Current Events > the George Floyd trial starts today

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EricDraven59 posted...

I don't care about the MPD policies and procedures book. If my job had a policy that said every time I finish a project, that I take my gun and shoot my neighbor in the head... If I followed that policy then I'm still guilty of murder for shooting my neighbor. I feel like the policy part is relevant more to the family suing the city of Minneapolis.

Likewise I don't really care much about training. I can be trained how to kill people, but if I kill somebody I'm still guilty of murder.

For me, especially this specific case where it's just Chauvin... It's a very simple thing. They restrained somebody prone who was having obvious signs of some kind of mental break.

First

Trying to put him in the car and him telling you he's terrified and claustrophobic.

Fine, you're clearly suffering some kind of panic situation. We'll call an ambulance and you can sit on the wall outside the car for a while. Talk to him like a human being, empathize with him, de-escalate and calm the situation. If you calm down enough to get in the car, then fine, if not then we'll have the EMT's look you over. We can deal with the arrest part after your mental state is clearer.

Second

Fine, instead of treating him like a human being with feelings, you try to FORCE him in the car. He freaks out and you take him to the ground.

Again, getting him up, and walking him over to sit up against the wall... it's right there and a perfectly good option. Good to go. Known good. Talk to him like a human being in a bad situation. Try to calm him down.

a lot of police seem to have a huge issue with de-escalation
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I think the focus of the MPD policies and procedures is to drive home the fact that what Chauvin did was not an approved tactic for use of force.

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CableZL posted...

I think the focus of the MPD policies and procedures is to drive home the fact that what Chauvin did was not an approved tactic for use of force.

The Chief of Police even came out and said that.
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This really sucks. If chauvin gets acquitted of all charges due to drugs being involved it will be terrible. I wish there was nothing about drugs at all, then the defense would have nothing at all to stand on. I still dont think floyd died of a drug overdose though. Therr is so much talk about the position he was kept in being a bad position which could cause asphyxia. Plus having chauvin on his neck for 9 minutes and the other 2 officers pushing down their weight on him would make anyone not able to breathe

EricDraven59 posted...

they got chauvin. No way he is aquitted of all charges

I think you're massively underestimating the stupidity and cop chugging bias of your average American juror.

He's going to walk, MN does not convict white cops.

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EricDraven59 posted...

This really sucks. If chauvin gets acquitted of all charges due to drugs being involved it will be terrible. I wish there was nothing about drugs at all, then the defense would have nothing at all to stand on. I still dont think floyd died of a drug overdose though. Therr is so much talk about the position he was kept in being a bad position which could cause asphyxia. Plus having chauvin on his neck for 9 minutes and the other 2 officers pushing down their weight on him would make anyone not able to breathe

He'll walk.

The piece of shit that shot Philando Castille 9 times in front of his family for absolutely no reason in MN walked simply because Philando had marijuana in his system.

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he needs to get jail regardless if its proven or not

the peaceful protests that would come after him walking would be terrible for the city
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MrMegaPhoenix posted...

he needs to get jail regardless if its proven or not

the peaceful protests that would come after him walking would be terrible for the city

He'll be a lot safer from the general public in jail.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

He'll be a lot safer from the general public in jail.

yeah that too.

if he walks, he needs to run and hide somewhere immediately. probably change his identity and stuff too
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If he walks, cities will burn.

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They are saying in the video says " i ate too many drugs" but its not 100% clear, it could have also been "i ain't on any drugs". I can't believe the jury could fall for such a thing :( chauvin can't be acquitted of all charges. The entire city will burn down, chauvin will probably be killed. And even some jurors could be killed once their identities are revealed. There is just so many angry people out there, some who don't care about their lives anymore and would attempt such acts

EricDraven59 posted...

They are saying in the video says " i ate too many drugs" but its not 100% clear, it could have also been "i ain't on any drugs". I can't believe the jury could fall for such a thing :( chauvin can't be acquitted of all charges. The entire city will burn down, chauvin will probably be killed. And even some jurors could be killed once their identities are revealed. There is just so many angry people out there, some who don't care about their lives anymore and would attempt such acts

It won't stop there. Politicians, cops, and judges will be targeted. Shit is going to get way worse before it gets better, and there will be blood in the streets :/

Im glad the witness was brought back in to give his opinion on what floyd said now that he seen the full clip, and now the witness thinks he said "i aint do any drugs". So thats 2 witnesses who said they didn't hear him say i ate too many drugs

Yea the defense tried to make people think he said I ate too many drugs but I don't think thats what he said

It's a common trick to influence people with audio clips like that. You can tell people it is saying a certain thing and people will start to hear that thing

EricDraven59 posted...

Im glad the witness was brought back in to give his opinion on what floyd said now that he seen the full clip, and now the witness thinks he said "i aint do any drugs". So thats 2 witnesses who said they didn't hear him say i ate too many drugs

Floyd admitted to having Covid from the full police footage. And he came up as positive on the police report's autopsy report (I don't believe the autopsy report was discussed in court yet).

I'm inclined to believe Floyd was being truthful in that audio there.

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Sad_Face posted...

Floyd admitted to having Covid from the full police footage. And he came up as positive on the police report's autopsy report (I don't believe the autopsy report was discussed in court yet).

I'm inclined to believe Floyd was being truthful in that audio there.

Are you trying to say why would he lie about being on drugs but be truthful about having COVID


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Wonder how many people are going to get suspended today here?

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George had a lethal amount of Fetanyl in his body, not defending Chauvin tho, I still think he should be served jail time

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This respiratory expert is really damning to chauvin defense. Dont know what cross examination will be from Nelson but the prosecution is getting really great info from the respiratory person

This pulmonology expert is pretty sure that George Floyd died as a result of a low level of oxygen as a result of his positioning on the ground, handcuffs, and the officers' positioning on his body.

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Is this the last day?

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Teneritas posted...

Is this the last day?

I doubt it. They need more medical experts to come in. Probably someone will discuss the autopsy too

Teneritas posted...

Is this the last day?

Probably not

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The defense still has to call in all of their witnesses, dont they?

Probably another week or two to go

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Oh boy, this stuff is stressful. Another week or more of this... it feels like the tension is just getting higher and higher.

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oh damn, the idea that Floyd was reduced to using his knuckles to push off the tire of the police car in attempt to push up the right side of his body just to breathe...

Wow

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This guys explanations make me sad. Definitely now it's for sure george floyd couldn't breathe when yelling it. I pray testimony like this buried chauvin

This guy is dropping valuable knowledge

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This testimony pisses me off so much. I knew George floyd was in a lot of pain but these descriptions make it seem like he was being tortured for those 10 minutes. Really how can the jury let chauvin walk free when such details like this are in front of their faces?

I'm so glad I caught this testimony.

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Between this and all the other officers testifying against Chauvin, Im started to feel a little more like he might actually get convicted.

Got worried when the defense pulled that leading the witness bullshit yesterday but now I see that as more of an act of desperation because they think their case is totally fucked.

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If I had the time, I would love to have this guy as a professor of some kind of pulmonology or physiology class.


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EricDraven59 posted...

This testimony pisses me off so much. I knew George floyd was in a lot of pain but these descriptions make it seem like he was being tortured for those 10 minutes. Really how can the jury let chauvin walk free when such details like this are in front of their faces?

i dont know shit, but don't they have to prove the cop knew he was in pain, not just that he was in pain?

yeah i know "should be obvious", but things like flippant remarks or "i hear you but i dont care" would help more to convict him imo
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@littlebro07 I wonder what Nelson will try to cross with this testimony. I mean what can he come up with now that would be anything significant and not just grasping at straws?

MrMegaPhoenix posted...

i dont know shit, but don't they have to prove the cop knew he was in pain, not just that he was in pain?

yeah i know "should be obvious", but things like flippant remarks or "i hear you but i dont care" would help more to convict him imo

From what I've heard about Minnesota law, they have to prove that Chauvin's actions were a substantial contributor to his death in that incident.

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CableZL posted...

From what I've heard about Minnesota law, they have to prove that Chauvin's actions were a substantial contributor to his death in that incident.

yeah, so that should count. floyd being in pain isnt as important to prove as chauvin continuing his actions while knowing he was in pain as that would suggest a high contributor to (at least) further pain and that includes death
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I've learned so much just in the past couple hours just from this guy's testimony

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So Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for over 4 minutes after he suffered a brain injury

Man...

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CableZL posted...

I've learned so much just in the past couple hours just from this guy's testimony

Cant watch at the moment. Summary?

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Zano posted...

Cant watch at the moment. Summary?

He explained in GREAT detail how being in the prone position reduced oxygen reserves and lung volume and how the knee made it even worse. Also how there were signs where George was trying to breathe through his fingers and shoulders due to exhausting his oxygen reserves. IE lifting his right shoulder up. His left lung was basically as good as not there at all due to the position he was in and all of the weight on his body. There were moments where Chauvin's foot was off the ground implying full force on George's neck. Which is half Chauvin's body weight plus all of his gear. Also, whether his knee was on George's neck versus his back didn't matter much at all. The effects are the same.

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Also a great point - "If you can speak, you can breathe" is a terrible mantra because it doesn't mean you can breathe adequately, nor does it mean you can breathe afterward.

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Holy shit... to now understand the exact moment George Floyd experienced a fatal brain injury due to a lack of oxygen to the brain

I really hope Chauvin gets convicted

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I am really curious to see how the defense attorney will cross-examine this.

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IMO, Dr. Martin Tobin is absolutely the star of this trial.

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CableZL posted...

IMO, Dr. Martin Tobin is absolutely the star of this trial.

He is extremely detailed and precise. I cannot see how the defense can counter this.

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Holy shit, did he just establish that George Floyd's breathing rate was normal and therefore his difficulty breathing wasn't due to Fentanyl

Holy shit

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God damn the carbon dioxide levels should seal the fucking deal IDK how you can argue against that

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Carbion dioxide level was at 89 in the emergency room
Normal is 35 - 45

Holy shit, man

This guy is amazing

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Chauvin must be locked up!

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The defense is like "wtf what do we do now"

Edit: "Quick go to lunch!"

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