Current Events > Biden wants tougher gun laws...........

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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-shootings-florida-ron-desantis-school-shootings-15c500b84990f804ae1b3309a74844a9

Sorrow reverberated across the country Sunday as Americans, including President Joe Biden, joined a Florida community in remembering the 17 lives lost three years ago in the Parkland school shooting massacre.

In seconds, the lives of dozens of families, and the life of an American community, were changed forever, Biden said in a statement released Sunday.

The president used the occasion to call on Congress to strengthen gun laws, including requiring background checks on all gun sales and banning assault weapons.

There was no time to wait, the president said. We owe it to all those weve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

I'm up for it. I have my background check and license for my 686-6 anyway.

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I mean, the dude's already fucking shit up, so of course he'd push for this.

Easiest 'I'm against' ever.

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Against it. I vote against gun restrictions, but Im not worried about this. Biden is expected to give a few statements about how evil and horrible guns are, but the Democrats never do anything but talk about it. Gun restriction usually happen under republicans, oddly enough. The only thing that democratic presidents do about guns is cause fear which causes the prices of ammo to go up.

Gun and ammo sales account for so much cash flow that neither side actually wants it banned or restricted. It is irritating, but they will never make any serious changes to gun rights.

Unless he wants to get rid of the filibuster, no he doesn't.

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I'm fine with this. But it won't go anywhere.

Vicious_Dios posted...

I mean, the dude's already fucking shit up, so of course he'd push for this.

Easiest 'I'm against' ever.

Then you should have hated how much of a mess Trump made.

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Meh, all talk, Trump did more by banning bump stocks than Obama did in 8 years for gun restrictions.

ZannoL posted...

requiring background checks on all gun sales and banning assault weapons.

Sigh, once again what is defined as an assault weapon? Full auto is already banned.
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bknight posted...

Meh, all talk, Trump did more by banning bump stocks than Obama did in 8 years for gun restrictions.

Exactly. Its all talk and the only change will be pricing. Thousands of dollars change hands at gun shows per minute, all taxed sales.

I'm fine with background checks, but i'm going to forever be on the same page of "Assault rifle looks scary so it's more dangerous" being absurd. You can not buy fully automatic assault rifles, otherwise, they function the exact same as a standard rifle that is clip fed, the same as any hunting rifle that you can buy at Walmart. If anything, hunting rifles are more accurate, and you can buy larger caliber rifles that will do more damage than an assault rifle.

For the record, I am a gun owner, I don't own an assault rifle, and i'm pretty much liberal in stance. I think an assault rifle ban would cause more harm than good, especially if they try to take them from the people who already own them. It will turn ugly fast.

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ZannoL posted...

The president used the occasion to call on Congress to strengthen gun laws, including requiring background checks on all gun sales

Fair enough

ZannoL posted...

and banning assault weapons.

Um, gonna have to define that.

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Against. I like it when people are shot. It feels good.

theres more guns than people in this country
not even gonna come close to achieving anything helpful

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You mean Biden CLAIMS to want tougher gun laws to appeal to neolib voters while not actually doing any of the things that would stop gun control from getting stalled and dying in Congress.

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i mean why dont we actually look at how the last 50 or whatever mass shooters got their weapons and how their intentions flew under the radar and build regulations to combat that?

im all for background checks but assault weapons bans sounds vague and impotent >_>

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AlisLandale posted...

i mean why dont we actually look at how the last 50 or whatever mass shooters got their weapons and how their intentions flew under the radar and build regulations to combat that?

im all for background checks but assault weapons bans sounds vague and impotent >_>

Well I mean sure, that could work, but its much easier to just ban scary looking guns and parts and pretend something was actually accomplished.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Then you should have hated how much of a mess Trump made.

Hey, bro.

*Snaps fingers*

I don't know what happened to you that you constantly have that man running through that head of yours 25/8, but please understand that Trump's not in office anymore. So, if you could please join us all in the present, then that will do you good.

Trust me.


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Vicious_Dios posted...

Hey, bro.

*Snaps fingers*

I don't know what happened to you that you constantly have that man running through that head of yours 25/8, but please understand that Trump's not in office anymore. So, if you could please join us all in the present, then that will do you good.

Trust me.

Just because he's not President anymore doesn't mean that his mess is gone.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Hey, bro.

*Snaps fingers*

I don't know what happened to you that you constantly have that man running through that head of yours 25/8, but please understand that Trump's not in office anymore. So, if you could please join us all in the present, then that will do you good.

Trust me.

Really dumb post.

All the damage someone did isnt magically wiped out just because someone new gets elected.

Also, every time Ive bought a gun theyve done some type of background check. It wasnt a three day hold, which it shouldnt be, but they ran my stuff to make sure I havent been charged with certain crimes and that I dont have any mental disorders that would prevent me from buying one. What more would you want?

Automatic Assault weapons, as has already been pointed out, are already illegal. If they really wanted to go after high capacity semi auto rifles, then they would limit magazine size to like four. Thats not going to happen because 30 round mags sell like hot cakes and it accounts tons of tax revenue.

If they really wanted to make life worse for gun owners, they would:
-go after magazine capacity
-force you to register ammo (which some places like DC apparently already do)
-make it to where you cant keep the gun in your house (aka check your gun into and out of the game wardens office to go hunting)

Not ever going to happen in the US because the courts would shoot it down in a New York minute. They will play around banning stuff like bump stocks or tactical scopes, but there are literally too many guns to ever ban them outright and the government would lose way too much money.

I'll 100% never get the American obsession with guns.

Fuck people who fight regulation because they have taken an object that's only purpose is to do extreme harm into their identity.

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I love it when a single man orders the country around and hinders gun ownership

Fuck me daddy B

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All that really is needed is to have something like a car license that needs to be renewed with mental health and safety testing.

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uhhhh.... why are strict gun laws supposed to be a bad thing? God damn America, please start thinking for once......

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Yep. We need less people having access to guns. If you pass the proper background checks and mental checks, fine. If not, you don't deserve one.

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COVxy posted...

I'll 100% never get the American obsession with guns.

Fuck people who fight regulation because they have taken an object that's only purpose is to do extreme harm into their identity.

The problem isn't that it's more gun laws.
The problem is that it's always gun laws and bans that either do nothing, or actively hinder minority groups, low income people, or both.

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Yes on zero-exception background checks (gun show, pawn shop, direct sale, doesn't matter; though the infrastructure to make this accessible for peer-to-peer sales needs to be in place and enforcable), but I just never had the heart to ban assault weapons.

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Malcrasternus posted...

The problem isn't that it's more gun laws.
The problem is that it's always gun laws and bans that either do nothing, or actively hinder minority groups, low income people, or both.

As someone who cares a lot about minority and low income issues, I think this is the least of their worries lmao.

The issue is that any real regulation would almost certainly never pass, so what does get passed is often toothless. You can't actively sabotage all real attempts at regulation and point to what has gotten passed and say "these clearly are ineffective!"

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LMAO guns are socialist

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the best solution is to strip anyone found guilty of domestic abuse of their second amendment rights as part of their sentencing.

theyre the most likely offenders, and it's more humane than simply executing all of them

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Woo, yeah! Ban guns! No way that'll make it so that only bad people will have the better guns!

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Malcrasternus posted...

The problem isn't that it's more gun laws.
The problem is that it's always gun laws and bans that either do nothing, or actively hinder minority groups, low income people, or both.

America has never ever done a gun restriction correctly. Theres no point in having a gun free zone when you can just walk outside that zone and buy a gun. It needs to be country wide and zero tolerance. In addition, America is so fucked in terms of their gun situation that it will be a long time before they see a major benefit from gun restrictions. That doesnt mean it shouldnt be put in place ASAP

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gmanthebest posted...

Woo, yeah! Ban guns! No way that'll make it so that only bad people will have the better guns!

I, for one, love smuggling an AK47 in my anus across the border.

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Speaking purely from a perspective of observation and nothing more, the increase in gun sales & ammo is quite wild right now, and Biden hasn't even been president for hardly a month. It's certainly not unheard of for gun sales to increase when a Democrat president takes office, but damn, a large percentage of the American people that weren't previously armed are now.

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Zelda_Aran posted...

a large percentage of the American people that weren't previously armed are now.

seems more likely that a small percentage of the american people who are psychopaths and owned 10 guns now own 20

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Rika_Furude posted...

America has never ever done a gun restriction correctly

Assault Weapons Ban, 1994-2004.

It ended because an outright ban on scary-looking guns was shown to have no significant impact on lowering gun-related deaths and crime.

COVxy posted...

The issue is that any real regulation would almost certainly never pass, so what does get passed is often toothless. You can't actively sabotage all real attempts at regulation and point to what has gotten passed and say "these clearly are ineffective!"

There are thousands of gun laws on both the state and federal level in America. Every gun regulation that focuses on, or bans the use of specific cosmetic features is a do-nothing, feel good law that does nothing to impact gun crimes in the U.S.

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Sackgurl posted...

seems more likely that a small percentage of the american people who are psychopaths and owned 10 guns now own 20

There were nearly 5 million new gun owners in 2020.

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Yes, let's make it tougher for law abiding Americans from getting guns. It's not like criminals can get them easier.

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Don't change gun laws

Invest more in mental health

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theres an estimated 100-120million gun owners in the US. in the last year the FBI recorded nearly 10 million new gun owners, that is 10million people who did their very first background check to buy a gun (and this can include multiple gun sales). that does NOT include those who bought via private sales or built their own from 80% kits or from scratch. there is an estimate of 400-500million firearms in circulation in the US, half of the entire worlds small arms combined.

in this last year you had literally everyone buying guns from all political, racial and class leanings. literally everyone is strapped. the genie is out, pandoras box is open and dogs and cats are living together.

gun control is a moot point and one that can be helped via other means that would make everyones lives easier rather than further pecking away at their constitutional rights.

MabusIncarnate posted...

You can not buy fully automatic assault rifles

You can, but the supply has been artificially constrained since 1986, there's a shitton of paperwork, and also an expensive tax stamp at the end.

ThunderTrain posted...

Don't change gun laws

Invest more in mental health

Definitely invest more in mental health. I'm 100% on board with that. Not just to curb gun violence, as a significant percentage of gun deaths in America are suicides, but in general. Our mental health system is a joke.

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Big on background checks

Not so big on this scary "assault weapon" meme

I mean, they're fucking guns.

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The issue with any gun control measure is that no matter how much of an obstacle you put in front of gun ownership, it's only working class people that get screwed. Rich people can afford to jump through (or bypass) whatever hoops you place in front of them.

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Malcrasternus posted...

Our mental health system is a joke.

Somewhere around the 50s or 60s, the left convinced everyone that mental wards were cruel and inhumane, and the right was thrilled at the idea of not having to fund them anymore.

Sackgurl posted...

the best solution is to strip anyone found guilty of domestic abuse of their second amendment rights as part of their sentencing.

theyre the most likely offenders, and it's more humane than simply executing all of them

That's already a thing

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