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WingsOfGood
02/19/21 10:23:05 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/19/health/what-is-simp-teen-slang-wellness/index.html

Shannon was used to her socially awkward son being bullied by other boys at the private school he attends in Atlanta.
But when she picked him up from school in mid-January and her eighth grader told her he was being called a "simp," Shannon, who's only using her first name to protect her son's identity, didn't know what to think.
"He's telling me this and I'm driving and I'm trying to make sense of it," she said. "I'd never heard the word."
"He told me, 'It basically means that I'm just being nice to girls because I like them,'" she said. "I was like, wait, my kid is being picked on for being nice to girls?"

Her son had told her he'd recently been put in the "friend zone" by one of the girls, who made it clear she wasn't interested in dating him. They had continued to be friendly.
"You do all these things as a parent to raise your kid right, to be nice to everyone, especially kids without many friends," Shannon said. "And you never think that by making your kid the nice one you could be making them a target for bullies."
What is a simp?
While many parents might be unfamiliar with the word "simp," chances are your tween or teen has used or at least heard the term.

Urban Dictionary's top definition of a simp is "someone who does way too much for a person they like." Other definitions on the crowdsourced online dictionary include "a man who puts the hoes before the bros," and "a guy that is overly desperate for women, especially if she is a bad person, or has expressed her disinterest in him whom which he continues to obsess over."

"'Simp' is slang for a person (typically a man) who is desperate for the attention and affection of someone else (typically a woman)," said Connor Howlett, 23, a digital strategist for Turner PR in New York City, in an email to CNN.
"Think the energy of puppy dog eyes but manifested in a romantic, human form," Howlett said. "It's used in an insulting manner. Though typically playful, there are definitely undertones of toxic masculinity since it's related to showing too much emotion."
Florida mother Karen McClung first encountered the word in group chats she closely monitors with her 11-year-old daughter and 12-year-old son.

"I saw the word and quickly looked it up," said McClung, who lives in Tampa. "I asked my kids what they thought it meant and my son said, 'It's basically if you had $1,000 and you could do anything with it, you'd use it to get the attention of a girl then everyone would make fun of you."
"I blocked the thread," McClung said.
While she said her son wasn't being called a simp in the thread, McClung said she's "curious to see how it impacts my son because he's very chivalrous by nature."
A definition that's evolving
A word that emerged into Gen Z vernacular from social media usage, as simp is thought to have arrived, is bound to get muddled and continue to evolve.

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And simp can have different contexts depending on the age group using it, said Laura Capinas, a clinical social worker in Sonoma County, California.
"Depending on if it's a middle schooler or a high schooler using it, it could be different," she said, and it's not just boys talking about simps and simping either.
"Girls in high school sometimes throw out the term to their high school girlfriends," Capinas said. "Some kids I've talked to have said it's not a derogatory term. It's sort of like teasing someone, like 'You've left us to go hang out with your friends, you're simping us.'"
"If you have someone saying it who's used to being a bully, it will be received as a bully comment," she said.
While she hasn't heard kids or parents in her practice be overly concerned about the word, Capinas often hears kids use it in describing their day or their peer groups.

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Myra Fortson said she has discussed the word with her 15-year-old daughter and thinks words like this often "spread more quickly than their meaning."
"Kids will also own their language by refusing to go back to its original meaning," said the Tampa, Florida, mother of three. "They will say things like, 'Maybe that's where it comes from, but it doesn't mean that anymore.' And they keep using the term the way they want."
Tactics for diffusing a tense simp-tuation
One way to think of a simp, said Sean Davis, a marriage and family therapist in Sacramento, California, is "simply someone who is ahead of their time."
"Though it hurts in the moment, in the big picture, a boy who is called a 'simp' can wear it as a badge of honor," Davis said.

"Today's boys are being raised in the middle of the biggest redefinition of male gender roles in recent history," Davis said. "Should I be kind and sensitive or distant and aloof when trying to win a partner over?"
As with all bullying, teens and tweens should first tell their parents or a trusted adult who may be able to intervene on their behalf, he said. "Otherwise, simply owning it and refusing to be ashamed can help."
It's important for parents to remember that there have always been new slang terms to navigate for kids and parents alike, Capinas said, and the goal is to "make sure it's being received in a playful manner and used playfully."
"I think we are always looking to stop our kids from being hurt," she said. "We don't like language that's slang and has potential for negative connotation."
One tactic she teaches kids in her therapy sessions, she said, is the "humor tool."
"It's comic relief. You practice not putting down the other person, you put down the situation," she said.

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If someone is being called out for always "simping the girls," Capinas said, "he could turn it around and say 'It's tough being the lone soldier simp nice guy, who wants to join me?'"
"You can turn it and make it into comedy," she said.
Davis pointed to a similar approach.
"Telling the bully, 'That's right,' while holding your head up high and walking away can help, as bullies usually give up if they don't succeed in tearing the other person down," he said. "And you can tell yourself that being bullied is simply the price a revolutionary has to pay for standing up for what's right."
Shannon said her son's therapist advised similar tactics, but the boy said he only comes up with the perfect retort three hours later.
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"It's just been really heartbreaking, especially because I know a lot of these boys bullying him. He's been at the school since second grade," Shannon said. "If their moms knew, they'd be horrified. But my son doesn't want me to tell them because it will just get worse."
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philsov
02/19/21 10:23:51 AM
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but how will they learn, if not feedback
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xXfireglzXx
02/19/21 10:39:09 AM
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When you attack the language all you're doing in ensuring that the next generation changes the vernacular being used.

Before simp there was "white knight." Before there was white knighting there was, "putting the pussy on a pedestal."

"Cool story bro" becomes "Weird flex but okay". Slang will continuously change and grow in response to those viewed as outsiders trying to change or control it.

If a problem is systemic, it cannot be solved by taking umbrage with the language used, all you're really doing is kicking the can down the road to try to feel better about yourself in the short term.

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refmon
02/19/21 10:39:50 AM
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philsov posted...
but how will they learn, if not feedback


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RetsuZaiZen
02/19/21 10:41:18 AM
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Ah yes "new"

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The Trent
02/19/21 10:41:49 AM
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Pimp c was using the word simp in like 1994 lol

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Cowthief
02/19/21 10:42:03 AM
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CE is indeed ahead of the curve on 8th grade insults!

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LostForest
02/19/21 11:08:39 AM
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This article is really missing the point of simping. The issue isn't just a matter of "being nice to girls" and it has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. It's when that "niceness" becomes hopeless and obsessive.

Though I guess it's possible that dipshit teenagers are just using it incorrectly, but if that's the case, education is important. We gotta teach these kids who it's okay to make fun of.

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Propane4Sale
02/19/21 11:10:32 AM
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Back in my day, boys just called you a <gay slur> so this is nothing.

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Dakimakura
02/19/21 11:10:42 AM
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SMH alt-right Gamefaqs mods banning people for simping.
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tommybel89
02/19/21 11:14:31 AM
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Big difference between teens trying to find their way and the fat adult manboy anime simp stereotype.

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SquirtleSkwad
02/19/21 11:15:24 AM
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Let's not pretend that the girls don't also punch down on guys like this.

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SquirtleSkwad
02/19/21 11:16:04 AM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...
Ah yes "new"
It's very obviously been popularized only in recent years. Don't play dumb.

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ssk9716757
02/19/21 11:17:03 AM
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this is just an updated version of dudes getting called white knights. it reinforced shitty gender stereotypes back then too.

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Choco
02/19/21 11:20:06 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
. "And you never think that by making your kid the nice one you could be making them a target for bullies."
how sheltered is this woman

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Esrac
02/19/21 11:22:32 AM
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One way to think of a simp, said Sean Davis, a marriage and family therapist in Sacramento, California, is "simply someone who is ahead of their time."
"Though it hurts in the moment, in the big picture, a boy who is called a 'simp' can wear it as a badge of honor," Davis said.

Oh, that is so fucking cringey. The only thing cringer is:

If someone is being called out for always "simping the girls," Capinas said, "he could turn it around and say 'It's tough being the lone soldier simp nice guy, who wants to join me?'"
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legendary_zell
02/19/21 11:24:28 AM
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These people have no idea how out of their depths they are. It would be much better to leave everyone to their own devices than for a kid to follow any of their advice.


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Hop103
02/19/21 11:26:00 AM
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Simping is bad, boys should be shamed for it.
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Pus_N_Pecans
02/19/21 11:30:29 AM
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LostForest posted...
This article is really missing the point of simping. The issue isn't just a matter of "being nice to girls" and it has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. It's when that "niceness" becomes hopeless and obsessive.

Though I guess it's possible that dipshit teenagers are just using it incorrectly, but if that's the case, education is important. We gotta teach these kids who it's okay to make fun of.
I agree with this to some degree, but the way it's often used here is an example of toxic masculinity. Boys (and some girls) use insults like this as a blanket statement, and in doing so, it gets weaponized towards even those who don't deserve it, and genuinely just want to be a decent person. It creates an atmosphere where boys aren't allowed to act out of kindness without criticism, no matter how small that act might be.

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Tenlaar
02/19/21 11:38:04 AM
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Hop103 posted...
Simping is bad, boys should be shamed for it.
The example of "simping" in this case is not treating a girl differently after she said she wasn't interested in dating.
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Bass_X0
02/19/21 11:46:16 AM
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Propane4Sale posted...
Back in my day, boys just called you a <gay slur> so this is nothing.

For liking girls, which is the least gay thing a male can do?

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The Trent
02/19/21 11:46:53 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
For liking girls, which is the least gay thing a male can do?

no for being nice to them

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Background_Guy
02/19/21 11:47:10 AM
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Choco posted...
how sheltered is this woman
This

Being a good person will always get you shit on. That's why so many people try so hard to be edgy bad boys.
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Background_Guy
02/19/21 11:49:30 AM
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Also do gen z's actually talk like they're in a twitch chat in real life? Jesus Christ.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/19/21 11:50:46 AM
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This is not new, she is just out of touch.

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JlM
02/19/21 11:55:45 AM
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Great, now I have The Shins stuck in my head.
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WaterLink
02/19/21 11:58:33 AM
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Esrac posted...
One way to think of a simp, said Sean Davis, a marriage and family therapist in Sacramento, California, is "simply someone who is ahead of their time."
"Though it hurts in the moment, in the big picture, a boy who is called a 'simp' can wear it as a badge of honor," Davis said.

Oh, that is so fucking cringey. The only thing cringer is:

If someone is being called out for always "simping the girls," Capinas said, "he could turn it around and say 'It's tough being the lone soldier simp nice guy, who wants to join me?'"

I thought the same thing as well. Does this therapist really think saying things like that will lead to anything other than being bullied more?

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ZeroX91
02/19/21 12:03:40 PM
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Being a simp is paying for attention nothing more nothing less.

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NeonOctopus
02/19/21 12:09:12 PM
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lol i love when news stories pick up on memes

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Esrac
02/19/21 12:10:06 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
The example of "simping" in this case is not treating a girl differently after she said she wasn't interested in dating.

I mean, continuing to treat a girl like you want to date her after she has mad either clear she doesn't want to date you is generally frowned upon.
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NoxObscuras
02/19/21 12:10:20 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
This is not new, she is just out of touch.
Every person involved with the article is out of touch. People who clearly have no idea what simp means, giving advice. It's kind of sad lol.

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gamer167
02/19/21 12:10:53 PM
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To me calling someone a simp doesnt mean theyre being nice. It means theyre being overly nice to the point its cringe/creepy.

Ive always been under the opinion that Its usually a thinly veiled pickup strategy for someone who lacks confidence/charisma.
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Tenlaar
02/19/21 12:12:21 PM
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Esrac posted...
I mean, continuing to treat a girl like you want to date her after she has mad either clear she doesn't want to date you is generally frowned upon.
It just says he continued being friendly with her, as in didn't start treating her badly or being cold toward her or something for rejecting his interest. Are you trying to twist that into something else for a reason?
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Background_Guy
02/19/21 12:48:35 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
It just says he continued being friendly with her, as in didn't start treating her badly or being cold toward her or something for rejecting his interest. Are you trying to twist that into something else for a reason?
When a girl rejects you you're supposed to throw acid in her face.
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The Trent
02/19/21 12:49:00 PM
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it's the bombay way

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ZevLoveDOOM
02/19/21 12:52:05 PM
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definitely the scoop of the century right there!

gonna tune in next week when they explain this new term called "chad"!
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s0nicfan
02/19/21 12:53:54 PM
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xXfireglzXx posted...
When you attack the language all you're doing in ensuring that the next generation changes the vernacular being used.

Before simp there was "white knight." Before there was white knighting there was, "putting the pussy on a pedestal."

"Cool story bro" becomes "Weird flex but okay". Slang will continuously change and grow in response to those viewed as outsiders trying to change or control it.

If a problem is systemic, it cannot be solved by taking umbrage with the language used, all you're really doing is kicking the can down the road to try to feel better about yourself in the short term.


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Unsugarized_Foo
02/19/21 12:54:49 PM
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Jiving ass turkeys

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Questionmarktarius
02/19/21 12:56:57 PM
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xXfireglzXx posted...
When you attack the language all you're doing in ensuring that the next generation changes the vernacular being used.

Before simp there was "white knight." Before there was white knighting there was, "putting the pussy on a pedestal."

"Cool story bro" becomes "Weird flex but okay". Slang will continuously change and grow in response to those viewed as outsiders trying to change or control it.

If a problem is systemic, it cannot be solved by taking umbrage with the language used, all you're really doing is kicking the can down the road to try to feel better about yourself in the short term.
Moral panic never ends.
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Ivynn
02/19/21 12:57:55 PM
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Esrac posted...
One way to think of a simp, said Sean Davis, a marriage and family therapist in Sacramento, California, is "simply someone who is ahead of their time."
"Though it hurts in the moment, in the big picture, a boy who is called a 'simp' can wear it as a badge of honor," Davis said.

Oh, that is so fucking cringey. The only thing cringer is:

If someone is being called out for always "simping the girls," Capinas said, "he could turn it around and say 'It's tough being the lone soldier simp nice guy, who wants to join me?'"

lmao That's just gonna lead to the poor kid getting beat up

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/19/21 1:00:03 PM
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Ivynn posted...
lmao That's just gonna lead to the poor kid getting beat up

Sounds like job security to me

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NoxObscuras
02/19/21 1:11:35 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
When a girl rejects you you're supposed to throw acid in her face.
She can't tell you to get out of her face, if she no longer has a face.


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Choco
02/19/21 1:20:36 PM
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Esrac posted...
Capinas said, "he could turn it around and say 'It's tough being the lone soldier simp nice guy, who wants to join me?'"
i fucking hate adults so much

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Background_Guy
02/19/21 1:30:39 PM
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In all seriousness, this eighth grader and these parents don't have the insight to know this, but anyone who uses meme insults like simp and cringe in real life is automatically the biggest loser in any situation.
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LostForest
02/19/21 1:36:11 PM
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So when we all had a laugh about Ted Cruz simping for Donald Trump, what it REALLY meant was we were bullying Ted Cruz for being nice to Donald Trump?

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Donomark
02/19/21 1:39:07 PM
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"Simp" is by no means a new word. As someone else mentioned, this was in African American vernacular going back at least twenty-five years ago. A simp is basically a sucker who gets played by women.

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The Trent
02/19/21 1:39:36 PM
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Donomark posted...
"Simp" is by no means a new word. As someone else mentioned, this was in African American vernacular going back at least twenty-five years ago. A simp is basically a sucker who gets played by women.

Hey please give me and pimp c the proper credits

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Background_Guy
02/19/21 1:40:32 PM
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LostForest posted...
So when we all had a laugh about Ted Cruz simping for Donald Trump, what it REALLY meant was we were bullying Ted Cruz for being nice to Donald Trump?
I mean yeah, we were. He was being nice to a guy that basically made him his bitch.
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Questionmarktarius
02/19/21 1:40:35 PM
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Donomark posted...
As someone else mentioned, this was in African American vernacular going back at least twenty-five years ago. A simp is basically a sucker who gets played by women.
History has repeatedly made it clear that nothing actually exists until a white guys sees it.
...except for vikings, for some reason. Stuff they saw doesn't count, somehow.
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