Board 8 > whats happening with the pokemon tcg (and other tcgs) is making me sad [sadfaqs]

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 6:38:47 PM
#52:


Yup. Go ahead and pm me or message me on discord. I will do some due diligence on it and walk you through what I think is a fair price. First glance I see quite a few on ebay all over the place and even the low end is an absurd number haha.

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StealThisSheen
03/25/21 6:41:37 PM
#53:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Don't sell on ebay. I will match average ebay prices and not chunk you on fees lol. Also I will buy all of them, evenvthe ones that don't sell for a lot by themselves. I collect binders.

Good to know. As soon as I get a chance to see what all is there, I'll reach out.

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03/25/21 7:42:32 PM
#54:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Ehh I disagree with a lot of what you are saying, mostly be a lot of the youtubers fucking love pokemon. Logan Paul is awesome, the interest in pokemon is awesome.

Now what is not awesome is the bot issue, which is independent of what most of what you said. Nintendo imo did their duty in 2021 so far. They are printing heavy. People who are trying to sell the most recent set, battle styles, above msrp are mostly failing. Covid didn't help for a few previous sets. Shining fates was brutally scalped, everyone knows it, and it has nothing to do with youtube. Scalpers are assholes.

There may be youtubers who don't care about pokemon but one Logan Paul stream told me that man is not one of them. Dude loves pokemon

There were always scalpers but it has not been this bad until he made his video. Darkness Ablaze was fine, about the normal amount of scalping and people could still get cardss. Vivid Voltage, nothing was in stock anywhere.

If Logan Paul loved pokemon, he would see how he has contributed to this, but he thinks the TCG is in a better state now, he is completely unaware of what's happening. Logan Paul loves money, pokemon cards is money to him.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 7:50:16 PM
#55:


No, hard disagree. Giving a spotlight to something is going to bring assholes. You are kind of just projecting things onto him tbh. Part of the problem was the timing because covid made it very hard for nintendo to meet demand. It is why vivid has a markup. All 2020 sets have a markup. But I can get most battle styles for msrp or a tiny bit above. Problem was heavily on Nintendo side. If you look at the pandemic and when darkness ablaze released everything starts to make more sense tbh. But yeah Paul for sure spotlighted it but laying blame for scalpers just isn't reality at all.

Like most of what Paul did was spike the vintage market. Like yeah modern is a bit scalped and shining fates a stupid amount, but vintage went up like 500% and it has nothing to do with scalping.

Not trying to say dude doesn't like money but I I watched his videos, and dude loves pokemon. To say otherwise is just saying to be cynical.

Vintage pokemon is in a fun place as a collector if you were already in it. Modern should be fixed soon outside a couple of sets.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 7:56:52 PM
#56:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Not trying to say dude doesn't like money but I I watched his videos, and dude loves pokemon. To say otherwise is just saying to be cynical.
Actors acting? Balderdash!

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 7:58:45 PM
#57:


I have noticed a lot of people like to just try to slam people for no real reason. Like, if you are an actual collector of Pokemon you like Logan Paul. Because he has made your collection worth a lot more. People who say he 'ruined it' are people who don't collect, who have FOMO that they lost their collection or didn't keep it in good shape, who wish they had.

Like 'oh darn, my charizard is now worth five times what it was over night, damn you Logan Paul!'

Also Nick have you even watched the videos or are you just posting to post?

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:06:08 PM
#58:


I have better things to do with my time than watch streamers and youtubers. I was merely pointing out that its silly to say you watched a video and then say the character that personality is portraying is 100% legit. Actors act. He has a persona to maintain, maybe it is legit, but to say its for sure is naive.

Scalpers are shit, but they have always existed. Supply and demand etc. If you don't like the huge increased price, don't buy, if everyone doesn't buy they move onto the next thing. Remember when Beanie Babies were thousands of dollars? Or Amiibo for hundreds. Hell whatever NBA Top Shot is seems insane right now, like guaranteed money if you can get a pack, and also if they actually let you cash out which I have heard is an issue. Markets change, move, collapse, etc. Sucks when its the thing you want, but it is what it is.

Also like Chris said, if you are really devoted you can find stuff at MSRP. Easier if you don't have other stuff going on or if you have made it your job, but it is possible. I got every Amiibo at launch even when the fad was huge and only a few paid over MSRP. Just be vigilant, or just wait.

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03/25/21 8:06:24 PM
#59:


Except he did not spotlight pokemon themselves. He only spotlighted the high value worth of the cards. And again, he thinks the pokemon tcg has been better since he showed it off. Better with crying kids.

Whether or not you like Logan Paul does not change the effect he has had on the state of the TCG.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:07:11 PM
#60:


I have a first edition Charizard somewhere in a box in a binder. Actually probably most of the original series of cards I think? Not sure if all first edition.

*checks eBay* oh my perhaps I should find that box

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:08:10 PM
#61:


GTM posted...
Except he did not spotlight pokemon themselves. He only spotlighted the high value worth of the cards. And again, he thinks the pokemon tcg has been better since he showed it off. Better with crying kids.

Whether or not you like Logan Paul does not change the effect he has had on the state of the TCG.
People make excuses for people they like. See the GameGrumps stuff recently.

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03/25/21 8:08:20 PM
#62:


> If you don't like the huge increased price, don't buy, if everyone doesn't buy they move onto the next thing.

Yeah, really that's all people can do at the moment, just being patient till the fad dies down.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:09:21 PM
#63:


yeah i mean if the community got together (good luck with that) you can screw the scalpers and they get stuck with all this worthless stock.

Scalpers play a dangerous game

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:09:23 PM
#64:


Well yeah but to post generalizations is just kind of fake wisdom, you know? True he can fake it. Non-actors can fake stuff. But also I am not exactly a casual - like I am not the biggest expert but this is my entire business world for the past three years now, and I am heavily involved with 'Poketube' stuff and I see people who are in it purely for the money a lot. No doubt he is savvy enough to know this would make him a lot of money but also clearly he loves what he is doing to me. Same thing for me. Pokemon is about a business for me, but I love it. Dude screams Chansey like only a true idiot can lmao.

Also the problem though right now is scalpers like... are botting heavily in some of the stuff. They did Shining Fates dirty. Like... real dirty. But now that nintendo can print more scalpers are stuck with product. SF ETBs have gone from 150 pre-release to 80 lol. They will continue to drop.

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Xeybozn
03/25/21 8:09:26 PM
#65:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Like, if you are an actual collector of Pokemon you like Logan Paul. Because he has made your collection worth a lot more.

If you're an actual collector, why would you care about the value of your collection going up? A collector is isn't looking to sell their cards. Meanwhile, it's not much more expensive to get any cards you don't have already.
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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:10:33 PM
#66:


GTM posted...
Except he did not spotlight pokemon themselves. He only spotlighted the high value worth of the cards. And again, he thinks the pokemon tcg has been better since he showed it off. Better with crying kids.

Whether or not you like Logan Paul does not change the effect he has had on the state of the TCG.

In general it is. The interest is sky high. If scalpers couldn't bot we'd be in a good spot. Also highlighting the crazy cost is super fun.

Again, you just come off as sour grapes here.

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03/25/21 8:10:57 PM
#67:


I agree that collectors would like the price going up. People like the value of their stuff going up even if they never plan to sell them.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:11:31 PM
#68:


Xeybozn posted...
If you're an actual collector, why would you care about the value of your collection going up? A collector is isn't looking to sell their cards. Meanwhile, it's not much more expensive to get any cards you don't have already.
Ehhh as a collector of things over the years that I had no intention of selling I did enjoy pulling a valuable card for some reason.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:11:32 PM
#69:


Xeybozn posted...
If you're an actual collector, why would you care about the value of your collection going up? A collector is isn't looking to sell their cards. Meanwhile, it's not much more expensive to get any cards you don't have already.

Trades. I can now trade my extras for more of modern stuff and diversify.

Also please don't try to purity test, it's super cringe and gross. Anyone who collects anything likes it when it goes up in value.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:12:16 PM
#70:


Personally I am trying to save up to justify purchasing an aquapolis booster box :O

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:12:30 PM
#71:


also yeah bot anything is awful, a scalper that actually does the work, is at least working for it

botting the stuff is lame, smart but lame

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:14:03 PM
#72:


like in FFXI, you hated every Gil Farmer, but the ones that botted were worse. A player that legit beat me to it, doing it on their own just wanted it more or had better luck or whatever.

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Metal_DK
03/25/21 8:14:27 PM
#73:


Social media ruins everything

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03/25/21 8:15:04 PM
#74:


It just sounds like we have different criteria on the state of the Pokemon TCG. From a financial point of view, yes, interest has grown. From a Pokemon point of view, it's been hurting seeing your game fall, people leaving the game, etc.

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red13n
03/25/21 8:16:47 PM
#75:


Whiskey_Nick posted...
also yeah bot anything is awful, a scalper that actually does the work, is at least working for it

botting the stuff is lame, smart but lame

As someone that lives in an area where lots of people make a living doing this. It is not any better with physical queues. They just hire people to stand in line and prevent people that want stuff from being able to get it. Scalper economy is horrible regardless of bots or not. Many essentially employ child labor as well.

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03/25/21 8:16:55 PM
#76:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Again, you just come off as sour grapes here.

yeah probably! but why not both

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:17:03 PM
#77:


Well not exactly. I just think we can agree that the botting scalpers are fucking horrible. You seem to want to place the blame on Paul, I choose to blame the people who go to extreme lengths to be shitty.

Most of my ecosystem is the collecting side I will grant you, so I deal heavily in vintage although I bunch a crap ton of hidden fates (my favorite set of the last 10 years) and opened all of it.

I am just saying in reality Paul effected the vintage side much more. COVID and a little nudge from Paul sent modern spiraling but it is recovering now.

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03/25/21 8:17:44 PM
#78:


I dont blame Paul alone, not. Lots of things contributes to things. Paul is one of them.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:18:00 PM
#79:


seriously though Chris, as it seems to be your thing, look into NBA Top Shot if you haven't. It is obscene. Guy on a sports show I watch opened a pack that cost him $230 and he got a $5000 card and a $800 card. It makes no sense to me but people are cleaning up on it.

Just issues with cashing out I am told.

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03/25/21 8:18:16 PM
#80:


> a little nudge from Paul sent modern spiraling

yup.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:18:40 PM
#81:


red13n posted...
As someone that lives in an area where lots of people make a living doing this. It is not any better with physical queues. They just hire people to stand in line and prevent people that want stuff from being able to get it. Scalper economy is horrible regardless of bots or not. Many essentially employ child labor as well.
I would consider that botting tbh

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Blue-G
03/25/21 8:20:09 PM
#82:


Can't decide if I should unload my collection or hold onto it, sold a few thousand worth when things started going crazy but hate dealing with ebay so kind of faded out on it.

Have full base, close to full 1st ed Fossil, probably close to full 1st ed Team Rocket, and some others thrown in.

But yeah, even though the value has gone way up (even some old sealed Magic I have seems to have skyrocketed this last year) I can't say I'm happy about the current state of tcgs. I'd much rather be able to complete the old sets for sane amounts of money than have my old cards be worth a small fortune. If you're making a living off of it I can see why you like the guy.

Like I was looking into buying vintage Digimon for the nostalgia of it and even those are crazy now and those didn't seem like they were ever worth anything. If this keeps up my Eye of Judgement collection will even be worth something some day lol.
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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:20:14 PM
#83:


Whiskey_Nick posted...
seriously though Chris, as it seems to be your thing, look into NBA Top Shot if you haven't. It is obscene. Guy on a sports show I watch opened a pack that cost him $230 and he got a $5000 card and a $800 card. It makes no sense to me but people are cleaning up on it.

Just issues with cashing out I am told.

God honestly I am so busy with Pokemon alone, it is hard for me to imagine going into another field. I have heard about that and it seems interesting but it actually requires a fair bit of knowledge and expertise to work Pokemon like I do. Most of my profit comes from trading stuff and then having it graded or, because of Paul, buying huge binders and suddenly them being worth 5-10x <_<

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:20:24 PM
#84:




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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:20:58 PM
#85:


Blue-G posted...
Can't decide if I should unload my collection or hold onto it, sold a few thousand worth when things started going crazy but hate dealing with ebay so kind of faded out on it.

Have full base, close to full 1st ed Fossil, probably close to full 1st ed Team Rocket, and some others thrown in.

But yeah, even though the value has gone way up (even some old sealed Magic I have seems to have skyrocketed this last year) I can't say I'm happy about the current state of tcgs. I'd much rather be able to complete the old sets for sane amounts of money than have my old cards be worth a small fortune. But yeah, if you're making a living off of it I can see why you like the guy.

Like I was looking into buying vintage Digimon for the nostalgia of it and even those are crazy now and those didn't seem like they were ever worth anything. If this keeps up my Eye of Judgement collection will even be worth something some day lol.

Will buy all of that for a reasonable price btw. If you ever want to talk shop.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:21:18 PM
#86:


Whiskey_Nick posted...

yeah but what's the highest offer?

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:22:59 PM
#87:


Just subscribe to it Chris, when it says a pack is dropping, queue up and pray. Canadians can't cash out yet and I haven't had any luck on queues yet, they keep happening while I am at work, but I am legit intrigued by this thing, its all built in. The marketplace is on the same site they sell on. NBA are geniuses, they get 5% of each sale and the things are going for prices that make no sense to me at all.

You do need to own 3 moments to queue up. Just buy 3 cheap commons.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:23:56 PM
#88:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
yeah but what's the highest offer?



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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:24:08 PM
#89:


sold for 210k

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:24:45 PM
#90:


see, I dont have an interest in that so I am like 'yeah but it isnt fun'

I love Pokemon, so I'll keep doing that. Collecting Blastoises is nice

(I am basic)

I also dont know the rarity of these things and how they actually work, I need to do DD

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:24:58 PM
#91:


Now obv that is like, the highest one, but thats what makes it so interesting to me, the like.... more normal ones are 5000-10000 and the $200 packs have a guaranteed rare.

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Whiskey_Nick
03/25/21 8:25:46 PM
#92:


Oh yeah, fun is not the word, easy money until the market collapses is all I see, if you can get packs

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:27:01 PM
#93:


Also when there is a profit motive involved my first thought is something shady. Like what prevents the NBA from using a company it owns to buy and sell these at high prices to make it seem like there is demand?

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scarletspeed7
03/25/21 8:27:52 PM
#94:


Chris, stop telling the NBA how WWE would act.

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ffmasterjose
03/25/21 8:29:18 PM
#95:


I got back into collecting Pokemon cards at the start of 2020 and around the summertime I started to notice it become difficult to find cards in stores like Walmart and Meijers. Nowadays i.dont see anything in stores, even older sets that don't have a Charizard card.

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03/25/21 8:33:39 PM
#96:


hey you kids stop having fun I want this topic to be sad

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03/25/21 8:36:40 PM
#97:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
and dude loves pokemon. To say otherwise is just saying to be cynical.

admittedly I should've why not both'd this too and im sorry

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DoomTheGyarados
03/25/21 8:39:04 PM
#98:


Yeah it is for sure both tbf.

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Mr Lasastryke
03/25/21 8:42:13 PM
#99:


logan paul is one of the most disingenuous people on youtube. literally everything he does and says is for views.

haven't watched much of his pokmon stuff but i've seen plenty of his videos and podcast episodes so i feel like i have enough expertise to state this.

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LOLIAmAnAlt
03/25/21 8:42:42 PM
#100:


Basically this is the whole world now

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Blue-G
03/25/21 8:44:43 PM
#101:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Will buy all of that for a reasonable price btw. If you ever want to talk shop.

If I get them all typed up I'll send you a message.

And I'm sorry, is that 210k for a digital card? That makes the Pokemon card prices seem sane.
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