Current Events > Is America more racist than other countries?

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Like I don't get how America, despite being a melting pot and very diverse, seemingly has the reputation of being more racist than other more racially homogeneous countries.

Well I'm sure there are a few that are more racist. But yeah, I think we're pretty high up in that ranking right now.

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Yes

Look hate crime towards asian people in america getting higher each month
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not even close.
look up the eastern european countries.

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We're also the only country that is LEGIT multi-cultural and multi-ethnic, so that's something to be recognized. I consider it one of America's greatest strengths.

And the rest of the world is super racist as well btw; asian racism is alarming country to country, and European racism is so pervasive they have signs up at sporting events telling people not to be racist.

Here it's often 'well you don't like it but deal because people of other races are here and about' while in a homogeneous country it's like 'well they're the odd one out so get em'

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No.
The entirety of the Middle East, Africa, and China is definitely more racist/bigoted than us.

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Going off percentages? I would think that countries with higher populations have, statistically, likely more than America. America just likes to air their laundry in public more than anyone else.

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ShyOx posted...

We're also the only country that is LEGIT multi-cultural and multi-ethnic,

No.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

No.

I mean, like, name a few lol

South Africa MAYBE

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ShyOx posted...

I mean, like, name a few lol

South Africa MAYBE

canada is literally right above the usa

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ShineboxPhil posted...

canada is literally right above the usa

And it is less come here and assimilate or get out and much more come here and celebrate our cultural differences.

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It's a poorly studied subject. This is the only study I am aware of:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

The US would be relatively tolerant according to that, but it is derived from asking people things like how much would you want a neighbor of a different race. It's really hard to compare things like this.

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Go to Italy and ask most Italians what their opinion of Romani people is. After they are done telling you how much they despise gypsies, they will probably go into a rant about other races and ethnicities they despise.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/minority-groups/

Aki_Sora posted...

Yes

Look hate crime towards asian people in america getting higher each month

Have you seen the crime against asians in India? yikes

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Some countries, sure.

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I think it could just be a case of America confronting its racism more openly, or at least issues of racism have progressed to a level in America where now everyone is so focused on so many micro-aggressions.

Or maybe it's just that you only ever hear American news?

Maybe it's because you have such a diverse group of ethnicities who can all have a voice? For example, much of the UK might seem less racist to a white guy like me, but only because there's just not many black people at all. I can walk around edinburgh city for a week and see exactly 3 black people in total. So issues of racism towards black british people are not very vocal here.

*By here I specifically mean scotland. Very different story as soon as you cross the border.

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I think the US just gets it publicized or reported more.


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I think it depends on how you define it. But there's a strong case that America probably affected the most people with their racism. What with being the biggest superpower and all.

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scar the 1 posted...

I think it depends on how you define it. But there's a strong case that America probably affected the most people with their racism. What with being the biggest superpower and all.

Hell no

Super Power countries of the past where way worse.

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in the developed world USA is a top 3 racist country

ColdOne666 posted...

Hell no

Super Power countries of the past where way worse.

By what metric?

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it's hard to say what is the most racist country. Racism is everywhere including the most liberal cities. And may look more explicitly prevalent based on the state or city. it it's really not as bad the media makes it sound.

But America does a have a lot of history with racism since birth with genocide of native americans, slavery and indentured servitude, civil rights movement, post 9/11 and post covid-19

I don't think it's as bad as what ughyers in china are going through right now.

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A big issue in America is the racism in its justice system. Hardly something unique to America mind, but given that it isn't a massive majority white like many other western countries the problems are just that much more apparent.

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Nah, America is probably as racist as the most racist ones. Thankfully we aren't under a absolute dictatorship, so the victims of the racism may be able to rely on local law enforcement for help, well as long as they aren't entirely corrupt and in bed with the racists as well. Some parts of the US are okay while others are absolute hellholes and hotbeds for racism and bigotry. United States my ass. Still beats some third world countries for sure as far as quality of life is concerned though.

ShyOx posted...

We're also the only country that is LEGIT multi-cultural and multi-ethnic

lol

Oh, you poor little pixie...

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ShineboxPhil posted...

canada is literally right above the usa

Eh, Canadas a bit of a stretch. Sure, theyre a little less white, but mainly because theyve got a decent sized Asian community. Whats their black population, like 3 percent maybe?

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Eh, Canadas a bit of a stretch. Sure, theyre a little less white, but mainly because theyve got a decent sized Asian community. Whats their black population, like 3 percent maybe?

If we're "a little less white" how does that mean we are more racist than the US?

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Eh, Canadas a bit of a stretch. Sure, theyre a little less white, but mainly because theyve got a decent sized Asian community. Whats their black population, like 3 percent maybe?

Toronto has one of the largest Caribbean populations in north america. Especially areas like Scarborough and North York. Then you have a large Haitian community in Montreal

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I think America one of the least racist countries because theyve been checked numerous times for their racism. A lot of other countries are racist af and no one checks them for their bullshit so they dont even have any shame being racist.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

If we're "a little less white" how does that mean we are more racist than the US?

Devils in the details, sir.

I was not saying Canada isnt less racist than the US. I was cautioning that its not a significant gap, whether people want to admit that or not. Regardless, both countries are full of diversity and theyre a lot less racist than many other countries that practice racism practically by default.

@pinky0926 is right that the US just seems to be the worst to a lot of people, including many CEmen here, because its a nation that is scrutinized a lot by pretty much everyone else and there is at least some effort to push, albeit awkwardly and slowly, towards a more open future.

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You have to be extremely sheltered if you truly believe the US to be a top tier racist country in comparison to other regions.

Like, damn.

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Forever_Black posted...

I think America one of the least racist countries because theyve been checked numerous times for their racism.

And yet Biden keeps bombing muslims. That checking isn't working very well.
But hey, at least they abolished slavery right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_Penitentiary
But at least they stopped trying to install fascist regimes in Latin America right?

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Probably not. You literally have other countries doing racial genocides

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ShineboxPhil posted...

canada is literally right above the usa

Canada is literally like 75% white. They are literally right now fucking over their natives to build oil pipelines.

America hasn't been majority white in 20ish years.

Countries that don't have a perception of racism is because they are overwhelming white. Countries like France have anti Muslim laws. The nordic countries treat the few immigrants they allow terribly and pretty much segregate them.

Then of course you have china putting Uyghurs in concentration camps right now.

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scar the 1 posted...

And yet Biden keeps bombing muslims. That checking isn't working very well.
But hey, at least they abolished slavery right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_Penitentiary
But at least they stopped trying to install fascist regimes in Latin America right?

I never said there not racist but have you been around a lot of Asian, African or even European cultures...especially Eastern European? They have no shame at all. And bombing Muslims isnt racist. Wrong perhaps but not racist.


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Forever_Black posted...

And bombing Muslims isnt racist. Wrong perhaps but not racist.

Uh huh

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Devils in the details, sir.

I was not saying Canada isnt less racist than the US. I was cautioning that its not a significant gap, whether people want to admit that or not. Regardless, both countries are full of diversity and theyre a lot less racist than many other countries that practice racism practically by default.

@pinky0926 is right that the US just seems to be the worst to a lot of people, including many CEmen here, because its a nation that is scrutinized a lot by pretty much everyone else and there is at least some effort to push, albeit awkwardly and slowly, towards a more open future.

Fair enough, I misunderstood what you were saying.

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Forever_Black posted...

And bombing Muslims isnt racist. Wrong perhaps but not racist.

The first part of this is true, since Muslims can be any race and the US definitely bombs Muslims in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. However the wrong perhaps part is very concerning the way you phrased it. Isn't it definitely wrong?

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ssjevot posted...

The first part of this is true, since Muslims can be any race and the US definitely bombs Muslims in Africa, the Middle East and Asia

Well. I think we're both quite aware that imperialism and white supremacy are very closely related when it comes to the US bombing the global south

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scar the 1 posted...

Well. I think we're both quite aware that imperialism and white supremacy are very closely related when it comes to the US bombing the global south

Not really. The US picks geopolitical enemies and allies based on willingness to work with them. The greatest enemies of the US have been white until the recent emergence of former ally China as new enemy China (kind of like former ally Afghanistan, that's how geopolitics works) and many of their best allies aren't. It's very reductive to suggest the US geopolitics is "bomb brown people".

Just look at US intervention and support for the Saudi Arabia aligned countries like the UAE and Kuwait. If you're a Muslim country in their geopolitical sphere you get sold bombs and US troops will fight on your behalf.

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The U.S. was built on 400 years of the worlds most despicable slavery trade, and the slavery was racially based, and it happened not very long ago. So yeah, the U.S. is pretty uniquely racist on the scale of racism.

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ssjevot posted...

Not really. The US picks geopolitical enemies and allies based on willingness to work with them. The greatest enemies of the US have been white until the recent emergence of former ally China as new enemy China (kind of like former ally Afghanistan, that's how geopolitics works) and many of their best allies aren't. It's very reductive to suggest the US geopolitics is "bomb brown people".

Just look at US intervention and support for the Saudi Arabia aligned countries like the UAE and Kuwait. If you're a Muslim country in their geopolitical sphere you get sold bombs and US troops will fight on your behalf.

Well yeah, that's a good point. But I don't really think it disputes what I'm saying. Yes, the greatest enemy to the US before China was USSR, which could be considered white (I assume you're referring to the USSR?). But the war between the US and the USSR was rarely fought at the expense of white people, nor does it disprove the idea that the US is a white supremacist, imperialist state.

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scar the 1 posted...

But the war between the US and the USSR was rarely fought at the expense of white people, nor does it disprove the idea that the US is a white supremacist, imperialist state.

Come on now.

USA and USSR pissed each other off so much, they both travelled to space. If one could have wiped the other off the map, without repercussion, Im sure they would have. Historically, I dont think many white people had too many reservations about killing heaps of other white people, including members of their own nation.

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Shablagoo posted...

The U.S. was built on 400 years of the worlds most despicable slavery trade, and the slavery was racially based, and it happened not very long ago. So yeah, the U.S. is pretty uniquely racist on the scale of racism.

Which, we were still one of the first ones to outlaw slavery. Some northern states outlawed the practice before the Civil War. Speaking of which, we had a Civil War to DESTROY the concept of slavery. People died fighting for the rights of African Americans. Obviously, even after the war things were still quite horrible for former slaves and the families of former slaves, but it was a starting point. Unfortunately, racist pieces of crap like Andrew Johnson impeded any further progress at any chance he got.

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Not at all. Its just more openly discussed here. The fact that there is so much diversity means that more people have a voice too. Meanwhile, there are several other countries that are not nearly as diverse and their minorities face severe racism every day. Its just swept under the rug because the majority doesnt care. The media doesnt care because theyre small fish, not enough revenue to be made. Unlike here.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Come on now.

USA and USSR pissed each other off so much, they both travelled to space. If one could have wiped the other off the map, without repercussion, Im sure they would have. Historically, I dont think many white people had too many reservations about killing heaps of other white people, including members of their own nation.

Being a white supremacist state doesn't disqualify the US from wanting to also beat the competing superpower. Like, they can still be racist as heck while acknowledging that their biggest geopolitical threat is white. But come on. The rampant racial hatred of people like Truman, Nixon, etc is well documented, so it's not really a surprise when they engineer the deaths of hundreds of thousands or millions of people they consider subhuman. And it's perfectly in line with the white supremacy of their country.

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scar the 1 posted...

Well yeah, that's a good point. But I don't really think it disputes what I'm saying. Yes, the greatest enemy to the US before China was USSR, which could be considered white (I assume you're referring to the USSR?). But the war between the US and the USSR was rarely fought at the expense of white people, nor does it disprove the idea that the US is a white supremacist, imperialist state.

Yes the USSR. The US built Japan up specifically to oppose the USSR. Picked the Saudi led Muslim coalition to oppose the USSR friendly Iranian coalition (formerly a US backed puppet government). Picked sides in Africa, Latin America and Asia specifically based on who opposed the USSR, and was even willing to pick "communist" China over the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split (including support for the Khmer Rogue, what a massive yikes). Race was never a factor in any of that. Note that so many of those enemies and allies have flipped with the emergence of China, so now Vietnam is a US ally and of course the situation in Afghanistan of fighting people largely trained by the US. As well as the switch from former US friendly Pakistan to former USSR friendly India. Russia remains a geopolitical enemy despite the end of the USSR, but many former Soviet Republics switched to the US sphere. I actually am surprised you gave credit to a race based analysis of US foreign policy, instead of geopolitics to advance US interests both corporate and ideological. That's how all current imperial powers work. China is happy to ally with Muslims while oppressing them at home and is building African allies despite having a policy last year during the coronavirus of evicting Africans in China.

Even the Nazis allied with people of color to advance their goals while almost exclusively fighting white people, and that was an extreme race based ideology. Geopolitics is almost entirely the enemy of my enemy is my friend (the Nazis betrayed traditional ally China for Japan and supported Ethiopia against ally Italy, but I doubt they cared much for Japanese or Ethiopians).

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scar the 1 posted...

Being a white supremacist state doesn't disqualify the US from wanting to also beat the competing superpower. Like, they can still be racist as heck while acknowledging that their biggest geopolitical threat is white. But come on. The rampant racial hatred of people like Truman, Nixon, etc is well documented, so it's not really a surprise when they engineer the deaths of hundreds of thousands or millions of people they consider subhuman. And it's perfectly in line with the white supremacy of their country.

Read my previous post. I think it addresses this.

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Pre-MAGA or post-MAGA?

MAGA changed it all and were pretty high on the list now, but were far from the worst.

the thing that makes us odd is how racialized everything is. If a French man sees a French guy with olive skin and a French blonde gal in a date, he will think its a date.

if an American sees a guy with olive skin dating a blonde girl his thought will be interracial dating. I am not saying he thought positively or negatively, all I am saying is his mind went there.

in other countries the whole oh, these people are interracial though doesnt happen unless its a very obvious case (eg white and black or Asian and black), in the US pretty much light complexion with any darker complexion would be interracial.

if you look at celebrities this idea happens too. No one in Italy thinks Monica Belucci has dark hair and her complexion is not as light as a Germans, I wonder if she is ethnic? No, she is an Italian and white Italians can have darker hair and olive complexions too, they dont have to look like Chris Hemsworth to be considered white.

in the US people like Rashida Jones get asked wHaT iS uR eThNiCiTY? All the time. Heck, we were having a discussion here the other day about whether Anya Taylor joy is white or not.

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Shablagoo posted...

The U.S. was built on 400 years of the worlds most despicable slavery trade, and the slavery was racially based, and it happened not very long ago. So yeah, the U.S. is pretty uniquely racist on the scale of racism.

china is far worse, sorry man. How are those edited Star Wars posters going? You know the ones where the POC were taken out

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