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DoGCyN
01/18/21 12:05:04 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
I just assumed Necron was "God" or something
I think "Death" would be the closer comparison. Necron came in to wipe out existence because Kuja hated everything after finding out he was going to die. Necron just generalized living beings with Kuja and decided "lol yall gotta go".

Just a bad way to introduce a character.

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St0rmFury
01/18/21 12:09:49 PM
#53:


Necron literally came out of nowhere, but at least he was a challenging boss.

Vayne received a godly boost and was still a pushover.
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Spiritlittle
01/18/21 12:10:18 PM
#54:


Lmfao at anyone that says X. That's probably the best sequence of boss battles and epicness ever, along with a super satisfying conclusion.

Even though I voted 9 because Necron was ridiculous, I still think XII and VII are in the running. Vayne was an awful villain of an awful story and the battle was painfully anti-climatic. The Sephiroth fights were LAME. Great character, terrible final two battles.

Anyone that says Orphan just has a hate boner for XIII. That fight was great and had amazing music.

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DoGCyN
01/18/21 12:12:10 PM
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Spiritlittle posted...
The Sephiroth fights were LAME. Great character, terrible final two battle
Did you use KOTR?

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Spiritlittle
01/18/21 12:13:23 PM
#56:


DoGCyN posted...
Did you use KOTR?
Nope. Didn't even know KOTR existed When I first played the game. Beat him exclusively using 4X Cut. Incredibly easy fight.

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DoGCyN
01/18/21 12:15:08 PM
#57:


Spiritlittle posted...
Nope. Didn't even know KOTR existed When I first played the game. Beat him exclusively using 4X Cut. Incredibly easy fight.
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Panthera
01/18/21 12:16:44 PM
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I'm going to give it to Zeromus, there's zero storyline investment because he's just a generic shit that popped up at the end of the game and the fight itself is super boring, especially in the older versions where there was literally nothing to it, if you had the stats to just heal off his one attack he ever bothers to do you win because the only other thing he can do is counterattack every single thing Rydia does to punish you for being "dumb" enough to think that one of your party members (who is mandatory to be using) would be useful

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 12:17:38 PM
#59:


Spiritlittle posted...
Nope. Didn't even know KOTR existed When I first played the game. Beat him exclusively using 4X Cut. Incredibly easy fight.

If you grind everyone to level 99 he gets a tremendous boost to stats that makes him harder. You probably had high but not maxed levels when you fought him.

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DoGCyN
01/18/21 12:19:22 PM
#60:


Tyranthraxus posted...
If you grind everyone to level 99 he gets a tremendous boost to stats that makes him harder. You probably had high but not maxed levels when you fought him.
Seriously? If this is true, then I never knew it. Makes me want to bust it back out to test the theory

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 12:20:40 PM
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DoGCyN posted...
Seriously? If this is true, then I never knew it. Makes me want to bust it back out to test the theory
Ultimecia is the same way with level 100. Don't know if it applies to other games.

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Aysander
01/18/21 12:20:53 PM
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Another vote for Necron. Sure, books in the various areas in the game explain what exactly Necron is, but he still comes after we take down a showboating nihilist. The only proper ending to this game was two performers going against each other. A Solo Act vs the Troupe.

Seph is bad, Vayne may be a push over, but Necron. Fucked. With. The. Theme!

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philsov
01/18/21 12:29:34 PM
#63:


CouldBeAnAlt posted...
Yu Yevon is probably the worst for just being kind of pointless due to being unable to lose literally


If you don't have damage limit breaking weapons, no access to reflect, zombie, or even magic break* -- it's possible to never actually kill the guy in a horrid gameplay loop.

*or never think to use them because going to gamefaqs is for LOSERS and it's internet 1.0 era.
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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 12:31:05 PM
#64:


philsov posted...
If you don't have damage limit breaking weapons, no access to reflect, zombie, or even magic break* -- it's possible to never actually kill the guy in a horrid gameplay loop.

*or never think to use them because going to gamefaqs is for LOSERS and it's internet 1.0 era.

He dies instantly once you run out of summons.

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philsov
01/18/21 12:33:07 PM
#65:


Tyranthraxus posted...
He dies instantly once you run out of summons.


Aren't the summons mimics of your own? Which, theoretically, you could pimp the hell out and also not scratch if you neglected your party members?
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Cleo_II
01/18/21 12:33:11 PM
#66:


Yu Yevon for me

Necron is out of nowhere and shit from a plot perspective. But at least the fight is challenging and more enjoyable than Yu Yevon.
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Relient_K
01/18/21 12:33:14 PM
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I picked ff12 if only because it is one of the most forgettable fights in a game with a fair number of epic bosses (even if the game is kind of dull). Hes not hard, doesn't really have a gimmick to set him apart, and the story of the game was kind of irrelevant.

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EmbraceOfDeath
01/18/21 12:53:52 PM
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Vayne. The fight and the entire final dungeon are just incredibly boring. He also needed more screentime throughout the game, because his philosophy was interesting, but we don't get to see much of it from him and it makes him seem really shallow. Same for Venat.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 12:56:30 PM
#70:


EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Vayne. The fight and the entire final dungeon are just incredibly boring. He also needed more screentime throughout the game, because his philosophy was interesting, but we don't get to see much of it from him and it makes him seem really shallow. Same for Venat.
Vayne ultimately accomplished what he wanted in the end. Without the Dawn / Dusk shards the occuria had no way to manipulate the direction of human civilisation.

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Panthera
01/18/21 12:57:14 PM
#71:


philsov posted...
If you don't have damage limit breaking weapons, no access to reflect, zombie, or even magic break* -- it's possible to never actually kill the guy in a horrid gameplay loop.

*or never think to use them because going to gamefaqs is for LOSERS and it's internet 1.0 era.

No it isn't. Worst case scenario you just wait until he reduces himself to low enough health for you to finish off.

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SpaceBear_
01/18/21 1:00:37 PM
#72:


Ultimecia easily.

Necron came out of nowhere, sure. But Ultimecia wasn't even hinted at until near the final act and we're supposed to believe she was pulling the strings the whole time. She did nothing, but "add" to a plot that was dead in the water anyway.

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Spiritlittle
01/18/21 1:01:13 PM
#73:


SpaceBear_ posted...
Ultimecia easily.

Necron came out of nowhere, sure. But Ultimecia wasn't even hinted at until near the final act and we're supposed to believe she was pulling the strings the whole time. She did nothing, but "add" to a plot that was dead in the water anyway.
She's literally hinted at in disc 1...

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Fluttershy
01/18/21 1:01:57 PM
#74:


She's literally hinted at in disc 1...

yeah that one guy in balamb sneezes and coughs at the same time and it sounds like 'ultimecia'
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DoGCyN
01/18/21 1:05:18 PM
#75:


SpaceBear_ posted...
Ultimecia easily.

Necron came out of nowhere, sure. But Ultimecia wasn't even hinted at until near the final act and we're supposed to believe she was pulling the strings the whole time. She did nothing, but "add" to a plot that was dead in the water anyway.
Not wholly correct. She's introduced at the end of Disc 2, where then it ties the plot together as to who was pulling the strings. She is then the primary enemy for the rest of the game. We can agree that the plot twist was bad, but the plot as a whole in and of itself was all about stopping Sorcerers, or rather, keeping them contained. Ultimecia played a very big part in that.

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NightRender
01/18/21 1:27:17 PM
#76:


Even if you don't think Ultimecia is a good character, she was a great final boss. The gimmicks of possibly fighting her with some of your abilities sealed, and not being to select your 3 characters is a pretty fun "puzzle."

Also, her forms escalate in a novel way and have some pretty sick music playing too.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 2:11:44 PM
#77:


Ultimecia treads on space flea territory but she's still more well developed than Zeromus.

Necron is far worse Zeromus despite being the original space flea.

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DoGCyN
01/18/21 2:24:30 PM
#78:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Necron is far worse Zeromus despite being the original space flea.
Whats Space Flea mean? I have the feeling it's from some TV show that I'm unaware of.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 2:30:32 PM
#79:


DoGCyN posted...
Whats Space Flea mean? I have the feeling it's from some TV show that I'm unaware of.

@Tyranthraxus

Warning: potential spoilers for lots of stuff, try not to scroll too far down.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere

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ChrisTaka
01/18/21 2:31:19 PM
#80:


DoGCyN posted...
Whats Space Flea mean? I have the feeling it's from some TV show that I'm unaware of.

A space flea is a term for a boss, usually a final boss, that came out of nowhere.


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DoGCyN
01/18/21 2:31:42 PM
#81:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Warning: potential spoilers for lots of stuff, try not to scroll too far down.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere

ChrisTaka posted...
A space flea is a term for a boss, usually a final boss, that came out of nowhere.
Thank you

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/18/21 2:32:54 PM
#82:


Necron was stupid plotwise, but a fun fight that really made you use all your strongest abilities.

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MajesticFerret
01/18/21 3:28:05 PM
#83:


Damn, how is Necron losing so badly?

Necron is a perfectly fine final boss. Kuja commiting suicide and wiping out everything with Ultima only for you to fight some primordial being that is the anti-thesis of life itself is badass. Plus, you don't ever technically defeat Necron, he states as long as there is life he will always exist, he just acknowledges life's will to keep existing and lets you live. It's not that left field when you consider this is a universe where a magical crystal literally controls all life on a planet, so destroying said crystal summoning some divine being isn't too wild.

Also, the boss music alone is too good for it to be ranked last. Same with Trance Kuja, since we're grouping them together.

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FLOUR
01/18/21 3:29:47 PM
#84:


My vote goes to that dude in a wheelchair with a crossbow.

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Dingydang166
01/18/21 3:35:54 PM
#85:


MajesticFerret posted...
Damn, how is Necron losing so badly?

Necron is a perfectly fine final boss. Kuja commiting suicide and wiping out everything with Ultima only for you to fight some primordial being that is the anti-thesis of life itself is badass. Plus, you don't ever technically defeat Necron, he states as long as there is life he will always exist, he just acknowledges life's will to keep existing and lets you live. It's not that left field when you consider this is a universe where a magical crystal literally controls all life on a planet, so destroying said crystal summoning some divine being isn't too wild.

Also, the boss music alone is too good for it to be ranked last. Same with Trance Kuja, since we're grouping them together.

No dude, it's FF9. I am the biggest fucking final fantasy ween you will ever meetand I would defend every single FF with my dying breath and would commit monstrous acts of world ending cruelty just to see a FF8 and FF9 remake. And would rip out my own eyes if it meant that before I did i got to watch a FFT remake trailer.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 3:41:53 PM
#87:


mobilebloechel posted...
I haven't played FF3 in about...17 years, so forgive me if I get these names wrong, but I hated the Kefka fight because IIRC you could have the offering and gengi glove on terra with that super sword...Altma? And kill him with one attack.

Only the final form. That's discounting the other 9 parts you have to kill leading up to him all in one fight without a rest.

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lzual
01/18/21 3:42:22 PM
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FF9. Kinda was good but Necron was just wtf added on for no reason.

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electricbugs2
01/18/21 3:45:12 PM
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Its funny that Hironobu Sakaguchi goes gaga for 9 when it seems that the general opinion is that it has some of the worst shit in the series.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 3:46:48 PM
#90:


electricbugs2 posted...
Its funny that Hironobu Sakaguchi goes gaga for 9 when it seems that the general opinion is that it has some of the worst shit in the series.

9 in general is one of the best and the best on playstation 1 and 2 combined. Only Necron is stupid.


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cymbaline
01/18/21 3:47:29 PM
#91:


Zeromus from FF4

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electricbugs2
01/18/21 3:49:38 PM
#93:


Tyranthraxus posted...
9 in general is one of the best and the best on playstation 1 and 2 combined. Only Necron is stupid.
Its finished runner up in three worst categories. I know CE isnt everyone but still.

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Dingydang166
01/18/21 3:59:11 PM
#94:


electricbugs2 posted...
Its finished runner up in three worst categories. I know CE isnt everyone but still.

The only see 2 others. One worst plot twist, which is also just because of Necron. And the other one is the worst optional boss but it also reads difficult too so that doesn't mean people only think Ozma is the "worst" since Ozma is notoriously a difficult boss.
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KeeperOfShadows
01/18/21 4:03:52 PM
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I'll say Yu Yevon. Very pointless fight.

As bad as Necron was, at least I still cared about what was happening at the time.

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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 4:04:58 PM
#96:


KeeperOfShadows posted...
I'll say Yu Yevon. Very pointless fight.

As bad as Necron was, at least I still cared about what was happening at the time.
Yu Yevon isn't a boss it's an unlosable plot fight.

This is like saying the final boss of FF7 is a 1vs1 fight with Sephiroth.

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DoGCyN
01/18/21 4:06:55 PM
#97:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Yu Yevon isn't a boss it's an unlosable plot fight.

This is like saying the final boss of FF7 is a 1vs1 fight with Sephiroth.
lol

On that note, I think you can actually lose that fight. I remember doing nothing in that fight on a playthrough and Sephiroth attacked me. I had counter attack materia, so I unfortunately countered and that one hit ended him. But what if I didn't have counter and just sat there?

I've never tried it again.

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Dingydang166
01/18/21 4:10:25 PM
#98:


DoGCyN posted...
lol

On that note, I think you can actually lose that fight. I remember doing nothing in that fight on a playthrough and Sephiroth attacked me. I had counter attack materia, so I unfortunately countered and that one hit ended him. But what if I didn't have counter and just sat there?

I've never tried it again.

Nope. Even if you do nothing Cloud eventually just takes control of his life and omnislashes Seph without player input.
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Tyranthraxus
01/18/21 4:10:40 PM
#99:


DoGCyN posted...
lol

On that note, I think you can actually lose that fight. I remember doing nothing in that fight on a playthrough and Sephiroth attacked me. I had counter attack materia, so I unfortunately countered and that one hit ended him. But what if I didn't have counter and just sat there?

I've never tried it again.

You can't have materia for that fight the game automatically unequips it all just before it starts. So your experience is actually the same for everyone.

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Panthera
01/18/21 4:11:07 PM
#100:


You can't actually lose that fight, it's scripted so that even if you wait, he will attack and do a set percentage of your health, and you will automatically counter attack to kill him

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DeathVelvien
01/18/21 4:13:26 PM
#101:


Look, FFIX is my favorite game in the series, but Necron was trash. Bonus points for how the final Kuja fight ends.

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