Current Events > Does Texas deserve to be bailed out?

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I'm not saying they deserved what happened, but at the same time its a state that routinely mocks literally anyone/anything thats not Texas, eschews progress of any kind, has a giant chip on its shoulder about how tough they are and don't "need nobody", and has floated the idea of sucession more than once. Again, while routinely mocking every other state in the union for not being Texas.

Personally I'm kind of sick of Texas' attitude and then every few years it falls apart over the SAME fucking thing: Texan/GOP hubris.

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Don't mess with texas

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Do you also believe that a handful of black people speak for all black people?
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"If the majority in your state vote Republican, let everyone in the state suffer."

Deserve? Who knows.

We don't do it cause they deserve it, we do it because we have the power and responsibility to mitigate human suffering.

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They can get help if they admit they aren't the greatest state

FortuneCookie posted...

"If the majority in your state vote Republican, let everyone in the state suffer."

To that point, why on fucking earth would a liberal/dem want to live in Texas? Everyone knows what the climate is there, and it's never going to change. To that point I promise you Ted Cruz will be re elected, because "at least he ain't no gaaaaal daaaanged LIBRUL!"

You know I'm right lol

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Zikten posted...

They can get help if they admit they aren't the greatest state

And don't complain about commie welfare parasites sticking the begging bowl under the nose of big government and demanding handouts from the taxpayer.

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AldousIsDead posted...

Deserve? Who knows.

We don't do it cause they deserve it, we do it because we have the power and responsibility to mitigate human suffering.

We do, but at what point does one stop trying to convince and argue with the child that the burner is in fact hot before you let them touch it? Suffering is often the greatest teacher.

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PoundGarden posted...

To that point, why on fucking earth would a liberal/dem want to live in Texas? Everyone knows what the climate is there, and it's never going to change. To that point I promise you Ted Cruz will be re elected, because "at least he ain't no gaaaaal daaaanged LIBRUL!"

You know I'm right lol

I live in Trumpland, Indiana. I can't just pack up my bags and move to sunny California 'cause I'd like to.

PoundGarden posted...

To that point I promise you Ted Cruz will be re elected, because "at least he ain't no gaaaaal daaaanged LIBRUL!"

Can't imagine why they might not care for liberals like you.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I live in Trumpland, Indiana. I can't just pack up my bags and move to sunny California 'cause I'd like to.

Especially with that attitude

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The burner has already been touched in this analogy. We are caring for the burn now.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I live in Trumpland, Indiana. I can't just pack up my bags and move to sunny California 'cause I'd like to.

Why not? Genuine question. Not to say moving cross country is a small task (I've done it thrice), but its also not impossible. One of the reasons I left MN last year is its just FAR too liberal and will never change. So instead of bitching about it and being unhappy with how I'm governed, I left

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it's weird they(or most of them?) wanna live without a safety net and yet when everything fails they expect the safety net to kick in.

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Yes, they should get bailed out. Help the people, but punish the politicians in charge.

I mean, this is what they voted for. But yes, as a US state they deserve to be bailed out. I just hope they hold their "leadership" accountable after the fact and don't continue attacking those who are actually helping them. AOC has done more for Texas through this than Ted Cruz has, but if they continue to attack her and vote for Cruz after all this I'm gonna lose sympathy for them.

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It's practically blue, just gerrymandered and voter suppressed. half of the people don't deserve to die of cold just because they live in a republican dictatorship

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PoundGarden posted...

To that point, why on fucking earth would a liberal/dem want to live in Texas? Everyone knows what the climate is there, and it's never going to change. To that point I promise you Ted Cruz will be re elected, because "at least he ain't no gaaaaal daaaanged LIBRUL!"

You know I'm right lol

Biden got 46.48% of the votes in Texas. You're not right.

Intro2Logic posted...

Can't imagine why they might not care for liberals like you.

I'm a liberal, that's hilarious thanks for that lol

AldousIsDead posted...

The burner has already been touched in this analogy. We are caring for the burn now.

Well then ill move my goalpost a smidgen to the left: at what point do you stop caring for and emptying with the dumbass that keeps high fiving the burner?

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Thats the same logic they used for NYC right? When they didnt send them aid?

good thing we arent vengeful huh

Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

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PoundGarden posted...

Well then ill move my goalpost a smidgen to the left: at what point do you stop caring for and emptying with the dumbass that keeps high fiving the burner?

We don't.

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PoundGarden posted...

Why not? Genuine question. Not to say moving cross country is a small task (I've done it thrice), but its also not impossible. One of the reasons I left MN last year is its just FAR too liberal and will never change. So instead of bitching about it and being unhappy with how I'm governed, I left

Financial reasons, family, practicality, etc.

Imagine voting no lol

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Tc realizing he's one of those "fuck people that aren't like me" people

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I'm In favor of helping the people get warm, fed, and clean running water. The obscenely high electrical bills and getting their grid back up and running, that needs to be fixed by the state's elected leaders. Taxpayers from others states with properly regulated electrical grids should not be on the hook for fixing a state that has problems that they are aware of and refuse to fix.

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Got a lot of sickos on CE with poll results like that.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Got a lot of sickos on CE with poll results like that.

The Good Guys

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As a general rule, punishing people for how they vote (or how their state votes) is a bad way to engender fondness from them to you.

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Look, Bali outs have been given to every evil entity out there. It's the people of Texas who I voted to bail out, not the state, the politics or the politicians. Even the politicians, while people wanna place the full blame on, were not the bad guy, or at least the the primary one. It was the greedy corporations that cut corners and decided not to place the preventive measures for the what if occurrence.


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Tenlaar posted...

Biden got 46.48% of the votes in Texas. You're not right.

And yet, the state remains historically red, so....if you're waiting to see Texas flip to a Democratic state, you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment


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No Im not some dumbass that thinks a state shares the same view with everyone in it and deserves to suffer.

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Because needing to weatherize a bunch of windmills is something that occurs in a place that's regularly over 60 degrees

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Gohan187 posted...

Look, Bali outs have been given to every evil entity out there. It's the people of Texas who I voted to bail out, not the state, the politics or the politicians. Even the politicians, while people wanna place the full blame on, were not the bad guy, or at least the the primary one. It was the greedy corporations that cut corners and decided not to place the preventive measures for the what if occurrence.

The elected officials could have done their job to protect the people of their state and required the corporations to take the proper preventative measures. They chose not to because they were in the pockets of said of corporation.

@ZeroX91 They were warned about this in a report on the 2011 freeze that happened. They chose not to do anything about it.

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PoundGarden posted...

And yet, the state remains historically red, so....if you're waiting to see Texas flip to a Democratic state, you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment

You say that like Georgia didn't just go Blue

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I think they do, only because I dont think its fair for the citizens to suffer for the actions of their shitty politicians

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PoundGarden posted...

And yet, the state remains historically red, so....if you're waiting to see Texas flip to a Democratic state, you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment

That's strange, what you're saying here seems to contradict what basically every expert and article on the matter that pops up when I search about it. Almost like you're pulling it out of your ass or something.

ZeroX91 posted...

Because needing to weatherize a bunch of windmills is something that occurs in a place that's regularly over 60 degrees

El Paso, which is on a different grid than most of the state, did it.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/el-paso-electric-winter-storm-2021/?

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IMO - yes, but with a very clear, highly publicised warning that they need to work on preventing this happening again or else the help will not be there next time. And this warning needs to be enforced if it actually comes down to it.

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soulunison2 posted...

Thats the same logic they used for NYC right? When they didnt send them aid?

good thing we arent vengeful huh

You'll have to elaborate. If you're referring to 9/11, good day sir. If you're referring to them getting pounded by coastal storms, they can't really help that. Texas made the decision to have their very own grid because greed, the GOP, and Texas.

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

Its not a position of revenge. It's a position of "well that was a stupid fucking decision, best of luck with all that". Similar to the Gorilla Glue Girl situation. Don't hate her or wish her harm, but also not gonna feed her GoFundme

ScazarMeltex posted...

I'm In favor of helping the people get warm, fed, and clean running water. The obscenely high electrical bills and getting their grid back up and running, that needs to be fixed by the state's elected leaders. Taxpayers from others states with properly regulated electrical grids should not be on the hook for fixing a state that has problems that they are aware of and refuse to fix.

Fair, ill agree with that.

Antifar posted...

As a general rule, punishing people for how they vote (or how their state votes) is a bad way to engender fondness from them to you.

Refusing to throw a lifeline to a guy who cannot swim yet gleefully cannonballs into the ocean while people begged him not to isnt "punishing" them in my book. Chumming the water on top of it is "punishing".

AldousIsDead posted...

We don't.

Have fun paying those ER burn bills the rest of their life then I guess

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Wealth tax on rich Texans on top of the Covid Wealth Tax that should've been passed roughly a year ago should pay for it.

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TC sounding a lot like Donald Trump

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It's never going to be fun. Fun was never in the equation. We do it to mitigate suffering and hope that there won't be more.

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The citizens deserve help, but the local government is too shady. The feds should send money, but also send a representative to be in charge of how its spent.

Lot of sociopaths in that poll.

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Tenlaar posted...

That's strange, what you're saying here seems to contradict what basically every expert and article on the matter that pops up when I search about it. Almost like you're pulling it out of your ass or something.

That's strange, what you said above implies Texas isn't and hasn't been a Republican owned state. And yet...it is. What a waste of bandwidth that post was. Do better.

Trumble posted...

IMO - yes, but with a very clear, highly publicised warning that they need to work on preventing this happening again or else the help will not be there next time. And this warning needs to be enforced if it actually comes down to it.

I can get behind that. Only problem i see is it requires Democrats to keep true to that, and we all know they let Republicans do basically whatever tf they want. Worst they'll do is hold a session to officially condemn their actions. Lather, rinse repeat.

ZeroX91 posted...

You say that like Georgia didn't just go Blue

And if Texas ever follows suit, I'll print this page out and literally eat my words.

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AldousIsDead posted...

It's never going to be fun. Fun was never in the equation. We do it to mitigate suffering and hope that there won't be more.

Sure. But again, when they just keep slapping that hot burner while wearing an idiots grin and laughing with delight, it gets harder to feel bad for them.

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