Poll of the Day > This is a pretty satisfying video in my opinion

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https://youtu.be/7CvErhrFwuo

maybe that makes me a little twisted but I feel like this lady was just so entitled and arrogant like she was above the rules of society. Its like in all her years of life she never understood that her actions have consequences until the moment she gets tased, and then she immediately forgets and has to be threatened with being tased again before she realizes she has to cooperate.

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Timestamps for the good parts?

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I would say start from 04:23 I guess
if you dont want to listen to her just being ridiculous and arguing

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AHAHA at her being an asshole even when he's getting an ambulance for her, damn!

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Normally I dont sign shit... but when cops give you one of those tickets that make you show up at some court house at a later date... you BETTER sign it. If not you will end up in cuffs.

One I signed basically said that I would commit no crimes until my court date. Harmless.

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yeah as far as I know when you sign a ticket youre just signing that you did knowingly receive the ticket from the officer, you can still contest it if you think it was given wrongfully

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These freaking entitled ass people who think they can do no wrong and no rules apply to them. Honestly it wasn't really all that satisfying because she didn't learn anything. Just to not resist anymore at that particular moment because she'd get Thunderbolted again.

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I don't know man pretty fucked up to get tased (which is pretty dangerous on an older, overweight person) over essentially what was just a broken taillight. She's a bit entitled but I find it hard to call this "satisfying". Seems more to me like a perfect example of why cops suck. Pulled her over for some minor bullshit (she should fix the light but white headlights from opposing traffic/rearview mirror are way more blinding anyway). Gave her an arbitrary ticket because she was rude to him/gave up some honest information about having it for six months that she didn't expect to be used against her. Escalated the situation and looked for the first excuse to make an arrest, draw a gun, etc.

They probably wouldn't have gotten the $80 anyway if she complied, it wouldn't be worth jack shit to them if they did get it, and he ran all her info so they probably could've sent some subpoenas in the mail or something

Cops are dumb trash bullies

^Is that some kind of sarcasm that I'm not getting? Because what the actual hell.

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I didn't really watch anything post tasing btw so maybe she is really crazy but just the lead up to it makes me mad. Nobody likes dealing with cops and they make things so adversarial that most people aren't going to have a cool head unless the cop says like three things to them and drives away

Once she started trying to kick the cop repeatedly I lost any sympathy for her

imagine if some young black dude tried this shit

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Mead posted...

imagine if some young black dude tried this shit

Yeah, exactly, that's why it's scary that it gets to that point with anyone. I can't say the woman is blameless but I saw the cop basically call for her arrest the second she denied the ticket instead of trying to explain it more (I still don't get why they can't be mailed since red light cameras do just that). Then he pulled a gun immediately after the second time she pulled over in what looked like an area that was not easy to drive off. Then tased her when she was already on the ground without explicitly warning her that he was going to pull the taser out.

GrabASnickers posted...

but I saw the cop basically call for her arrest the second she denied the ticket instead of trying to explain it more

well yeah she refused to sign it which is an arrestable offense. Even when he did use some non lethal force it was after she fled the scene and was physically fighting him

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It's dumb that it's arrestable to begin with. If they can mail you a ticket from a blurry photo of your license plate why can't they mail one with your plates, driver's license and insurance information? Why even write tickets for a first offense that could be taped over in five minutes? Cops love to pick on people for minor shit and then make it worse. Yeah she's an asshole but if you can't deal with people being rude you probably shouldn't be a cop.

Tasers can kill people by the way

You don't drive away when you're pulled over, period.

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GrabASnickers posted...

Tasers can kill people by the way

so can water

But if a house is on fire Im not gonna tell firemen to not use the water hose

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GrabASnickers posted...

It's dumb that it's arrestable to begin with. If they can mail you a ticket from a blurry photo of your license plate why can't they mail one with your plates, driver's license and insurance information? Why even write tickets for a first offense that could be taped over in five minutes? Cops love to pick on people for minor shit and then make it worse. Yeah she's an asshole but if you can't deal with people being rude you probably shouldn't be a cop.

Tasers can kill people by the way

$80

this lady fled the scene and fought a cop because she refused to sign that she received a ticket that in all likelihood she would not actually be forced to pay if she contested it

she gets no sympathy from me at all. I think the cop was fair in his duties in this situation.

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Exactly... endangered an unpleasant but unthreatening woman's life over 80 fucking dollars they weren't going to get or do anything with anyway. I don't see how you don't see how that's fucked up. You even said yourself to imagine if a black kid did it. Whenever that happens, it's always "the cops escalated it", "resisting arrest isn't a real crime", etc. Not sure how that doesn't apply here too, it's okay if nothing too bad happens? She still could've been killed or seriously hurt by the taser, or seriously hurt from being thrown out of the car forcefully

Like I said before when she started fighting and kicking at the guy, she lost the benefit of the doubt in my mind. And my point was that if some black dude did something like this, theres a good chance that they would have been treated as a far greater threat and very well might have been killed.

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Yes and you'd most likely be justifiably outraged over it. So I'm not sure why it's different just because it's a dumb Karen and she didn't die. If we continue to treat this kind of thing as standard operating procedure for police then don't be surprised when black people continue to get killed by cops

GrabASnickers posted...

So I'm not sure why it's different just because it's a dumb Karen and she didn't die.

if I saw some black guy talking to a cop like that, driving away while ignoring the cop, and then they tried to jerk away and kick at them when the cops caught up, I wouldnt feel bad for them either.

you have to be decent to others if you want to be treated decently. Society has rules

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Mead posted...

if I saw some black guy talking to a cop like that, driving away while ignoring the cop, and then they tried to jerk away and kick at them when the cops caught up, I wouldnt feel bad for them either.

Would you feel bad when the cop shot him
Because he totally would.

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You are entitled to your opinion and maybe I would've enjoyed this video myself nine months ago but it seems like a huge blind spot to me now not to look at this video as more than "bitchy person gets what's coming". Not all rules of society or the standards for enforcing them really make sense. People in positions of authority make questionable decisions all the time and we shouldn't trust that they do the right thing just because they have authority.

not gonna watch an old woman being tased

what did she do

Zareth posted...

Would you feel bad when the cop shot him
Because he totally would

I would because I dont think lethal force would be an appropriate response to the level of threat that someone kicking you could realistically cause

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

not gonna watch an old woman being tased

what did she do

when she was out under arrest she yelled no Im not! And drove away

then when she got pulled over a second time she resisted arrest and then finally started kicking at the officer trying to handcuff her

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GrabASnickers posted...

People in positions of authority make questionable decisions all the time and we shouldn't trust that they do the right thing just because they have authority.

That doesnt really have anything to do with what happens in this video. She could have kept discussing things with the officer but by flatly refusing to talk to the officer and rolling up her window with the intent to simply drive away, she didnt really leave the officer with many options.

If he hadnt tased her when he did it is very likely that she could have been seriously injured in the struggle and if you dont think that she had done enough at that point to be arrested then Im not sure what to tell you

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

not gonna watch an old woman being tased

what did she do

Pulled over for having an uncovered white emitting taillight
Officer tickets her for $80 on a first offense because she admitted it had been like that for six months
She refuses to sign the ticket and the officer doesn't really explain much, just says she's under arrest then drives ahead a little bit
After getting pulled over again the officer immediately draws a gun and shouts at her in the car she's under arrest
He puts the gun away and pulls her out of the car, she resists a bit
She is on the ground, officer tells her to put her hands behind her back a couple times then pulls the taser out and fires it immediately

You're doing a magnificent job of minimizing her offenses and magnifying his.

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Mead posted...

That doesnt really have anything to do with what happens in this video. She could have kept discussing things with the officer but by flatly refusing to talk to the officer and rolling up her window with the intent to simply drive away, she didnt really leave the officer with many options.

Why didn't the officer tell her she can fight the ticket later on? Or tell her "If you don't sign the ticket I'm obligated to make an arrest"? Why did he just jump into trying to arrest her? Why didn't he warn her about the taser?

how could he when she immediately rolled up the window, wouldnt stop yelling that she was not under arrest(lol), and then sped away?

youre totally ignoring the part where she kept wildly thrashing away from him and actually started kicking at him. It was only after then that the officer used a taser on her. Again, not really leaving the officer with many options.

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GrabASnickers posted...

Why didn't the officer tell her she can fight the ticket later on? Or tell her "If you don't sign the ticket I'm obligated to make an arrest"? Why did he just jump into trying to arrest her? Why didn't he warn her about the taser?

If you are physically fighting an officer then you should know that they are going to do something about it. She literally just fled from the cops, how much of a warning did she really need? Even after she had been tased she would not stop with her belligerence until she was threatened with being tased again.

In fact after it was all said and done, I think they should have tased her one more time. Just to really communicate to her that the way she acted was not acceptable in any kind of civil society.

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Watch it again, she makes one weak little sideways kick before she gets out of the car, hardly what I'd call "fighting". Resisting, sure, but just looks to me like she is trying to nudge the cop away more than actually attack him.

And the officer barely even tries to resolve the situation with a signature, he starts commanding her to get out of the car pretty quickly. It's dumb to drive away at that point, I'm not arguing that, but police training revolving around being adversarial and not giving people patience is a huge problem. It goes from asking for the signature to demanding arrest in like 30 seconds, pretty fucked up if you ask me

She is the one that took it from a minor situation and escalated it to the point where he needed to give her a lawful order.

And Im not talking about a slight kick or the light swatting she does when she is in the car. Im talking about what she does at the 5:00 mark in the video. 100% deserved to be tased and even if she is 65, the noise she made was cathartic as hell cause I think we have all had to deal with people who cannot comprehend that they are wrong about a situation.

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You don't get a free pass to fuck around because you're an old woman

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See you fucked up a police brutality video by adding all the context before it. Rookie mistake.

dedbus posted...

See you fucked up a police brutality video by adding all the context before it. Rookie mistake.

Except this isnt an example of police brutality. Its an example of consequences for stupid actions.

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Pretty sure the dude was agreeing with you, like basically saying "it doesn't look so brutal when you see why the cop did it".

I just don't get why in these situations people sometimes have a "the cop is always right" mentality. It's not right just because they have the authority. Even if it's by the book for police training there's probably something wrong with the book. I just can't take pleasure in someone's life being put at risk over a taillight.

I'd rather scrutinize the cops than the sometimes crazy and belligerent people they deal with, because a cop is supposed to know how to handle pretty much any situation, but you can't really know what's going through a civilian's mind or underestimate how little they understand about laws and talking to cops. This woman did not act smartly but unfortunately cops are trained to act like everyone is a threat rather than de-escalate situations, which is exactly what happened here. Dude absolutely did not need to draw a gun, nor need to tase someone on the ground. She wasn't going to go anywhere after she was out of the truck.

Oh I dont think cops are always right at all. But in this situation I dont think the cop was left with many options and I think the woman brought it all on herself.

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I've presented other options like 20 times, if you don't think those would've made more sense, then I don't know what to tell you. You just seem to be taking the mentality that once she hit a certain threshold for you, all bets were off. Not only do I disagree with that idea in principle but I also think there were better de-escalation options before even getting to that point and I'm not going to keep rehashing them

GrabASnickers posted...

You just seem to be taking the mentality that once she hit a certain threshold for you, all bets were off.

Yeah. That is my mentality. If I ever refuse to sign a ticket, flee from the authorities, and then try to fight them when they try to apprehend me, then I would absolutely deserve to be tased and that would be on me.

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The entire exchange had a weird air of 'Southern politeness' between both of them that was mostly just Southern sassiness.

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GrabASnickers posted...

Dude absolutely did not need to draw a gun

Bullshit. She just fled the scene of an arrest. The officer had no idea if she was going to resist further by shooting him. She'd already been out of sight long enough to go for a concealed firearm and he needed to be ready for that. Drawing a gun on her is completely reasonable and prudent.

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It really is a shame that Cops was cancelled. It was a great way to see what cops go through. The amount of people that resist always seemed high. Think Live PD got canned too. On the other hand, even knowing the Cops crew was filming, you could still see cops that were way too short on patience.

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So I watched it.

First I'm against tickets for things like that. Especially on the first offense. She even talks later on about how everyone that enters that county gets a ticket for one reason or another. I believe that does happen alot. Even if she was driving like that for 6 month, which she admitted to, he could have just told her how to fix it. He could have warned her that if she didn't sign, he would arrest her etc. It did seem he has some kind of problem with her son (or her family as a whole) as well.

After she took off, I do think he needed to arrest her, that is dangerous, and there has to be consequences. That being said, there was absolutely no reason why he needed to Tase her. He could have called for backup and waited for her to calm down. In fact he didn't even need to pull her out of her car. Could he do those things legally? Sure. But there was no real reason for him to do that, even with her driving away.

There does need to be consequences for breaking the law, but this whole "profit" situation from giving people tickets is wrong, and has always been wrong. The FIRST way a cop should respond to a situation is to help the citizen and ensure other citizens are safe. Got an unsafe broken tail light? Have tape etc in your police vehicle so when you pull someone over BAM you fix it and there is no more problem. Give them a warning and tell them they need to get it fully fixed repaired in the future.

This situation could have been handled way better, and that wasn't really a Karen. That was just a normal elderly lady that though she was being treated unfairly and didn't like getting a ticket for something so simple. Did she react badly? Yes, but people are going to do that in high stress situations.

Because of the combination of how she reacted and he reacted, she could have died or been seriously injured. She also could have hit someone while running from him (although it wasn't really a chase, she didn't speed off etc, just just drove to an area with other people there).

This is not protecting the public. This directly endangered her, possibly endangered others (admittingly that was her fault, but putting people in such situations makes it likely that the "criminal" is going to flee and put others in danger).

Even just literally saying he was putting her under arrest when she was still in her vehicle and could drive away, was a bad idea and put other people at risk. Did he just not believe she would drive away after he said that? Officers know about fight or flight, and he had to know there was a chance she would. He could have just said (repeatedly until she complied) that she had to get out of the vehicle or she would be in worse trouble. HE could have told her that she needed to sign the paper or he would be forced to arrest her etc. He did absolutely nothing to try and defuse the situation and instead escalated it as fast as possible.

I don't find this satisfying at all, in fact, it's really sad that such a video is an example of police NOT doing anything wrong, because it shows how bad they actually act sometimes, by the fact that this is considered ok and justifiable.

Police should be there to protect people, not put them in danger. This was yet another case where due to the police getting involved, someone could have gotten seriously hurt, and there was absolutely no reason for that to happen at all.

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Mead posted...

yeah as far as I know when you sign a ticket youre just signing that you did knowingly receive the ticket from the officer, you can still contest it if you think it was given wrongfully

Correct. Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt. Just acknowledgement of recieving the ticket.


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