Current Events > What's worse, Star Wars 1-3 or Star Wars 7-9

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Doom_Art posted...

yea i can't think of a legitimately bad performance in the ST from any of the main cast

This is the singular thing that makes the ST tolerable and the PT unbearable in my eyes. The ST's disappointing character arcs, pointless casino sidequests, and overall trainwreck that was TRoS are a lot easier to tolerate with the core cast being played by likeable actors trying their best to spin shit into gold, or at least rolling with the punches in a way that I found endearing. On the other hand, key moments in the PT that should have otherwise been monumental were absolutely ruined by robotic dialogue and lifelessly-delivered lines, oftentimes from otherwise-great actors. Which in my book goes to show that Lucas is of greatest benefit to the franchise when he's not in the director's chair.


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Master Kazuya posted...

Stop smoking so much pot, you keep forgetting your post

I wouldn't have to keep making it if people didn't keep demonstrating it over and over.
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Going with the prequels.

The sequels are at least entertaining to watch the whole way through (they just fall apart if you start thinking about it) but the prequels, especially Episode 2, bored me incredibly.
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At least the prequels had an overarching story that was planned and coherent from a creative executive that had a passion.

The sequels were just a bunch of random fan fiction that made no sense, didn't know what they were doing, and was made by by a bunch of different people not working together, led by a woman at the helm who apparently had no interest in creating a cohesive grand story.
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spanky1 posted...

Thankyou


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spanky1 posted...

At least the prequels had an overarching story that was planned and coherent from a creative executive that had a passion.

I feel like that doesn't really matter in the end if everything else falls flat and you fail you keep your audience interested.
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So this is what a vocal minority looks like

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Master Kazuya posted...

So this is what a vocal minority looks like

I think the general public would certainly rank the prequels worse than they would the sequels

spanky1 posted...

At least the prequels had an overarching story that was planned and coherent from a creative executive that had a passion.

That doesn't mean a ton if the finished product is boring and poorly directed

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Socrawheeze posted...

I think the general public would certainly rank the prequels worse than they would the sequels

Uh no

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spanky1 posted...

At least the prequels had an overarching story that was planned and coherent from a creative executive that had a passion.

The prequels are rather famously an incoherent mess, and even less planned out than the sequels. The overarching story is also hard to parse out because some 90% of the first two movies feels like a diversion.

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It's not a very good overarching story if you can cut out half the content from the films to get to the actual plot

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Socrawheeze posted...

I think the general public would certainly rank the prequels worse than they would the sequels

I think the prequels are worse, but I don't think the general public would agree.

Mostly due to the sequels still being fresh, the apathy towards Disney as a corporation, and there's probably a lot of adults have blind nostalgia for the prequels (and also how vitriolic the hate for the sequels has been).

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Master Kazuya posted...

So this is what a vocal minority looks like

...to thunderous applause.
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Socrawheeze posted...

I think the general public would certainly rank the prequels worse than they would the sequels

Master Kazuya posted...

So this is what a vocal minority looks like

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Don't project, TC. It's beneath you.

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Doom_Art posted...

Don't project, TC. It's beneath you.

Ah yes getting personal now, right on track

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The prequels had bad dialogue/acting but a mostly coherent story where you could tell there was a definitive plan for the whole trilogy.

The sequels had good acting but an incoherent story where you could tell there was absolutely no plan for the whole trilogy.

I'd rather rewatch the entire PT than the ST, but the ST still had a lot of insanely cool moments.

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Master Kazuya posted...

Ah yes getting personal now, right on track

...?


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I think the prequels are overall worse, with the caveat that 9 beats out 2 for the worst film of the whole shebang. What a pile of shit that movie was.

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Doom_Art posted...

It's not a very good overarching story if you can cut out half the content from the films to get to the actual plot

Then you can eliminate almost everything in TFA and TLJ

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the sequel nut huggers are making me feel sick to my stomach rn

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Ya really gonna sit here and act like the prequels aren't reviled by anyone other than redditors and diehards lol

Anyone wanna mention the lightsaber battles? 1-3 clearly has the best saber battles of the entire series. The newest movies were kind of pathetic in comparison.

MrToothHasYou posted...

I think the prequels are overall worse, with the caveat that 9 beats out 2 for the worst film of the whole shebang. What a pile of shit that movie was.

This is pretty much a draw for me, since I tried to rewatch both recently and couldn't be arsed to finish either.

I guess the difference is that I have no desire to revisit episodes 2, 3, and 9, so the ST has the PT beat by 1 in terms of watchable movies (I still have a bit of nostalgia for Ep 1 being one of the first big-budget CGI spectacles I ever watched).

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littlebro07 posted...

The sequels had good acting but an incoherent story where you could tell there was absolutely no plan for the whole trilogy.

I keep thinking of Daisy Ridley's interview where she said Abrams went up to her on the set of RoS and said "Palpatine's your granddaddy!", and then a couple of weeks later told her "actually, no, we're not sure".

Like, I think most of what Disney has done with the franchise has been great, but you would think the sequel trilogy would take priority creatively, but no. Contrasted with the MCU - which was planned and written years in advance - how was the sequel trilogy THAT mismanaged?

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Ride of the Skywalker or whatever is potentially the worst movie in the entire franchise, but even though Last Jedi was bad, it was still a better movie than all the prequels. Force Awakens was pretty good. So overall the sequel trilogy has some redeeming features and so is easily, even if not hugely so, better than the prequels.
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JTilly posted...

the sequel nut huggers are making me feel sick to my stomach rn

This is what it looks like when you know you're wrong but are powerless to stop if.

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JTilly posted...

the sequel nut huggers are making me feel sick to my stomach rn

IDK who's nut hugging the sequels. I do know that the prequels are unwatchably bad. All 3 of them. The sequels have at least one watchable movie

AP3Brain posted...

1-3 clearly has the best saber battles of the entire series.

Ehhhhh I tend to agree with the they were over-choreographed crowd. The Luke vs Vader fights in Empire and RotJ are my personal favorites, although the throne room scene in TLJ was pretty good, but not technically a saber-vs-saber battle.


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AP3Brain posted...

Anyone wanna mention the lightsaber battles? 1-3 clearly has the best saber battles of the entire series. The newest movies were kind of pathetic in comparison.

Duel of the Fates is wonderful, but aside from that most of them are either not choreographed well or devolve into a bit of an overproduced mess like the Battle of Heroes.

Don't get me wrong I love the Anakin/Obi fight in 3 but beyond a certain point when they're just twirling and jumping and swing on ropes all around it all starts to get silly.

The duel in 7, the throne room battle in 8, and any of the duels in 9 are pretty damn cool.

Like I dislike 9 quite a bit but it had some damn cool fights

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I remember more from the prequel trilogy than from the sequel trilogy and I only watched either when they were released.

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The two best lightsaber fights in the franchise are Luke vs Vader in Return and Kylo vs Finn and Rey in Force Awakens.
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My favorite lightsaber duel in the whole series is the one where Hayden Christensen and Christopher Lee are standing still while lights are flashing.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

The two best lightsaber fights in the franchise are Luke vs Vader in Return and Kylo vs Finn and Rey in Force Awakens.

I got a real soft spot for that fight in 7

some nice, physical, brutal saber combat where you feel every single strike

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Socrawheeze posted...

IDK who's nut hugging the sequels. I do know that the prequels are unwatchably bad. All 3 of them. The sequels have at least one watchable movie

Revenge of the Sith is way better than all of the sequel movies.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

My favorite lightsaber duel in the whole series is the one where Hayden Christensen and Christopher Lee are standing still while lights are flashing.

That and the Obi-Wan vs Jango fight are two examples of some of the worst fight choreography and editing I've seen in a mainstream film

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DeadBankerDream posted...

The two best lightsaber fights in the franchise are Luke vs Vader in Return and Kylo vs Finn and Rey in Force Awakens.

Damn...How can one statement be so wrong...

AP3Brain posted...

Damn...How can one statement be so wrong...

I dunno, I'll tell you when I experience being wrong.
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I enjoyed 7-9 more than most. TFA was one of my favorites in the entire saga *but* I might still say theyre worse solely based off TLJ. I hated that in every way possible.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Revenge of the Sith is way better than all of the sequel movies.

Don't sit here and lie just because you don't like the sequels. RotS has nothing, literally nothing redeeming about it. Boring and flat start to finish.

JTilly posted...

the sequel nut huggers are making me feel sick to my stomach rn

Who's nut hugging them? Anyone who isn't outright bashing the hell out of them and think the prequels are worse?

Also, it's just fucking movies about space wizards anyway, lmao.
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I honestly have no idea.

The Sequel movies are by far more competently made, but Revenge of the Sith is the most entertaining movie for me personally out of any of the 6.

Then again I havent seen any movies from the sequel trilogy in a minute.

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I chose 7-9.

I only ever saw The Phantom Menace and The Force Awakens. I thought TPM was convoluted and awkward as shit but it at least did something different. TFA had a terribly written story, one dimensional characters, and way too much fan service in the form of forced jokes and comments for the sake of tying it in to previous movies. Oh and lol death star 3.0

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Socrawheeze posted...

Don't sit here and lie just because you don't like the sequels. RotS has nothing, literally nothing redeeming about it. Boring and flat start to finish.

'It was dark' and 'the memes' seem to be the two main pillars that have inexplicably elevated RotS into 'actually it's a good movie' status in certain peoples' eyes.

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The revenge of the sith defense force is honestly baffling to me. Literally the only thing that sets it apart from the other prequels is that its more dark and brooding, which I feel like a lot of defenders would call out for the nonsense it is if it was in another franchise.

Like, do you honestly think that the origin story of Darth Vader we see in the film is in any way remotely satisfying to the man we see in the original films? What was it that did it for you? Was it the CGI ballet fighting he did over a river of lava for 47 hours? Was it the pathetic snake biting his own tail Padme gonna die prophecy that was written with the subtlety of a primary school creative writing assignment? Was it the off screen murder of the younglings? Was it the big no at the end of the film?

It's complete garbage that for some absolutely absurd reason gets elevated beyond the two complete garbages that precedes it.
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masterpug53 posted...

'It was dark' and 'the memes' seem to be the two main pillars that have elevated RotS into 'actually it's a good movie' status in certain peoples' eyes.

As someone who really doesn't like the prequel movies as much, Episode 3 is at least the best of the three because it has better pacing and more is happening. Episode 1 and Episode 2 have a lot of nothing. Episode 2 especially felt like it dragged endlessly even though it's not much longer than the other two.
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masterpug53 posted...

'It was dark' and 'the memes' seem to be the two main pillars that have inexplicably elevated RotS into 'actually it's a good movie' status in certain peoples' eyes.

i just thought it was the 5 year olds who saw it are now the dominant internet presence so of course the tides changed

but i was like 13 when I first saw it and still bored outta my mind. Hell, 6 yo me was bored on ep1. IDK how anyone grew up to like the prequels. Maybe some of the good clone war era media tricked people into thinking the prequels were good by association?

Socrawheeze posted...

Maybe some of the good clone war era media tricked people into thinking the prequels were good by association?

I feel like this is it. Even some people who defend the prequels are like "look what spawned from it."

Sure, other people did service to the prequel era much better, but that still doesn't make the movies themselves any good.
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Doom_Art posted...

It's not a very good overarching story if you can cut out half the content from the films to get to the actual plot

I mean, shit, you can cut literally the entirety of TPM and not lose anything.
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