Current Events > So are any "girl power" scenes allowed now?

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

They werent really posing though, the just all came to that one place and then started walking forward.

They were standing around perfectly in frame not doing anything while the men were actually fighting lol. Like how can you justify that during a battle that's already going on?

If you want a female power scene, have them be useful AND THEN have the scene

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CaptainMarvel95 posted...

https://youtu.be/fP2w_UAK6B4?t=72

Why are you not complaining about this?

Nice pivot. I accept your defeat.

Whataboutism lol

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EffectAndCause posted...

Because I always thought the scene in Return Of The King where the leader of the ring wraiths is like You1like I am no man and stabs him in the face was pretty awesome.

That scene was actually in the book, too. It wasn't just a Hollywood feminist thing. Published in 1950-something.

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It makes them seem like "oh yeah the girls did something. Yay. Now back to the dudes 90% of time"

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LordMarshal posted...

It makes them seem like "oh yeah the girls did something. Yay. Now back to the dudes 90% of time"

Aw you care about the female characters, how sweet. /s

WizardPowers posted...

They were standing around perfectly in frame not doing anything while the men were actually fighting lol. Like how can you justify that during a battle that's already going on?

If you want a female power scene, have them be useful AND THEN have the scene

That wouldnt make sense, in all the comics books that Ive read (and Ive read like 3) they all stand up in a line together with their hands on their hips

thats like THE scene that needs to happen in a movie called the AVENGERS

and tbh, I bet the phrase AVENGERS ASSEMBLE was probably created with an image in mind of something like this

like you put that in a comic book thats exactly what it wouldve looked like >_>

WizardPowers posted...

They were standing around perfectly in frame not doing anything while the men were actually fighting lol. Like how can you justify that during a battle that's already going on?

If you want a female power scene, have them be useful AND THEN have the scene

For a few seconds, Im just really not seeing the problem. There are plenty of moments in all the movies where characters are in the middle of fights yet arent doing anything because theres dialogue or whatever. When Thor appears in Wakanda in Infinity War there are several characters just standing around doing nothing while he gets his moment.

Im just not seeing why that matters in this one scene but not in countless other Marvel films. They briefly stop the action to highlight something other than people fighting, its pretty standard by the time you get to Endgame.

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If you want to post a source of Cap doing the Avengers Assemble line AFTER team members died and he showed up late and didn't help I'll take a look at it.

That would be equally stupid though

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CaptainMarvel95 posted...

Aw you care about the female characters, how sweet. /s

Its like this comment. It didnt add anything yet its trying to make it seem like you had a good retort. You didnt. Now back to the topic at hand like it never happened.

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FrankJaegr posted...

That wouldnt make sense, in all the comics books that Ive read (and Ive read like 3) they all stand up in a line together with their hands on their hips

thats like THE scene that needs to happen in a movie called the AVENGERS

and tbh, I bet the phrase AVENGERS ASSEMBLE was probably created with an image in mind of something like this

like you put that in a comic book thats exactly what it wouldve looked like >_>

Well thats something Cap has said in the comics for decades. Kind of similar to Autobots, roll out! Fans were waiting for that line to actually be said in one of the Avengers films. They teased it at the end of Age of Ultron but then cut to the credits before he actually says it.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

For a few seconds, Im just really not seeing the problem. There are plenty of moments in all the movies where characters are in the middle of fights yet arent doing anything because theres dialogue or whatever. When Thor appears in Wakanda in Infinity War there are several characters just standing around doing nothing while he gets his moment.

Im just not seeing why that matters in this one scene but not in countless other Marvel films. They briefly stop the action to highlight something other than people fighting, its pretty standard by the time you get to Endgame.

Because like a character dying in a war, here comes the calvary moments are fine to freeze time for and give attention to in film.

But when youre stopping to promote a social point, it better be hyperbolic to be funny, or be done naturally.

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More movies should have them and try to do them well

Sticking up for Endgame's just makes you look like a hack though lol. You can't say that was done well. You're letting the cause you support skew your perception on this one

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Because like a character dying in a war, here comes the calvary moments are fine to freeze time for and give attention to in film.

But when youre stopping to promote a social point, it better be hyperbolic to be funny, or be done naturally.

Isnt Captain Marvel the cavalry in this case? I mean right before that Cap literally asks her for an assist.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

But if a MAN does it its appropriate, HMMM?!

If it a man does it, it's so cool. If it's a girl, CRINGEEEEEE but I'm not a misogynist.

CasualGuy posted...

More movies should have them and try to do them well

Sticking up for Endgame's just makes you look like a hack though lol. You can't say that was done well. You're letting the cause you support skew your perception on this one

Ive always said it was obvious, I just dont get why so many people seem to have a problem with it. I mean the way I look at it, if a little girl sees that moment and goes Yay girl power then it had its intended effect. Not really sure why it should bother me as a guy.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Anything disrupting the flow of the medium to prove a point is generally seen as bad.

Seems like a pretty fine line to me.

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InhumaneRaider posted...

The hell is Okoye going to help with?

Captain Marvel clearly would have been stopped in her tracks if Okoye had not stabbed that one small alien with her spear.

WizardPowers posted...

Nice pivot. I accept your defeat.

LOL

Or you can actually grow up, be a man (which you obviously value), and admit that you didn't actually refute anything.

Given your deflection there, I really don't think you're the kind of person who should be highlighting others' logical fallacies.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Well thats something Cap has said in the comics for decades

Thats what I mean, Im sure huge fans were waiting to see that specific scene after all the movies and comics make this imagine of finally, FINALLY all of them get together and lo and behold

they end up doing just that

I didnt even watch all the Captain America ones or the Thor ones >_>

I just wanted to watch that one scene tbh and as a result I went back and watched the whole saga

LordMarshal posted...

Its like this comment. It didnt add anything yet its trying to make it seem like you had a good retort. You didnt. Now back to the topic at hand like it never happened.

To be fair, most people who say the things you did aren't open to persuasion, because they're too embedded in their own hubris.

Not saying that's you, but I don't blame him for the hit-and-run thing.

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LinkFanatic posted...

Or you can actually grow up, be a man (which you obviously value), and admit that you didn't actually refute anything.

Whoa sexism!

And not engaging with a pivot isn't a deflection lol.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Isnt Captain Marvel the cavalry in this case? I mean right before that Cap literally asks her for an assist.

Yes. Which is why her downing the airship or Do have something for me, Peter Parker are both fine moments.

Fucking Mantis is not the cavalry. Its pandering in an unbelievable way to have her and the other women (some, like Scarlet Witch having just been blown away in the scene prior) showing up to help Marvel.

It immediately didnt make sense.

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LinkFanatic posted...

Seems like a pretty fine line to me.

It really does. I mean that scene could have been done exactly the same way but toss in Star-Lord, Ant-Man, and Drax and I doubt anyone complains about it.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

But when youre stopping to promote a social point, it better be hyperbolic to be funny, or be done naturally.

What qualifies as natural?

Like, I've seen people complain about the whole animal rights thing on Canto Bight in TLJ, but it's pretty reasonable to conclude that, for a galaxy as large as the one in Star Wars, you'd eventually run into something like that.

So where is the line drawn? Because from here, it all seems completely arbitrary.

Is the overlap between current political issues and movie events the complaint here? Because uh, yeah, our own social problems aren't unique to reality; they can be applied to fiction too, while fitting seamlessly. Overlap isn't inherently a negative thing.

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WizardPowers posted...

And not engaging with a pivot isn't a deflection lol.

How did he pivot, though? He posted a video that showed something similar to what's being described here, then asked you why you're not equally bothered by that scene. Why are you not answering his question? You're the only one making yourself look bad here; no one else is doing it.

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That Lotr scene wasn't even a girl power scene.

It was basically a goofy joke puzzle.

The wraiths as written by Tolkien could not be killed by any man.

Solve this puzzle:
Oh, a woman is not a man, voila, puzzle solved.

It was supposed to be a cheesy, " actually!!!" Tongue in cheek scene

He will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of a man will he fall." Glorfindel, The Return of the King, Appendix A (iv)

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Yes. Which is why her downing the airship or Do have something for me, Peter Parker are both fine moments.

Fucking Mantis is not the cavalry. Its pandering in an unbelievable way to have her and the other women (some, like Scarlet Witch having just been blown away in the scene prior) showing up to help Marvel.

It immediately didnt make sense.

Providing backup isnt believable? She had the gauntlet, regardless of how powerful she is it makes sense to have people watching her back since keeping it away from Thanos was their entire goal.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

It really does. I mean that scene could have been done exactly the same way but toss in Star-Lord, Ant-Man, and Drax and I doubt anyone complains about it.

I would certainly have complaints about Ant-Man abandoning his current task of getting the mini quantum tunnel running in order to run all the way across the battlefield and strike a pose real quick, which is what The Wasp did.

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

makes sense to have people watching her back

Agreed. You always need someone watching your back.

This is Katana. Shes got my back. I would recommend not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of it's victims.

Tenlaar posted...

I would certainly have complaints about Ant-Man abandoning his current task of getting the mini quantum tunnel running in order to run all the way across the battlefield and strike a pose real quick, which is what The Wasp did.

Hadnt they already done that by that point? I mean as far as we know neither of them were in the van anymore when the girl power moment happened.

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LinkFanatic posted...

How did he pivot, though? He posted a video that showed something similar to what's being described here, then asked you why you're not equally bothered by that scene. Why are you not answering his question? You're the only one making yourself look bad here; no one else is doing it.

Little slow this morning? Too much egg nog?

That's classic whataboutism

This topic is about how shitty the endgame scene is

If you want a topic about how shitty thay scene is go make one

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LinkFanatic posted...

What qualifies as natural?

When the events of the movie or character motivations arent contradicted, making the scene believable.

The easiest example is Infinity War v Endgame.

In IW, Wanda, Widow, and Okoye teaming up made sense because they all were in the battle not being shown to be preoccupied. In universe, it was a coincidence. To the audience, its intentional.

In Endgame, theres no damn reason ONLY the women show up to help the woman who just blew up an airship. Theres no reason for any character to even doubt Marvel can get through all of that. Gamora doesnt even know any of them but maybe Mantis if Nebula told her. Again, Wanda was just blown away prior.

When youre reaction is lolhow?, its not natural.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

regardless of how powerful she is it makes sense to have people watching her back

It makes sense to have Okoye "watching her back" by literally stabbing one small alien with her spear? It makes sense to have Mantis, who has never been shown to have the slightest combat ability, "watching her back?" It makes sense to have The Wasp stop her current task of fixing the mini quantum tunnel in order to fly across the battle field, strike a pose, and then not be shown helping in any way?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

In Endgame, theres no damn reason ONLY the women show up to help the woman who just blew up an airship. Theres no reason for any character to even doubt Marvel can get through all of that. Gamora doesnt even know any of them but maybe Mantis if Nebula told her. Again, Wanda was just blown away prior.

Dude, it just a movie.
These movies break the 4th wall all the time. This is just one of those moments. The audience knew what it was about.

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Providing backup isnt believable?

Yes. Marvel is faster than all of them and clearly showed way more destructive force. Theyd get in the way.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Dude, it just a movie.
These movies break the 4th wall all the time. This is just one of those moments. The audience knew what it was about.

Stop trolling, bro.

I was asked what is natural?

Im answering the question. Dont play the Youre taking it too seriously card.

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You know how I know the scene is shit? The best people can say is it isn't that bad and try and compare it to anything not complained about. No one can defend it in any way that isn't, "you hate women" and making conjecture.

You're free to like what you like, but it's fanservice, and those that don't share your obsession over something are going to see the flaws you don't. It's even good to admit it. I loved Cap wielding mjolnir, but the scene where the hammer landed had me rolling my eyes at what was obvious set up for it.

And yes, the portals scene is pure fanservice as well. I wouldn't lose my shit if people didn't like it as if I was entitled to have them be fans of the same things I am in the same way.

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Being fanservice isn't inherently bad, but really poorly done fan service that makes no sense in the context of the movie is.

Tenlaar posted...

It makes sense to have Okoye "watching her back" by literally stabbing one small alien with her spear? It makes sense to have Mantis, who has never been shown to have the slightest combat ability, "watching her back?" It makes sense to have The Wasp stop her current task of fixing the mini quantum tunnel in order to fly across the battle field, strike a pose, and then not be shown helping in any way?

Yes having additional people in the area of their objective makes more sense than leaving it up to a single person to handle. And again, I dont know why youre focused on the Wasp thing, they had clearly both left the van at that point because it gets blown up right after the girl power scene and Ant-Man is nowhere near it.


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Imagine trying so hard to defend a shitty movie scene just because it aligns with what you believe, even though it literally undermines it...

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Yes having additional people in the area of their objective makes more sense than leaving it up to a single person to handle.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Marvel is faster than all of them and clearly showed way more destructive force. Theyd get in the way.

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Arguing that it makes sense to have characters like Okoye and Mantis "watching Captain Marvel's back" in the middle of a gigantic, hectic battle where Captain Marvel immediately flies away from them is...well, that's something, I guess.

marthsheretoo posted...

I bet most of the people watching Mando didn't even notice it was a girl power scene because it was played so matter-of-factly.

This. It wasn't until after watching the episode and reading what people thought about it did it even dawn on me it was all females just being badass.

All I thought the whole time is "holy shit this is awesome" which was the point. It wasn't about their gender, it was about their characters.

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Well, just hope for the Deadpool and Captain Marvel crossover one day.

Tenlaar posted...

Arguing that it makes sense to have characters like Okoye and Mantis "watching Captain Marvel's back" in the middle of a gigantic, hectic battle where Captain Marvel immediately flies away from them is...well, that's something, I guess.

Could be any characters. Shes stronger than everyone. My point is that when she has your objective in her hands, backing her up, however minor that may be, makes more sense than NOT backing her up. If theyre in that battle at all theyre of some use in combat, it makes sense for them to at least attempt to assist in protecting the gauntlet rather than not. Youre focused on which characters helped but if the argument is that the characters were the problem because she didnt NEED their help, thats true of every character in that battle.

But then you start getting into territory that doesnt make sense when analyzing a movie like this. Technically they didnt need anyone but her, they could have just stopped as soon as she showed up and let her take everyone out. But then you dont have a movie. And I guarantee people would be complaining about that too even though it would make sense. One of the things people were whining about before the movie even came out was that Captain Marvel would curbstomp Thanos by herself.


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I liked the way The Boys did it because it made sense. The girls were literally the only ones that could get shit done at that moment.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

One of the things people were whining about before the movie even came out was that Captain Marvel would curbstomp Thanos by herself.

And they made that scene knowing this.

It was another one of their meta jokes. They played this audience.

It wasn't that it was a girl power scene. The problem with it was that it took you out of immersion of the film and made it cringe. Why would all the women for the girl power scene be in that area secluded to themselves to form that scene. I mean, were they segregating the battle field? The Eowyn scene was fine.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Could be any characters. Shes stronger than everyone. My point is that when she has your objective in her hands, backing her up, however minor that may be, makes more sense than NOT backing her up. If theyre in that battle at all theyre of some use in combat, it makes sense for them to at least attempt to assist in protecting the gauntlet rather than not. Youre focused on which characters helped but if the argument is that the characters were the problem because she didnt NEED their help, thats true of every character in that battle.

But then you start getting into territory that doesnt make sense when analyzing a movie like this. Technically they didnt need anyone but her, they could have just stopped as soon as she showed up and let her take everyone out. But then you dont have a movie. And I guarantee people would be complaining about that too even though it would make sense. One of the things people were whining about before the movie even came out was that Captain Marvel would curbstomp Thanos by herself.

Is it really so hard for you to grasp that they could have done something to have those women keeping the guantlet safe before Captain Marvel got there so that they would have actually been contributing instead of having a completely nonsense united moment like they did? Like was talked about in the other thread, there could have been an amazing game of keep away done with those characters while Marvel was in the background destroying Thanos' ship. Okoye's vibranium spear could have come flying in screen from nowhere as Thanos was about to get his hand on the glove, sending it flying. Valkyrie could have snatched it midair and done some stuff. Then to Pepper. Then, it's within Thanos' grasp again, and suddenly it vanishes and we zoom in to see Wasp flying away with a shrunken gauntlet. The point is that they could have used those characters in a very "women saved the day" way without making it an entirely pointless and useless scene where the majority of them end up doing absolutely nothing after they pose together.