Current Events > Did Italians really only get tomato sauce after the discovery of the new world?

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Duncanwii
12/28/20 6:20:27 PM
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I've been reading that tomatos are a new world food but I'm sceptical about this info.
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Chicken
12/28/20 6:21:33 PM
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Cant believe they went literal centuries eating their spaghetti without sauce until then.

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Pogo_Marimo
12/28/20 6:22:03 PM
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...THIS is the thing you're skeptical of? Out of all the hair-brained nonsense you've subjected this board to without hesitation?

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Veggeta X
12/28/20 6:22:19 PM
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brestugo
12/28/20 6:22:45 PM
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Yes. Tomatoes are a New World fruit.

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VipaGTS
12/28/20 6:22:50 PM
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lol why would you be skeptical about this?

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Wii_Shaker
12/28/20 6:23:31 PM
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Chicken posted...
Cant believe they went literal centuries eating their spaghetti without sauce until then.

Literally the only reason that white sauce exists.

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Tyranthraxus
12/28/20 6:28:46 PM
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Before Marinara sauce Italians made pasta "al olio" or some other method. "White sauce" / Alfredo was invented a few hundred years after they already had tomatoes.

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VipaGTS
12/28/20 6:29:59 PM
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yea, not all pasta is tossed in tomato sauce.

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JBaLLEN66
12/28/20 6:31:09 PM
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Italy as a country is newer than the US. Italian food varies upon region

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Duncanwii
12/28/20 6:31:51 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
Italy as a country is newer than the US

But the Roman Empire was italian.
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DeadBankerDream
12/28/20 6:32:58 PM
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Duncanwii posted...


But the Roman Empire was italian.

This is the dumbest thing you've said in a while.
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VipaGTS
12/28/20 6:33:31 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
But the Roman Empire was italian.
i.....Duncan....

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Jiek_Fafn
12/28/20 6:35:18 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
...THIS is the thing you're skeptical of? Out of all the hair-brained nonsense you've subjected this board to without hesitation?
This made me laugh more than it should have

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One_Day_Remains
12/28/20 8:48:19 PM
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Duncanwii posted...


But the Roman Empire was italian.


I might just sig this lmao
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Mistere Man
12/28/20 8:50:43 PM
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I hear there was another thing that looked like tomatoes but was poisonous so people didnt trust tomatoes at first, but I could be remembering incorrectly.

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FrankJaegr
12/28/20 8:51:43 PM
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Tomatoes werent born later, they were born way earlier but only around the time Goodfellas started
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itachi15243
12/28/20 8:55:38 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
Italy as a country is newer than the US. Italian food varies upon region

Sure the current italy is

That's kinda like saying japan was only really japan until after ww2 though

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xue1
12/28/20 9:10:39 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
I hear there was another thing that looked like tomatoes but was poisonous so people didnt trust tomatoes at first, but I could be remembering incorrectly.

Tomatoes were a member of the nightshade family. Nightshade is poisonous. That is why the USA didn't eat them like the Mexicans did
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Mistere Man
12/28/20 9:17:28 PM
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xue1 posted...
Tomatoes were a member of the nightshade family. Nightshade is poisonous. That is why the USA didn't eat them like the Mexicans did
And Horse Nettle which is also in that family looks like tomatoes a bit.

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Stagmar
12/28/20 9:38:49 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
I hear there was another thing that looked like tomatoes but was poisonous so people didnt trust tomatoes at first, but I could be remembering incorrectly.
Pretty well everything in the Nightshade family that isnt tomatoes has poisonous fruit including potatoes.

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Mistere Man
12/28/20 9:40:48 PM
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Stagmar posted...
Pretty well everything in the Nightshade family that isnt tomatoes has poisonous fruit including potatoes.
That is really Interesting thank you. Sorry I love learning new things, well until I forget them.

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Lord_Shadow
12/28/20 9:41:37 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
But the Roman Empire was italian.
Lmao

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Bio1590
12/28/20 9:44:52 PM
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Fun fact: the word "pizza" is actually older than the concept of what we know as pizza.
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PoundGarden
12/28/20 9:47:31 PM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
Literally the only reason that white sauce exists.

And now that we have red sauce white sauce can go right back to Hell where it belongs

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SaltyWet
12/28/20 9:47:47 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
It's weird that Native Americans didn't have horses.
No, but they had MASTODON

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JBaLLEN66
12/28/20 9:50:05 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Sure the current italy is

That's kinda like saying japan was only really japan until after ww2 though

Japan was unified in 1590, Italy has always been fragmented and a bunch of city states or areas owned by other kingdoms that wasnt United til the late 1800s when it became cool to unify

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JBaLLEN66
12/28/20 9:51:33 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
But the Roman Empire was italian.

no it wasnt lol

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Vampire_Wreath
12/28/20 9:53:19 PM
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DD Divine
12/28/20 9:53:50 PM
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Did you know most Italian dishes are fish based?

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Duncanwii
12/28/20 9:56:34 PM
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Fishstick posted...


No one really thinks like this do they??

I mean Rome is the capital of Italy so it's easy to just assume...
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Bio1590
12/28/20 9:59:37 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
It's weird that Native Americans didn't have horses.

It's even nuttier when you consider horses originated in North America in the first place
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E32005
12/28/20 10:02:09 PM
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pesto was far more common, as well as other fish sauces.

basil
olive oil
parmigiano reggiano

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DD Divine
12/28/20 10:05:15 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
oh now you've done it

well of course its a fruit. It has seeds

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Ryan__Leaf
12/28/20 10:06:29 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
And now that we have red sauce white sauce can go right back to Hell where it belongs

Spaghetti actually goes much better with oil and garlic (spaghettic ali olio, the most popular spaghetti dish in Italy) than anything else.

Tomato sauces go better with tube noodles like ziti or rigatoni which are much better at holding a tomato sauce.

Heavy cream and cheese based white sauces go best with flat long noodles, like fettuccini alfredo.

Spaghetti with marinara, meat sauce or meatballs is a very Americanized thing I believe.

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12/28/20 10:07:13 PM
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SPE
12/28/20 10:08:56 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
But the Roman Empire was italian.

you do know that at one point the Roman Empire extended all the way to England, right? France? Spain? They were all Rome.

do you really think Caesar ate baguettes, fish & chips and tapas?

lmao @Duncanwii

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JBaLLEN66
12/28/20 10:15:27 PM
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E32005 posted...
pesto was far more common, as well as other fish sauces.

basil
olive oil
parmigiano reggiano


mmmmmmm

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synth_real
12/28/20 10:25:50 PM
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Stagmar posted...
Pretty well everything in the Nightshade family that isnt tomatoes has poisonous fruit including potatoes.
Actually, there's plenty of nightshades with edible fruits. All peppers, eggplants, and a few varieties of edible berries are members of the nightshade family.

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kingdrake2
12/28/20 10:57:30 PM
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SPE posted...
do you really think Caesar ate baguettes, fish & chips and tapas?


yes he did :(. going to go along with it anyway.
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HannibalBarca3
12/28/20 10:58:57 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
But the Roman Empire was italian.
It was Latinx

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brestugo
12/28/20 11:04:11 PM
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HannibalBarca3 posted...
It was Latinx
+1


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Stagmar
12/28/20 11:09:29 PM
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synth_real posted...
Actually, there's plenty of nightshades with edible fruits. All peppers, eggplants, and a few varieties of edible berries are members of the nightshade family.
Oops. I was thinking of the ones whose fruit look like tomatoes, but some of the edible berries do too.

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Tyranthraxus
12/29/20 12:49:41 AM
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Ryan__Leaf posted...
Spaghetti with marinara, meat sauce or meatballs is a very Americanized thing I believe.

Meat sauce itself "ragu" is italian but there's definitely an american version of it that isn't anything at all like real ragu and not to be confused with the ragu brand of jarred sauce.

Spaghetti with meatballs is definitely american and although you can find it in italy nobody really eats it that way. Italian "spaghetti and meatballs" is more like a bowl of spaghetti and a separate bowl of just huge ass meatballs that you eat by themselves or with scarpetta.

And idk what the fuck this is but I hate it.



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Duncanwii
12/29/20 12:51:04 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...


Meat sauce itself "ragu" is italian but there's definitely an american version of it that isn't anything at all like real ragu and not to be confused with the ragu brand of jarred sauce.

Spaghetti with meatballs is definitely american and although you can find it in italy nobody really eats it that way. Italian "spaghetti and meatballs" is more like a bowl of spaghetti and a separate bowl of just huge ass meatballs that you eat by themselves or with scarpetta.

And idk what the fuck this is but I hate it.



I'm sorry but that looks delicious.
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Tyranthraxus
12/29/20 12:51:58 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
I'm sorry but that looks delicious.

You are why we can't have nice things.

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MedeaLysistrata
12/29/20 12:52:26 AM
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When Duncan goes to Subway on Tuesday, he orders in Latin

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