Current Events > Does Texas deserve to be bailed out?

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Isnt the whole point that they claim to not want federal help?

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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Isnt the whole point that they claim to not want federal help?

I mean, then there's that too. Texas makes the best bootstraps.

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PoundGarden posted...

That's strange, what you said above implies Texas isn't and hasn't been a Republican owned state. And yet...it is. What a waste of bandwidth that post was. Do better.

Do you think that this somehow counters the fact that every source that isn't your ass seems to be saying that Texas is looking solidly purple at the least going forward?

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Isnt the whole point that they claim to not want federal help?

The whole Texas?

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I didn't like how Republicans delayed relief for New Yorkers, et. al. during hurricane Sandy. I do not support delaying relief for Texans.

Michelle Obama was correct. When they go low, we'll go high. Unfortunately Stupidity is not illegal, but we're all Americans.

I am a California Democrat

EDIT: History will judge us appropriately.

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AldousIsDead posted...

Deserve? Who knows.

We don't do it cause they deserve it, we do it because we have the power and responsibility to mitigate human suffering.

If it turns the state blue Ill take it. Kill the problem at its source. Better to set the bone now than just take pills until it heals wrong

Texas has the money to bail its citizens out. It doesnt need the federal aid. Its one of the richest states in the union. Emergency aid and food and water aid, yes. Medical aid yes. But repairing its infrastructure and taking care of its citizens is its job. Raise the taxes and get it done.

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Tenlaar posted...

Do you think that this somehow counters the fact that every source that isn't your ass seems to be saying that Texas is looking solidly purple at the least going forward?

Do you think hypothetical scenarios and future predictions somehow counter reality and the fact that my statement is 100% accurate? They ARE and historically have been red, idk what to tell you there.
I'll believe it when I see it. They still voted for that idiot Trump, and they'll still vote for Ted Cruz again.

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Hahahahahaha

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There were more Biden votes in Texas than there were Biden votes in New York

wanting millions of people to suffer because you dont like the people in power is pretty shitty tbh

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ShyOx posted...

If it turns the state blue Ill take it. Kill the problem at its source. Better to set the bone now than just take pills until it heals wrong

Texas has the money to bail its citizens out. It doesnt need the federal aid. Its one of the richest states in the union. Emergency aid and food and water aid, yes. Medical aid yes. But repairing its infrastructure and taking care of its citizens is its job. Raise the taxes and get it done.

I agree with this. TX must join the 21st century. Or at least the 20th. There's third world shit going on down there.

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Bananana posted...

There were more Biden votes in Texas than there were Biden votes in New York

Fascinating. And yet...they still voted Trump and are a red state.

Bananana posted...

wanting millions of people to suffer because you dont like the people in power is pretty shitty tbh

Thats not what I said at all, but best of luck with your poor reading comprehension

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Yes, because these are Americans and a US state. I would however get an ironclad commitment that they will undo the disastrous policies that allowed this to happen and force them back onto the national grid. Clearly their thinking that they can take care of themselves was just overly proud bravado.

PoundGarden posted...

Fascinating. And yet...they still voted Trump and are a red state.

Thats not what I said at all, but best of luck with your poor reading comprehension

you seem to say texas should deal with it as if texas is a monolith. there are many citizens in texas who didnt vote for the ineptitude that has led to this situation, and i dont think those citizens should suffer just because well more of your neighbors did vote for ineptitude. should have lived somewhere else!

im not denying that its the population voting for ineptitude that is an issue. but id much prefer to bail out those who are at fault and mitigate the suffering of those not at fault than let everyone suffer. and believe it or not, i dont even think republican voters should be forced to suffer at the hands of a state government that will assuredly not fix the situation. shocking, i know!

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I hate to say it but they shouldn't get help. Ted Cruz tried to stop NJ from getting help. And now that that needed it they get it, and people like AOC even getting more money to help. So they get to be assholes, then they get benefits they try to stop others from getting .

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Given that many in Texas think we shouldn't do Covid relief due to "The Debt", why should states that spent their budgets to keep Covid in check for most of the last year, pay for a state that was lazy at handling a foreseeable crisis?

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cjsdowg posted...

I hate to say it but they shouldn't get help. Ted Cruz tried to stop NJ from getting help. And now that that needed it they get it, and people like AOC even getting more money to help. So they get to be assholes, then they get benefits they try to stop others from getting .

I can understand this position.

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cjsdowg posted...

I hate to say it but they shouldn't get help. Ted Cruz tried to stop NJ from getting help. And now that that needed it they get it, and people like AOC even getting more money to help. So they get to be assholes, then they get benefits they try to stop others from getting .

the issue is that these games of trying to gotcha other politicians out of being assholes will not only never work, millions of american citizens suffer as a result of it. you cant argue texas is a state, they should have federal regulation! while at the same time saying theyre on their own, no federal help! i believe the former to be true, they SHOULD abide by federal regulations as much as anywhere else

this idea is only serving a revenge boner, its not practical in any way and will make no part of the situation better at all

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CommonStar posted...

Yes, they should get bailed out. Help the people, but punish the politicians in charge.

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If the aid is related to issues with their electrical grid there needs to be rules put in place to prevent this from occurring again otherwise we will continue to keep paying for issues Texans caused by skimping out on costs.

They should obviously be bailed out again.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Damn, tc does nothing but make obnoxious ass troll responses huh?

If that's your takeaway and only contribution to the discussion, then I am sorry you're such a sour negative person.

Ok, that was a little obnoxious but deserved

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No state should ever be bailed out, fuck em.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

If the aid is related to issues with their electrical grid there needs to be rules put in place to prevent this from occurring again otherwise we will continue to keep paying for issues Texans caused by skimping out on costs.

That is the entire crux of my position: Texas is a red state that has always done their own thing and delighted in their "fuck you" attitude. The GOP has made it crystal clear they don't actually have to play nice or fair or even abide by the law. If we bail them out even with stipulations, they're not going to abide by them and will either weasel out on a technicality, cry until we give up, or just plain tell the Dems to go fuck themselves.
Unfortunately the spineless inaction of Democrats the last 4 years has only emboldened the GOP and made it clear they really can just do wtf ever they want, consequence free.

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Bananana posted...

the issue is that these games of trying to gotcha other politicians out of being assholes will not only never work, millions of american citizens suffer as a result of it. you cant argue texas is a state, they should have federal regulation! while at the same time saying theyre on their own, no federal help! i believe the former to be true, they SHOULD abide by federal regulations as much as anywhere else

this idea is only serving a revenge boner, its not practical in any way and will make no part of the situation better at all

How in the hell does that work. They get to try to stop others from getting help, they send people like Ted Cruz to washington that hurts everyone else. But when shit hits the fan for them. Let's do all we can to help. So they get to be jerks and pay no price. While people who care about others pay .

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cjsdowg posted...

How in the hell does that work. They get to try to stop others from getting help, they send people like Ted Cruz to washington that hurts everyone else. But when shit hits the fan for them. Let's do all we can to help. So they get to be jerks and pay no price. While people who care about others pay .

there it is again. who the fuck is they? Every person in Texas? Not everyone voted for the stooges in power there who are responsible for this; in fact, almost an even amount voted the other way. Those people should get fucked because they were unfortunate enough to live in a state with 5 million red voters?

this isnt a hypothetical scenario. This is millions of human lives put into jeopardy. anyone willing to sacrifice the safety of millions of people to prove a point that wont actually resolve anything in the long run doesnt care about the people there to begin with.

yes, ted cruz and abbott and all in power responsible should pay for this. but leaving millions to freeze to do so is not only cruel and selfish, it wont even make them pay.

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Sure, but there's a side of me that wants to see them solve the issue as a sovereign nation. You know, like how many Texans want to secede from the US.

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Bananana posted...

there it is again. who the fuck is they? Every person in Texas? Not everyone voted for the stooges in power there who are responsible for this; in fact, almost an even amount voted the other way. Those people should get fucked because they were unfortunate enough to live in a state with 5 million red voters?

this isnt a hypothetical scenario. This is millions of human lives put into jeopardy. anyone willing to sacrifice the safety of millions of people to prove a point that wont actually resolve anything in the long run doesnt care about the people there to begin with.

yes, ted cruz and abbott and all in power responsible should pay for this. but leaving millions to freeze to do so is not only cruel and selfish, it wont even make them pay.

And you don't care about the millions that people like Cruz and Abbott her . Letting Republicans stop others from getting help and them making sure that get helps. Gives them no push to do better. They complain about socialism but not when it saving their ass. This shit is why Democrats can never gain any ground. Because Republican no we will always bail them out even while they try to hurt us .


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cjsdowg posted...

And you don't care about the millions that people like Cruz and Abbott her . Letting Republicans stop others from getting help and them making sure that get helps. Gives them no push to do better. They complain about socialism but not when it saving their ass. This shit is why Democrats can never gain any ground. Because Republican no we will always bail them out even while they try to hurt us .

You completely avoided responding to the actual point, which is that you're saying that you also don't want to "bail out" the literal millions upon millions of people who vote Democrat and are trying to make Texas a better place.

Only if Ted Cruz and the other republican politicians in Texas resign. Put the pressure on them and turn the voter base against them. Cement it in their minds that Ted Cruz cares more about minor inconveniences for himself than the state.

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Tenlaar posted...

You completely avoided responding to the actual point, which is that you're saying that you also don't want to "bail out" the literal millions upon millions of people who vote Democrat and are trying to make Texas a better place.

You are right. Republican cut services to people. When they need the they should it. No questions ask. I mean the people who talk about bootstaps. And look down at others. When they need help forget about bootstaps just give them everything. Cruz literally tried to stop aid from getting to other victims. And he shut down the government that cost workers billions . A number Dude even left his die to freeze to death. But yeah lets reward all of these people while millions are dying because of no covid aid, and the Republican assault on the ACA.

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They can lace up them damn bootstraps they love so goddamn much.

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I like when people say shit like "We should kick the red states out" ignoring how many blue voters they'd fuck over and the millions of pissed off Republicans they'd have in states like New York and California.

This is the kind of shit I'd expect from Donald Trump.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I like when people say shit like "We should kick the red states out" ignoring how many blue voters they'd fuck over and the millions of pissed off Republicans they'd have in states like New York and California.

This is the kind of shit I'd expect from Donald Trump.

Those Red states are saying they want to leave. We are saying Good bye.

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cjsdowg posted...

Those Red states are saying they want to leave. We are saying Good bye.

youre intentionally missing the point, right

youre pretending to be this bad at reading and understand words for a joke, right?

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hockeybub89 posted...

I like when people say shit like "We should kick the red states out" ignoring how many blue voters they'd fuck over and the millions of pissed off Republicans they'd have in states like New York and California.

This is the kind of shit I'd expect from Donald Trump.

No. These red states are constantly wanting to leave the US. We are saying let them. They depend on blue states to subsidize their own shitty economies and policies. That is money that could instead be spent on improving the lives of their own citizenry. So let the states that want to leave leave.

As for the Texas situation I've already made my thoughts clear. Help the citizens survive but the state is responsible for fixing their shitty electrical grid since they chose not to follow federal regulations. The state is also responsible for figuring out what to do with the huge bills that the electric companies are charging thwir citizenry.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

No. These red states are constantly wanting to leave the US. We are saying let them. They depend on blue states to subsidize their own shitty economies and policies. That is money that could instead be spent on improving the lives of their own citizenry. So let the states that want to leave leave.

How many of the 5,259,126 Texans that voted for Biden in 2020 do you believe want to leave the US?

Is Texas the Quebec of Canada?

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This ce *don't mess with Texas meme* is annoying af. .
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Again, I believe we should help TX.

But I believe we should make stupidity hurt. I'm unsure how to reconcile the two.

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CosmicShadows posted...

This ce *don't mess with Texas meme* is annoying af. .

pm me if you need me to help you with blocking me

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brestugo posted...

Again, I believe we should help TX.

But I believe we should make stupidity hurt. I'm unsure how to reconcile the two.

bail texas out but make all of their firstborn sons move to san fransisco and portland

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ScazarMeltex posted...

These red states are constantly wanting to leave the US. We are saying let them.

A state doesnt have opinions! And politicians are not their constituents!

Youre in favor of dooming anyone who doesnt want their state to secede because of where they live. I get its satisfying to say and it makes you feel powerful but there are nuances here beyond the majority decides for everyone, especially when many elections in the states we are talking about are riddled with gerrymandering and other forms of voter suppression. This is a middle school-level, gut instinct response to this problem.

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The Trent posted...

bail texas out but make all of their firstborn sons move to san fransisco and portland

I know you are unserious.

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brestugo posted...

I know you are unserious.

i am nothing if not unserious

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Tenlaar posted...

How many of the 5,259,126 Texans that voted for Biden in 2020 do you believe want to leave the US?

I'm going to guess probably not very many. I won't say zero because well that's just impractical to make that assumption. Realistically, it's only a very small percentage of people in any state that do the "hurr durr we gonna secede" thing. The problem is that the officials they elect are loud, stupid, and corrupt.

As I said prior, my views on what is currently going in Texas is that the feds should help people survive. The federal Government should not be on the hook for fixing the electical situation. That was a completely avoidable position that they now find theirselves in. The politicians of Texas created that mess, they can use the resources of their state to fix it. Unless Texas is willing to hook their grid up to the rest of the country and comply with regulations, it's not on the feds to fix.

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