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lolife67
02/26/21 5:58:54 PM
#51:


BLAKUboy posted...
All I can find is him saying they plan content 5 or 6 years out, which is separate from his comment on mutants where he just says they're coming with no reference whatsoever to a timeline.
I may have conflated the 2 statements. Either way, they don't seem to be building towards it currently.
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lolife67
02/26/21 6:02:37 PM
#52:


Stalolin posted...
After this episide I think I've figured out a little bit of Marvels' secret formula.

The Feige-ster is clever enough not to make things too convoluted. The MCU does get wacky, especially as the movies and shows go on because of the characters and magic and space stuff starts to come in to what used to be standard superhero fare, but: it doesn't get convoluted when you compare a lot of the theories out there about Mephisto, or the mutants/X-Men, or the multiverse, or Dr Strange or the Fantastic Four showing up. All of these things can and at some point probably will happen, but they keep their individuals stories, like the main plot of WandaVision, relatively simple for effective drama, and then just fill in the edges with all the Marvel flavour and easter eggs to keep fans happy and give themselves more to work with as they keep sprinkling things in.

I guess it seems obvious when I type it out, but I guess my point is people's theories, which I always enjoy reading, are usually not correct because it's almost always the more simple solution, while still keeping people happy with all the juicy tidbits, like reference the Nexus/Nexus beings for example.

It reminds me of the Russo brothers (I think) talking about how they almost put The Living Tribunal in Infinity War but decided against it because it would be too confusing for your average viewer. But because they put in things like certain Dr Strange spells, the infinity stones, and the re-appearance of characters like Red Skull, almost no one leaves unsatisfied even if they weren't correct about the Cosmic being becoming involved, or Mistress Death, or whatever other theories they had. Same with Civil War, which people had a lot of theories about.

Compsognathus posted...
The nice thing about vague references is that you can build on them later and look like forward thinking geniuses or drop them entirely and have them be just a bit of fanservice for the hard-core fans.

So long as you doing overdo it or get too obnoxious about it your great.
It's definitely a balancing act. And it's impressive they've been able to maintain it for so long, with no signs of slowing down.
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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 6:06:18 PM
#53:


slmcknett posted...
On a different note, I like how last episode ended with "Agatha All Along," and then this episode spent its entire time showing that, no, it still was Wanda behind everything lol. The Hex and all of this is still 100% her fault.

All Agatha did was cause some mildly inconvenient shenanigans around town in order to stress Wanda out.
The song was all about Agatha trying to mess up the Hex. It never once implied she started it.

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CableZL
02/26/21 6:12:58 PM
#54:


I'm thinking it was Wanda creating and manipulating the physical aspects of the world while Agatha was repressing people's thoughts, feelings, and personalities.

I need to re-watch episode 8 because I watched it while I was dead tired after work at 4am. Gonna do that now


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slmcknett
02/26/21 6:14:42 PM
#55:


That's not really my point, but the show had def given viewers enough cause to doubt whether the Hex was actually Wanda's doing or not.

Hence the outburst of "See! Wanda's not the villain! It was Agatha doing all of this" last Friday.

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CableZL
02/26/21 6:16:20 PM
#56:


slmcknett posted...
That's not really my point, but the show had def given viewers enough cause to doubt whether the Hex was actually Wanda's doing or not.

Hence the outburst of "See! Wanda's not the villain! It was Agatha doing all of this" last Friday.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear that the hex was Wanda's doing because she was the one manipulating the space itself and going in and out of it as she pleased.

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slmcknett
02/26/21 6:19:11 PM
#57:


CableZL posted...
Well, I thought it was pretty clear that the hex was Wanda's doing because she was the one manipulating the space itself and going in and out of it as she pleased.
Yeah, but the show did go out of its way to make you unsure, like making the Hex blue when Wanda's powers are always shown as red. The working theory for a while was that someone else made the Hex and Wanda simply took advantage of it. Revealing another witch and giving her a theme about how it was "her all along" didn't help matters.

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ZMythos
02/26/21 6:33:17 PM
#58:


OK but the Vision in the Hex is actually real. He's made of Vibranium that can be detected from the outside.

And it's shown that things that make it out stay transformed.

So she literally remade the Mind Stone then if he has all his powers.

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CableZL
02/26/21 6:35:05 PM
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I thought the questionable part was who was repressing people's personalities. Vision's coworker asked him to stop "her," but didn't specify who "she" was.

Also with Wanda insisting that she didn't summon Pietro to the door, I thought someone besides her was messing around with things within the hex even if Wanda created the space.

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CableZL
02/26/21 6:36:28 PM
#60:


ZMythos posted...
OK but the Vision in the Hex is actually real. He's made of Vibranium that can be detected from the outside.

And it's shown that things that make it out stay transformed.

So she literally remade the Mind Stone then if he has all his powers.
Yeah, my take on it is that Wanda is essentially manipulating the physical form of things to either make them as they were decades prior to present day or turning them into objects that would fit the time period inside the hex.

However, since Vision was actually recreated inside of the Hex and not just brought in, he can only exist within it. That's why his body was getting pulled back in piece by piece.

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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 6:40:00 PM
#61:


slmcknett posted...
Yeah, but the show did go out of its way to make you unsure, like making the Hex blue when Wanda's powers are always shown as red. The working theory for a while was that someone else made the Hex and Wanda simply took advantage of it. Revealing another witch and giving her a theme about how it was "her all along" didn't help matters.
Did it, though? The opening line of the song was "Who's been messing up everything?" and then the lyrics just go on about how Wanda can no longer "fix anything", while showing Agatha doing nothing but interfere with what the Hex had already done.
Just because people read the wrong thing into it doesn't mean it was the intention.

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ZMythos
02/26/21 6:40:37 PM
#62:


Also I didn't see Captain Marvel yet so idk if they were in that movie but who were the colorful group of people during the Marvel Studios Logo?

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dave_is_slick
02/26/21 6:48:07 PM
#63:


lolife67 posted...
Highly doubtful. Feige has already said mutants are at least 5 years away.
From having a movie. Nothing he said rules out confirming their existence.

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Xerun
02/26/21 6:56:24 PM
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I figured the song implied shed been trying to get her to use her powers and to make her and Vision fight rather than have the dream sitcom she wanted. She tricked Wanda into thinking it was an anniversary. She bewitched Herb, killed Sparky, made Fietro, and lies to Vision.

the song also shows her magicing herself into the Hex which already existed.

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slmcknett
02/26/21 6:57:53 PM
#65:


CableZL posted...
I thought the questionable part was who was repressing people's personalities. Vision's coworker asked him to stop "her," but didn't specify who "she" was.

Also with Wanda insisting that she didn't summon Pietro to the door, I thought someone besides her was messing around with things within the hex even if Wanda created the space.
I don't remember people making a distinction between the personality repression and the Hex in general, since they seemed to go hand-in-hand, but the coworker just saying "her" did add more doubt to whether it was actually Wanda behind the Hex. Especially since whenever somebody asked her how she was doing it, she genuinely looked like she had no idea.

Like, it all definitely adds up that Wanda created it and sustained it, but the previous episodes did make you wonder whether that was the case or not.

BLAKUboy posted...
Just because people read the wrong thing into it doesn't mean it was the intention.
True, but I'm saying that it was the intention.

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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 6:59:25 PM
#66:


Anyway, I'm going to go out on a limb that next week's episode is mostly going to be about setting up a "true" big bad for a season 2 to handle. Perhaps a being Wanda unknowingly drew power from (there was a weird swirling cloud of darkness surrounding her during the creation of the Hex, which isn't how her powers have been visualized up to now) to perform these feats she wasn't previously shown as capable of. Basically, don't go in expecting a ton more answers than we currently have.

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slmcknett
02/26/21 6:59:29 PM
#67:


Xerun posted...
I figured the song implied shed been trying to get her to use her powers and to make her and Vision fight
Yeah that was def what she was doing. Even before the song, it became more and more clear that every time she showed up, it was just to mess with Vision or cause friction between him and Wanda. Trying to get him to see what was actually going on.

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lilORANG
02/26/21 7:16:40 PM
#68:


Kinda pointless episode tbh. Lots of flashbacks to tell us something they revealed in episode 4? We know wanda created the hex bc she was sad. Idc that her dad is named Oleg
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What_
02/26/21 7:38:21 PM
#69:


Finale yea
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littlebro07
02/26/21 8:26:27 PM
#70:


Just watched it. Loved it, especially all the details about Wandas origins.

but when were they having a house built?

In Civil War it didnt seem like they were together yet, just flirting. Then they went into hiding, then Infinity War happened

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SquirtleSkwad
02/26/21 8:27:25 PM
#71:


Vision isn't fucked at all. She literally controls chaos magic. If she can make her kids real from nothing then Vision still stands.

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Medussa
02/26/21 8:28:54 PM
#72:


littlebro07 posted...
Just watched it. Loved it, especially all the details about Wandas origins.

but when were they having a house built?

In Civil War it didnt seem like they were together yet, just flirting. Then they went into hiding, then Infinity War happened

i think they bought an actual house. but in the years between, with both the owners presumably dead and the world falling apart, it was torn down.

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Xerun
02/26/21 9:27:57 PM
#73:


Medussa posted...
i think they bought an actual house. but in the years between, with both the owners presumably dead and the world falling apart, it was torn down.


my headcannon is that Vision bought it and when they met in Infinity War and sounded nervous asking Wanda Do you think this works? He was about to tell her he bought a house/ had snuck the deed into her car.

Then the events of Infinity War and Endgame happen. Wanda returns to her life and finds the deed and then the events play out like we saw.

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EnterTheTekken
02/26/21 9:38:11 PM
#74:


Is anyone gonna stay dead, post-Thanos?

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DarthAragorn
02/26/21 9:40:11 PM
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EnterTheTekken posted...
Is anyone gonna stay dead, post-Thanos?

Tony and Nat. Loki. Heimdall and most of Asgard.
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CyricZ
02/26/21 9:40:46 PM
#76:


DarthAragorn posted...
Loki.
Ehhhh *wobbles hand back and forth*

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Smashingpmkns
02/26/21 9:41:18 PM
#77:


DarthAragorn posted...
Loki

Doubt on this one.

Cap probably won't show back up though
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Tom Clark
02/26/21 9:42:17 PM
#78:


CyricZ posted...
Ehhhh *wobbles hand back and forth*

Yeah, I think "our" Loki and Gamora will stay dead, but they've both been replaced with past versions of themselves, so I wouldn't count them.

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02/26/21 9:42:45 PM
#79:


Im sure she could just create Vision how she remembered considering she made things out of nothing and her powers manipulate reality. I dont think she really has to remake the stone outright. Especially considering this Vision could be completely fake.

Smashingpmkns posted...
Doubt on this one.

Cap probably won't show back up though
Ironically, they figured out how to deage people by accident in Endgame, but wont be using it on Cap.
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MushroomMuncher
02/26/21 9:43:01 PM
#80:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Doubt on this one.

Cap probably won't show back up though
Isn't Chris Evans reportedly in talks to come back?

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DarthAragorn
02/26/21 9:45:14 PM
#81:


MushroomMuncher posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Doubt on this one.

Cap probably won't show back up though
Isn't Chris Evans reportedly in talks to come back?

I don't think anything really reputable has reported that. So for now it's just Schrodinger's Cap. Until they state that Old Man Cap died it's always possible to just de-age him if he does decide to return
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Smashingpmkns
02/26/21 9:59:30 PM
#82:


MushroomMuncher posted...
Isn't Chris Evans reportedly in talks to come back?

Dunno haven't seen that. I'm sure Evans will be back in some form like those funny training videos or whatever but I dont think we'll see cap in action again. At least not as he was. Iron Heart Spoilers: I think RDJ has been confirmed to show back up in Iron Heart as an AI though.

Marked it cuz I'm sure some people would want that as a surprise
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02/26/21 10:10:08 PM
#83:


I just hope they dont use multiverse stuff as an excuse to recast Tony and Steve.
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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 10:12:46 PM
#84:


Tom Clark posted...
Yeah, I think "our" Loki and Gamora will stay dead, but they've both been replaced with past versions of themselves, so I wouldn't count them.
Well, not yet in Loki's case. But there's really no way the show doesn't find a way for him to "invade" the main timeline.
Also a bit of an open question whether past-Gamora is still around. Even if we basically know she is.

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Doom_Art
02/26/21 10:13:19 PM
#85:


If Piertro isn't the X-Men Quicksilver then it's a very weird and wasted opportunity

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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 10:14:34 PM
#86:


Doom_Art posted...
If Piertro isn't the X-Men Quicksilver then it's a very weird and wasted opportunity
Literally this whole show has been constant "Nothing is what you think it is." energy.

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Hornswoggled
02/26/21 10:26:37 PM
#87:


Kinda cool how this show made two characters who were always just kinda there in the movies into some of the most interesting ones.
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iPhone_7
02/26/21 10:29:22 PM
#88:


Im confused.

IIRC the CIA guy said Wanda stole Visions corpse, there was security camera footage of her breaking into the lab. They repeatedly mention that he wants Visions corpse back.

Then we see past Wanda break into the lab but just leave without the body.

Then we see past Wanda reality warp the town and create a new Vision.

Then we see another Vision being brought to life by the CIA guy.

Are they both fake Visions and the dismantled corpse is still back at the lab? I wish they would have shown the corpse disintegrating as she was creating the one with her.

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CyricZ
02/26/21 10:31:55 PM
#89:


iPhone_7 posted...
IIRC the CIA guy said Wanda stole Visions corpse, there was security camera footage of her breaking into the lab. They repeatedly mention that he wants Visions corpse back.
Lies.

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slmcknett
02/26/21 10:36:11 PM
#90:


Hayward lied.

Wanda didn't steal Vision's body, but they doctored footage where she did. I guess it was because they detected the fake Vision's vibranium inside the Hex and needed an excuse to investigate it.

The real Vision we just saw at the end of the episode, they rebooted him as White Vision from the comics.

Hornswoggled posted...
Kinda cool how this show made two characters who were always just kinda there in the movies into some of the most interesting ones.
Amazing what some extra screentime will do for you.

Vision became super likeable to me in this. Too bad it came posthumously.

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Doom_Art
02/26/21 10:38:10 PM
#91:


BLAKUboy posted...
Literally this whole show has been constant "Nothing is what you think it is." energy.
It's the same issue I had with the Iron Man 3 fakeout

You made the original/fakeout more interesting than the real thing

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IfGodCouldDie
02/26/21 10:40:08 PM
#92:


iPhone_7 posted...
Im confused.

IIRC the CIA guy said Wanda stole Visions corpse, there was security camera footage of her breaking into the lab. They repeatedly mention that he wants Visions corpse back.

Then we see past Wanda break into the lab but just leave without the body.

Then we see past Wanda reality warp the town and create a new Vision.

Then we see another Vision being brought to life by the CIA guy.

Are they both fake Visions and the dismantled corpse is still back at the lab? I wish they would have shown the corpse disintegrating as she was creating the one with her.
I think, the Vision she saw was the real Vision. When she found the deed to the house she went there and created The Hex out of raw emotion being a catalyst for enhancing her powers. This was when she recreated Vision and the Mind Stone out of nothing. The Vision that SWORD has was still the Vision created by Ultron/Stark/Jarvis. This is why I wouldn't be surprised if White Vision ends up just being Ultron.

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dave_is_slick
02/26/21 10:41:53 PM
#93:


Doom_Art posted...
If Piertro isn't the X-Men Quicksilver then it's a very weird and wasted opportunity
Why did anybody suspect it was though? Same actor? Well what else?

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BLAKUboy
02/26/21 10:42:06 PM
#94:


iPhone_7 posted...
IIRC the CIA guy said Wanda stole Visions corpse, there was security camera footage of her breaking into the lab. They repeatedly mention that he wants Visions corpse back.
He lied. Also he's the Director of SWORD, not from the CIA.

iPhone_7 posted...
Then we see past Wanda reality warp the town and create a new Vision.

Then we see another Vision being brought to life by the CIA guy.

Are they both fake Visions and the dismantled corpse is still back at the lab? I wish they would have shown the corpse disintegrating as she was creating the one with her.
Hex Vision is a separate creation that can only exist inside the Hex, White Vision is the actual corpse reanimated by Wanda's power.

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Smashingpmkns
02/26/21 10:48:04 PM
#95:


I still think they're gonna bring back Evan Peters as Quicksilver. This show may not fully introduce the Xmen but it's the start.
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Doom_Art
02/26/21 10:53:48 PM
#96:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I still think they're gonna bring back Evan Peters as Quicksilver. This show may not fully introduce the Xmen but it's the start.
Fingers crossed

If the intent is to do multiverse stuff going forward it'd be a wasted opportunity to have it be a fakeout

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02/26/21 11:14:11 PM
#97:


dave_is_slick posted...
Why did anybody suspect it was though? Same actor? Well what else?
The fact that the next Doctor Strange movie is about the multiverse and features Wanda, and the next Spider-Man movie is rumored to have all three film versions of Spider-Man in it.
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iPhone_7
02/26/21 11:20:58 PM
#98:


BLAKUboy posted...
He lied. Also he's the Director of SWORD, not from the CIA.

Its usually a hot-headed general or a CIA leader whos a villain in so many movies/shows. I was just lazily referring to him as the CIA guy.

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Xerun
02/26/21 11:36:14 PM
#99:


dave_is_slick posted...
Why did anybody suspect it was though? Same actor? Well what else?


The audio assistance literally said its the version of Pietro from the Fox X-Men series

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slmcknett
02/26/21 11:52:55 PM
#100:


dave_is_slick posted...
Why did anybody suspect it was though? Same actor? Well what else?
It's obvious why people thought it.

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