Current Events > What is the best martial arts to learn if you want to fight?

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I think the ability to be able to fight is an important part of a man. If you don't you'll be taken advantage of in an walks of life. Even if you never have to use your fists, you will at least know that you are dominant against whoever is threatening you. With that said, I need your help. Where is a good place to start?
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BJJ, preferably from a school that can trace directly back to Gracie within 1 or 2 generations.

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I hear MMA & BJJ are good since most people don't know how to get out of grapples

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Krav Maga if you can find someone who teaches it, otherwise BJJ
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(Kick)boxing

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A skilled boxer will beat a pure grappler. Fights don't always go to the ground, and most boxers have seen enough MMA to know how to sprawl.

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You don't learn martial arts to fight. That's rule #1. You learn it so you don't have to fight but you are forced to defend yourself.

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Some of the best fighters in the world are routinely taken advantage of.


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For self defence? Probably something like Krav Maga that's developed specifically for the purpose. Most forms of martial arts are pretty ineffective in real world circumstances (yes, any type of martial art will give you an advantage over someone who isn't trained, but if that's the bar you can name literally anything.)

Orlando_Jordan posted...

A skilled boxer will beat a pure grappler. Fights don't always go to the ground, and most boxers have seen enough MMA to know how to sprawl.

Lol, wat.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

You don't learn martial arts to fight. That's rule #1. You learn it so you don't have to fight but you are forced to defend yourself.

I'm talking about if you're in an argument with someone, and you threatened to kick someone's ass. I kind of can't really do that if I don't know how. You might think "why would you do that" but look around, many guys do have to be tough. I want to be tough to be tough
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Lol, wat.

A BJJ guy is going to eat at least one jab while going in for a takedown, the boxer can sprawl, then uppercut. You'd have to be a black belt to beat a skilled boxer.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

I'm talking about if you're in an argument with someone, and you threatened to kick someone's ass. I kind of can't really do that if I don't know how. You might think "why would you do that" but look around, many guys do have to be tough. I want to be tough to be tough

Go buy a gun holster then lol

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

I'm talking about if you're in an argument with someone, and you threatened to kick someone's ass. I kind of can't really do that if I don't know how. You might think "why would you do that" but look around, many guys do have to be tough. I want to be tough to be tough

No.

Boxing and BJJ. And don't listen to anyone who says krav maga

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Perfectinsanity posted...

Boxing and BJJ. And don't listen to anyone who says krav maga

Anyone who says anything other than "don't learn martial arts to threaten people" is already wrong.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

I'm talking about if you're in an argument with someone, and you threatened to kick someone's ass. I kind of can't really do that if I don't know how. You might think "why would you do that" but look around, many guys do have to be tough. I want to be tough to be tough

No.

Yes, that is how the world works. Then need to know how to fight.
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The way I see it is this

BJJ is cool with grappling and taking things to the ground and all but if you engage with more than one guy, holding one while the others are beating the shit out of you isn't the ideal way to go about things.

Meanwhile with (kick)boxing, you'll probably still be screwed but you've got a better puncher's chance at knocking a dude or more out with one hit leaving you better chances with others. Not to mention the footwork, dodging/evading, and distance management.


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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Anyone who says anything other than "don't learn martial arts to threaten people" is already wrong.

Didn't read that. If TC wants to be a dummy and go around threatening people, he's not the kind of person that is going to be in any gym long enough to learn any martial art.


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If you had to pick one, go with muay thai. It has the most diverse kit. You'll pick up boxing techniques for your hands along with kicks, knees, and elbows. Also a good muay thai gym will have plenty of clinch work so you learn stand up grappling along with how to strike in the clinch.

If you're willing to learn more, pick up BJJ as a compliment so you have options on the ground.

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Perfectinsanity posted...

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Anyone who says anything other than "don't learn martial arts to threaten people" is already wrong.

Didn't read that. If TC wants to be a dummy and go around threatening people, he's not the kind of person that is going to be in any gym long enough to learn any martial art.

Walk around town. Go to bars. Watch tv. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the world you live in. People will threaten to kick your ass. What are you gonna do? Take it? And be weak?
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im 38 and never been in a fight that i remember. the only times ive been in fights i was blackout drunk and i dont drink anymore so im not worried about it

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Gun-fu

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Walk around town. Go to bars. Watch tv. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the world you live in. People will threaten to kick your ass. What are you gonna do? Take it? And be weak?

If people are constantly threatening to kick your ass, I think you're the problem.

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Perfectinsanity posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Walk around town. Go to bars. Watch tv. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the world you live in. People will threaten to kick your ass. What are you gonna do? Take it? And be weak?

If people are constantly threatening to kick your ass, I think you're the problem.

Oh so suddenly threatening to beat somebody up is my fault? Meanwhile you guys are saying in this thread that I shouldn't do the same? That's pretty hypocritical. I think you have killed your own credibility.
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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Walk around town. Go to bars. Watch tv. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the world you live in. People will threaten to kick your ass. What are you gonna do? Take it? And be weak?

You could try not giving a fuck about what other people think

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Walk around town. Go to bars. Watch tv. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the world you live in. People will threaten to kick your ass. What are you gonna do? Take it? And be weak?

You could try not giving a fuck about what other people think

I care about how others feel. I want respect from others and fighting will help with that. The security of being dominant. That's how the world is, you act like it isn't
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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Oh so suddenly threatening to beat somebody up is my fault? Meanwhile you guys are saying in this thread that I shouldn't do the same? That's pretty hypocritical. I think you have killed your own credibility.

Then I think you should go to a boxing or BJJ gym and tell the head trainer that you would like to learn how to fight so that you can threaten people. We'll see how badly you really want to learn. Nothing stopping you, most gyms offer free classes.

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Perfectinsanity posted...

Boxing and BJJ. And don't listen to anyone who says krav maga

If one wants to learn how to fight seriously, defense is the first building block. While it's not really a fighting style Krav Maga does build solid defense against the most common attacks. Then from there or BJJ I'd move to kickboxing or Muay Thai.
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Karate

Pretty much any competant training school will kick you out on your arse if you use your skills on people. They teach for sport not for being 'ard.

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Perfectinsanity posted...

Didn't read that. If TC wants to be a dummy and go around threatening people, he's not the kind of person that is going to be in any gym long enough to learn any martial art.

Also this

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Fizaga posted...

Pretty much any competant training school will kick you out on your arse if you use your skills on people. They teach for sport not for being 'ard.

Uh people fight all the time. You guys really need to brush up on this. Also please do define what you mean by the very last word in your sentence, I'm calling you out
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

A BJJ guy is going to eat at least one jab while going in for a takedown

I want to ask why you believe a single jab would stop a trained fighter mid-takedown, but it's already clear from the rest of your posts that you have no idea what you're talking about, so now I'm conflicted...

It kinda makes me sad that I agree with you that boxing would be the best thing for OP's situation.

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People in this topic: No one ever threatens people at all. Fighting never happens except in sports.
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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Uh people fight all the time. You guys really need to brush up on this. Also please do define what you mean by the very last word in your sentence, I'm calling you out

Disregard my last sentence in my last post, my dumb ass thought this was a serious topic.

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Human_Username posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Uh people fight all the time. You guys really need to brush up on this. Also please do define what you mean by the very last word in your sentence, I'm calling you out

Disregard my last sentence in my last post, my dumb ass thought this was a serious topic.

I know you're not being rude, so I will correct you. This is a serious thread. It is a request that I was asking this forum. Not a joke. I'm not sure why you think it is a joke, but I will ignore that part of it. I will give you the benefit of doubt and say this is a very serious thread
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Human_Username posted...

I want to ask why you believe a single jab would stop a trained fighter mid-takedown, but it's already clear from the rest of your posts that you have no idea what you're talking about, so now I'm conflicted...

It kinda makes me sad that I agree with you that boxing would be the best thing for OP's situation.

The uppercut is where the fight ends, not the jab, unless we're talking about someone like Mike Tyson.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

People in this topic: No one ever threatens people at all. Fighting never happens except in sports.

No one has said that. But your reason for wanting to learn to fight are misguided. If you have the mentality that YOU want to be the person going around threatening people and trying to physically impose your will on them, you will find out very quickly that is the wrong mentality.

Now, if you want to learn to fight to stop those situations where YOU feel threatened, that's a whole other story, and you already have plenty of answers here.

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Although CE apparently likes to shit on Fight Club these days, it was right about this:
Most people (normal people) will do just about anything to avoid a fight.

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Police statistics say 95% of street fights end up on the ground with a non insignificant portion of those fights involving pants being torn off.

So learn something with a lot of grappling & throwing since that's the most likely scenario.

If you mean fight as in competition then it doesn't matter. Learn whatever you think you'll be good at.

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Perfectinsanity posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

People in this topic: No one ever threatens people at all. Fighting never happens except in sports.

No one has said that. But your reason for wanting to learn to fight are misguided. If you have the mentality that YOU want to be the person going around threatening people and trying to physically impose your will on them, you will find out very quickly that is the wrong mentality.

Now, if you want to learn to fight to stop those situations where YOU feel threatened, that's a whole other story, and you already have plenty of answers here.

I agree that threatening isn't good, and I don't want to do that. But people do threaten to fight. "you want us to take this outside?" Or "say that one more time, and see what happens" do you hear those lines sometimes? I don't want to be the guy that initiates that, but I want fists is people think they can threaten me.
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gun fu

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TheLiarParadox posted...

Some of the best fighters in the world are routinely taken advantage of.

Huh?

There are whole subreddits dedicated to amateur boxers absolutely destroying muggers/thieves

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I've used judo to win a few bar fights when I was younger

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Bajiquan and judo

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Uh people fight all the time. You guys really need to brush up on this. Also please do define what you mean by the very last word in your sentence, I'm calling you out

It's just British slang for someone who thinks their tough.

I'm in my late 30's and the last time I got into a fight was in high school. Even the scary ass guys I knew growing up with haven't gotten into fights since they were kids either.

If you're experiencing "fighting all the time" outside of a sport then you need to find a better social circle.

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Fizaga posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Uh people fight all the time. You guys really need to brush up on this. Also please do define what you mean by the very last word in your sentence, I'm calling you out

It's just British slang for someone who thinks their tough.

I'm in my late 30's and the last time I got into a fight was in high school. Even the scary ass guys I knew growing up with haven't gotten into fights since they were kids either.

If you're experiencing "fighting all the time" outside of a sport then you need to find a better social circle.

Slang would be a saying. Fighting is fighting, fighting is not a slang. It's great that you haven't gotten in any fights, but why haven't you? Is it because you give in when somebody threatens you? Is it because you get intimidated by people who could dominate you? And most fights don't happen within a social circle, it's usually with a stranger
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Chunkey Simmons posted...

I agree that threatening isn't good, and I don't want to do that. But people do threaten to fight. "you want us to take this outside?" Or "say that one more time, and see what happens" do you hear those lines sometimes? I don't want to be the guy that initiates that, but I want fists is people think they can threaten me.

But the thing is, those kinds of confrontations are typically all talk and the kinds of people who actually take it outside tend to look like idiots. Not that it really happens unless you're seeking out the roughest places you can find.

If you want to learn to defend yourself thats fine, but even with this post, it's like you're wanting to throw your weight around.

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