Current Events > Final Fantasy IX's ending hits so hard. (Heavy spoilers)

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I just rebeat it for the first time since I was a kid after having forgotten most of the plot.

Vivi's monologue/final words in the ending legitimately brought me to tears. Such a fantastic character, and even if his death was pretty unavoidable, it hits so hard with that monologue.

Probably one of the most genuinely impactful endings I've ever seen.

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Wut?

How did I never realize vivi actualy died? Now I'm sad

It is interesting that the concept of life and death is so prevalent for the entire roster.

Zidane and Kuja - have basically a shorter life due to their creation.
Vivi - obsolescence and short life are guaranteed.
Dagger - Actions of her country gives way to death of thousands, her tribe is also killed when she is young.
Freya - lives through the near eradication of her entire race.
Garland - attempting to save his planet from extinction

So much death.


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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

It is interesting that the concept of life and death is so prevalent for the entire roster.

Zidane and Kuja - have basically a shorter life due to their creation.
Vivi - obsolescence and short life are guaranteed.
Dagger - Actions of her country gives way to death of thousands, her tribe is also killed when she is young.
Freya - lives through the near eradication of her entire race.
Garland - attempting to save his planet from extinction

So much death.

Yeah, I think that death and how to deal with it and accept it was ultimately at the center of the game. It was honestly very well done and was a really deep story for what seems like such a quirky and lighthearted game on the surface.

It all flew over my head really hard as a kid, so I'm really really glad that I revisited the game.

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I think it has by far the best story of the PS1 Final Fantasy games.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

It is interesting that the concept of life and death is so prevalent for the entire roster.

Zidane and Kuja - have basically a shorter life due to their creation.
Vivi - obsolescence and short life are guaranteed.
Dagger - Actions of her country gives way to death of thousands, her tribe is also killed when she is young.
Freya - lives through the near eradication of her entire race.
Garland - attempting to save his planet from extinction

So much death.

Eiko: Tribe was killed like Dagger

Amarant: No one fucking cares.

Quina: EATER OF WORLDS.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Freya - lives through the near eradication of her entire race.

Remember how beatrix aided in said eradication but no one cares because boobs

Tom Clark posted...

I think it has by far the best story of the PS1 Final Fantasy games.

I'd agree with that.

jumi posted...

Eiko: Tribe was killed like Dagger

Amarant: No one fucking cares.

Quina: EATER OF WORLDS.

Amarant's parents were (probably) dead since he grew up on his own.

I actually liked him quite a bit, even though he was really unimportant overall and his arc was pretty rushed.

Also, Quina is history's greatest monster. S/he devours frogs, leaves enough alive to reproduce, then comes back later to periodically harvest their offspring. S/he is death incarnate.

(Absolutely busted character too, s/he was my best party member by a huge margin)

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dotsdfe posted...

Also, Quina is history's greatest monster. S/he devours frogs, leaves enough alive to reproduce, then comes back later to periodically harvest their offspring. S/he is death incarnate.

Lol when you put it like this, shes basically the reapers from Mass Effect


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jumi posted...

Amarant: No one fucking cares.

Amarant still fits: He's willing to die for stupid reasons, up until he finds a family.

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Literally the best ending in video games, to cap off the best video game in video games.

Perfect game, 9/10.
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Queen Brahne dying and Dagger being depressed enough to lose her voice despite Brahne being a war criminal.

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SpaceBear_ posted...

Queen Brahne dying and Dagger being depressed enough to lose her voice despite Brahne being a war criminal.

speedreadersan

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SpaceBear_ posted...

Queen Brahne dying and Dagger being depressed enough to lose her voice despite Brahne being a war criminal.

To be fair, she mentions at the beginning of the game that she changed recently, about the time she met Kuja, iirc.

Her depression could just as easily be from the compounded situation of witnessing her adoptive mom be lost to madness and then die before she any chance at redemption, or at least closure.

...probably idk

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Brahne was redeemed and absolved in the end with her dying words, which firmly pointed to the Mist being the reason why she was acting that way (along with Kuja's influence). She says that the greed clouding her heart finally lifted, apologizes, and then dies. Garnet also mentions losing another mother as a big reason why she's so upset about it.

Honestly though? I didn't love that plot point, personally. Brahne spent the entire game as an absolute monster and attempted genocide while conquering the world. I wasn't huge on the game trying to let her off the hook for that.

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dotsdfe posted...

Brahne was redeemed and absolved in the end with her dying words

tbh I dont consider oh shit I feel bad to be a redemptive act. >_>

but my memory is kinda fuzzy

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She succeeded in genocide.

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AlisLandale posted...

tbh I dont consider oh shit I feel bad to be a redemptive act. >_>

but my memory is kinda fuzzy

I think it was supposed to redeem her since outside factors were influencing her and she seemingly wasn't in a rational state of mind. It definitely felt like the game wanted her to be redeemed in the end, but I didn't really buy it.

spikethedevil posted...

She succeeded in genocide.

Fair. I was thinking more of the "outright wipe a group out" definition, in which she didn't get Freya, Fratley, Puck, or a few other stragglers. But just as far as killing a ton of people, yeah.

Either way, she was pretty damn evil.

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"Mr 36 is buried in the ground, but I don't know why. He's going to come back someday, right? When he does, I'm going to wash him off in the pond."



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SpaceBear_ posted...

"Mr 36 is buried in the ground, but I don't know why. He's going to come back someday, right? When he does, I'm going to wash him off in the pond."

The entire black mage plotline is really tragic. That was another plot point that I had totally forgotten, but the realization that they were all built to be disposable was heartbreaking.

Especially with Vivi at the center of it. His ending monologue seriously crushed me. Such an endearing character.

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Vivi is in the top tier for FF characters all time, without question.

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it's crazy that 8 and 9 were released only a year and a half apart, even with its flaws 9 is the best game in the series

dotsdfe posted...

Yeah, I think that death and how to deal with it and accept it was ultimately at the center of the game. It was honestly very well done and was a really deep story for what seems like such a quirky and lighthearted game on the surface.

It all flew over my head really hard as a kid, so I'm really really glad that I revisited the game.

Makes the main track "Melodies of Life" and its variants throughout the game all the more touching.
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Quina's incredibly open mind allowing her to see her dead master and eat his imaginary food.

Amarant's relevance.

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Id never know vivi dies cause ill never finish this long slow boring game.

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Brahne always reminded of a female Freeza given how she looked, and calling Zidane a stupid monkey.

And all the genocide.

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nah

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it has come to my attention i don't really know what the fuck is going on in FF8, 9, 10, x-2 and 12.

like i know the incredibly basic of basics but there's so much fantasy shit in between that delving into it apparently requires hours of reading wiki entries... per game.

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just replayed it with moguri mod, turn based enabled (speeds up with combat imo), and a beatrix mod that makes her a legit recruitable character with dialogue in the cutscenes, trance, skills and all that.

so fucking good.

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Kaiganeer posted...

it's crazy that 8 and 9 were released only a year and a half apart

And 9, 10, and 11 were also announced on the same day, and all came out within 2 years or so.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Vivi is in the top tier for FF characters all time, without question.

lmao, okay bro.

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People whine about the final boss of IX not making any sense but it literally is death incarnate. There's an interesting video floating around that ties it all together and once you understand it you realize he doesn't come out of nowhere.

He's a manifestation of the game's main theme of death. Does that make him a good villain? Not really. I wouldn't consider him a villain per se since he's not evil. He's a concept beyond good an evil. And he's cool lookin.

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FabIe posted...

People whine about the final boss of IX not making any sense but it literally is death incarnate. There's an interesting video floating around that ties it all together and once you understand it you realize he doesn't come out of nowhere.

He's a manifestation of the game's main theme of death. Does that make him a good villain? Not really. I wouldn't consider him a villain per se since he's not evil. He's a concept beyond good an evil. And he's cool lookin.

I don't want to look at an interesting video. I just wanted a last boss that made sense to the game.

And he does come out of no where.

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AllegraD posted...

I don't want to look at an interesting video. I just wanted a last boss that made sense to the game.

And he does come out of no where.

Sorry that metaphors are lost on you.

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no worries!

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He literally does come out of nowhere just because he ties in to themes of death doesn't make him any less of an asspull

AsucaHayashi posted...

like i know the incredibly basic of basics but there's so much fantasy shit in between that delving into it apparently requires hours of reading wiki entries... per game.

It doesn't require this at all. All it requires is an attention span and basic reading comprehension.

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Yeah coming into 9 I was not expecting the game to focus so much on life and the fear of death.

Kuja's final moments where he admits he's just scared to die alone and Zidane stays by his side as he passes was really sweet

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Blue_Inigo posted...

Yeah coming into 9 I was not expecting the game to focus so much on life and the fear of death.

Kuja's final moments where he admits he's just scared to die alone and Zidane stays by his side as he passes was really sweet

Yeah...so sweet...to stay by the side of a mass murderer and genocidal maniac!

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"I didn't have a choice. I had to live. I wanted to come home to you. So...I sang your song."

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@AllegraD

Who in FF9 hurt you?

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Beatrix :(

X_O

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I mean yeah he did try to wipe out all life because his time was short but they knocked some sense into him at the end.

He was literally a child in an adult body

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Dark Messenger is top tier boss theme tbh.

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AllegraD posted...

Yeah...so sweet...to stay by the side of a mass murderer and genocidal maniac!

I have to agree with this the game tries to drum up sympathy for unsympathetic characters multiple times

CouldBeAnAlt posted...

He literally does come out of nowhere just because he ties in to themes of death doesn't make him any less of an asspull

I'm not really going to defend it more than I have. I can see why people wouldn't like it but I felt it was a good breath of fresh air vs the final villain growing 30 stories tall and sprouting 15 extra wings.

Would it have been less of an asspull if there were references to Necron in the game through books and dialouge? I think so. If FF9 ever gets a proper remake, I'd support that.

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Necron is fine

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https://youtu.be/KzXNx2XF6H8

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Lmao I forgot Necron said this. That movie did come out around this time

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CouldBeAnAlt posted...

He literally does come out of nowhere just because he ties in to themes of death doesn't make him any less of an asspull

This, really.

A giant, floating, neverbefore-mentioned metaphor isn't a great final boss, no matter how thematic it is.

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