Current Events > "corporate anti-union propaganda indistinguishable from parody"

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https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1376712943073656836

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lmao

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Imagine acting in something like this/being forced to act in something like this

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mehmeh1 posted...

Imagine acting in something like this/being forced to act in something like this

the funny part being that actors are in a union.

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That was really bad lmao
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This needs an oblivion npc edit

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big after school special energy

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gunplagirl posted...

This needs an oblivion npc edit

Do it, if you know how


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OK, so as someone who works at Home Depot, we have a similar (but not nearly as well produced) training video that is "anti-union". I can also admit that we also, maybe obviously, have African American actors in our training videos as well.

As someone who sees both points of view from both sides, I have a hard time sympathizing for union control of retail jobs. If you accept a minimum wage job loading trucks or whatever, it's your own damn fault.

Electricians, plumbers, HVAC, manufacturing, etc...is a different story. I can see the need for unions in those fields. Skilled jobs need an organization that helps train and market your talent in addition to standing up to management that might be trying to skirt safety protocols to increase productivity.

kelemvor posted...

Skilled jobs need an organization that helps train and market your talent in addition to standing up to management that might be trying to skirt safety protocols to increase productivity.

And you don't think retail jobs do that too?

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kelemvor posted...

OK, so as someone who works at Home Depot, we have a similar (but not nearly as well produced) training video that is "anti-union". I can also admit that we also, maybe obviously, have African American actors in our training videos as well.

As someone who sees both points of view from both sides, I have a hard time sympathizing for union control of retail jobs. If you accept a minimum wage job loading trucks or whatever, it's your own damn fault.

Electricians, plumbers, HVAC, manufacturing, etc...is a different story. I can see the need for unions in those fields. Skilled jobs need an organization that helps train and market your talent in addition to standing up to management that might be trying to skirt safety protocols to increase productivity.

So fuck retail and other service workers and let their management skirt safety protocols?

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kelemvor posted...

Electricians, plumbers, HVAC, manufacturing, etc...is a different story. I can see the need for unions in those fields. Skilled jobs need an organization that helps train and market your talent in addition to standing up to management that might be trying to skirt safety protocols to increase productivity.

Wtf? Unions were made for unskilled labor in the first place.

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Why is it always ? Block accounts
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I remember the one from Target being equally as hilarious. There was a whole weird large segment about how some lady wanted to take a day off for her kid's recital but the union wouldn't let the manager change a schedule. Somehow a manager that wasn't encumbered by a union was your friend and just gave you the day off.

Anyone that's been in a union knows you can just call off and they can't do shit. Anyone not in a union knows your boss will tell you to fuck off and find someone to cover your shift if you didn't put in a time off request before the schedule was made.

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VipaGTS posted...

And you don't think retail jobs do that too?

Lol. Being a Teamster guy unloading a rail car full of grain is a little different than stocking a shelf at Whole Foods.

Theres literally no reason to be against unions unless you are a mega millionaire business owner, which is nobody you associate with irl

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Theres literally no reason to be against unions unless you are a mega millionaire business owner, which is nobody you associate with irl

Except for the fact that many non Union jobs pay more since you arent paying Union dues. Would you rather have a $15/hr Wal-Mart job or a $12/hr union job that gave you more 'reprensentation'.

Bio1590 posted...

Why is it always ? Block accounts

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kelemvor posted...

Except for the fact that many non Union jobs pay more since you arent paying Union dues. Would you rather have a $15/hr Wal-Mart job or a $12/hr union job that gave you more 'reprensentation'.

The union job because it'd be more secure and I'd get better benefits lol

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It's funny how it ends with the line: "but I sure got fooled".

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I love how she corrected herself when she accidently said "employees".

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kelemvor posted...

Except for the fact that many non Union jobs pay more since you arent paying Union dues. Would you rather have a $15/hr Wal-Mart job or a $12/hr union job that gave you more 'reprensentation'.

More benefits, being treated like a human, more stable job, and an organisation with teeth that will stick up for you is worth the 3 dollars you are allegedly losing

Kloe_Rinz posted...

More benefits, being treated like a human, more stable job, and an organisation with teeth that will stick up for you is worth the 3 dollars you are allegedly losing

That figure isnt even accurate, $3/hr less would amount to $1440 in union dues, which is way more than I've ever heard of. Since they brought up teamsters:

https://www.teamsters665.org/dues/

At a 2.5x hourly pay for your monthly union dues, you'd need to be making $48/hr to be paying $1440.

That dude is blowing smoke up our asses.

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kelemvor posted...

Would you rather have a $15/hr Wal-Mart job or a $12/hr union job that gave you more 'reprensentation'.

12 bucks with more protection, easily.

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You can't openly state "we're moving to Mexico if a union happens", so you have to do stupid skits like this instead.

When actual corporate propaganda videos start sounding like the satirical shit you'd read on a Fallout terminal

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kelemvor posted...

As someone who sees both points of view from both sides, I have a hard time sympathizing for union control of retail jobs. If you accept a minimum wage job loading trucks or whatever, it's your own damn fault.

This is a very silly opinion. You are a very silly person.

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Unionizing will increase your wage

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Employees always talk about unions in groups in the middle if the store.
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The irony is those actors probably in an actor union as the act like people who left unions.

@kelemvor posted...

If you accept a minimum wage job loading trucks or whatever, it's your own damn fault.

It is your own fault those jobs are in demand but employers refuse to pay them competitive wages??

Are there any corporate videos that aren't indistinguishable from parody?

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pegusus123456 posted...

Are there any corporate videos that aren't indistinguishable from parody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqRjvi4qTs

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqRjvi4qTs

was not expecting eldritch horrors

WingsOfGood posted...

was not expecting eldritch horrors

Why was the black dude having an entirely confused, possibly judgemental face on after the white dude said he was previously in a union, when the black dude himself had just said he was previously in a union?

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pegusus123456 posted...

Are there any corporate videos that aren't indistinguishable from parody?

Tru

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I love that they keep cutting back to the black dude silently mugging like the buddy from Samurai Cop

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Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqRjvi4qTs

Great, there's tonight's nightmare fuel.

kelemvor posted...

Except for the fact that many non Union jobs pay more since you arent paying Union dues. Would you rather have a $15/hr Wal-Mart job or a $12/hr union job that gave you more 'reprensentation'.

The second one, obviously. Theres such a thing as being penny wise and pound foolish.

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In my last job, I spent 6 years working as a Teamster. Teamsters are a corrupt ass garbage organization that will blow a lot of smoke up your ass and just generally be terrible. Jimmy Hoffa is a terrible human being who belongs up n a jail cell.

That being said, they were still way better than the company I worked for and still did some good while my company was the moustache twirling villain. Neither side was really "good," but it was obvious I was much better off with a union than without.

So yeah a terrible union is much better than the average corporation. Still, the union sucks.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Jimmy Hoffa is a terrible human being who belongs up n a jail cell.

... Where do you think Jimmy Hoffa is?

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ultimate reaver posted...

I love that they keep cutting back to the black dude silently mugging like the buddy from Samurai Cop

Kinda sick how they're going back to the OG tactics of union busting here: pitting minorities against the white unions workers.

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I also want to point out that my union dues were like around $50/month. Even for full time delivery drivers making just under $40/hr their union dues were just over $100/month.

This dude comparing $12/hr with a union to $15/hr without a union is straw manning hard and everyone should still pick the $12/hr with a union.

I also worked a similar job that didn't have a union. I did make $2/hr more, but the benefits at the union job were worth a lot more than $2/hr.

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MhkaCHemistry posted...

... Where do you think Jimmy Hoffa is?

I should've said Jimmy Hoffa Jr who last I checked was the president of Teamsters

I know his dad was "allegedly" murdered a very long time ago

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At least in Australia, union dues are tax deductible. You pay your dues, and you get some of it back in tax.

Those dues pay for lawyers and union training. If you're unlawfully fired, you can get legal representation from the union for less than you'd be paying for a lawyer out of pocket - and a union lawyer is an expert when it comes to work and trade law, so you're being taken care of. Union training goes towards informing union members of their rights, keeping them updated about any changes to the law or any agreements between the union and the business, and union delegates can take the opportunity to ask higher members of the organisation about different conflicts and issues that might be occurring at their store.

You don't deserve to be treated like trash for getting an "unskilled" job. You should be getting overtime and vacation days, and there should be legal recourse for a business who skirts OSHA laws and labor laws to make more money off of you without compensating you fairly.

The argument against unionisation and fair work practices I've seen from CE is that companies will just take jobs out of America and give them to nations with laxer labor laws - as if that's an indictment of workers seeking fair treatment, and not the organisations who squeeze the most work out of working class people for the least amount of money. You have no sympathy for someone who has a job unloading trucks? You probably would if you had family members who worked jobs like that. If you saw the way that blue-collar laborers are treated for work that directly keeps these organisations in business to begin with.

Whether it's a janitor who needs a new broom because the one they use is 20 years old and hurts their back to use, or a warehouse worker who lifts hundreds of pounds of stock a day for minimum wage and no benefits, all workers should have an organisation looking out for their best interests. They should have a third party to go to about how they're treated in the workplace, who'll be able to take an objective look at the facts and see if a company has been skirting labor laws, and who'll look out for the workers who may have been exploited in that way. Companies like to pretend they're these big bullies who sue over nothing and keep incompetent rubes in positions of power - when their main function is to look at the law, get the worker's side of the story, and if they've been treated unfairly under the law - working overtime with no overtime pay, forced to use unergonomic equipment for months on end etc. They then get in contact with the business on behalf of that worker to bring any law violations to light - if there are any to begin with - and to achieve a fair outcome for everyone involved. If a company is within the boundaries of the law, they have nothing to worry about - there's a dialogue, the business and union go over their agreement and get to the bottom of things, and there may be a token of goodwill provided as a means of reconciliation at most if there's nothing legally wrong with the situation. A union only gets involved when the legality of how they treat their workers is in question, and their power extends as far as labor laws do.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I should've said Jimmy Hoffa Jr who last I checked was the president of Teamsters

I know his dad was "allegedly" murdered a very long time ago

Your usage of quotation marks is weird and makes you come off as a conspiracy nutterbutter.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Your usage of quotation marks is weird and makes you come off as a conspiracy nutterbutter.

Uh what?

The guy went missing a long time ago and people are fairly sure he was murdered by gangsters and they destroyed any evidence including the body obviously.

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So it's like pro-union propaganda, eh?

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