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The very moment Vader learns he has a son, he immediately bargains for his life, foreshadowing his conflict.

"He must be destroyed."

"Uhh...but what if we convert him tho?"

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The very moment Vader learns he has a son, he immediately bargains for his life, foreshadowing his conflict.

"He must be destroyed."

"Uhh...but what if we convert him tho?"

Yup, and the Emperor immediately sees through his shit and starts planning to replace him with his son.

Sets everything in motion.

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it always my least favorite as a kid because it was so damn dark and depressing. They really got that tone right.

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The best film in the franchise!

5 > 4 > 6 >>> nothing else matters to me tbh

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ghettoraider81 posted...

Yup, and the Emperor immediately sees through his shit and starts planning to replace him with his son.

Sets everything in motion.

Damn it's so good.

And I always thought that shot of him putting his helmet on was just to tease that he's not quite normal underneath.

But in actuality, it's the first time we actually see anything resembling humanity with Vader, kinda like how we see "peeks" at it through his interactions with Luke.

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Vader is so sassy lmao

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa."

Tbh, when I think back to some of the one-liners Hayden Christensen had in the Prequels (specifically in Revenge of the Sith) you can still see that they're clearly the same person.

Obi-Wan: "We're smarter than this!"
Anakin: "...Apparently not."

Like come on, that's totally something Vader would say.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Damn it's so good.

And I always thought that shot of him putting his helmet on was just to tease that he's not quite normal underneath.

But in actuality, it's the first time we actually see anything resembling humanity with Vader, kinda like how we see "peeks" at it through his interactions with Luke.

Its one thing that the prequels did well. By seeing what Anakin went through, it adds so much to Vader in the OT.

All this time the hatred and anger that has kept Vader going isnt toward the Jedi, but himself. He betrays everything he stood for and believed in out of fear of Padme dying, then is led to believe that he himself killed her.

Then to find out that he has a son, which means she didnt die and his Master lied to him about it this whole time. He starts thinking about taking out his Master, and wants his sons help.

Fast forward to RotJ, Vader is no longer executing Imperial Officers on a whim, and there is more of a sadness to him. Luke wont turn and help him take out Palpatine so he resigns to his life of torment. Until the throne room. He sees Luke turn away and not embrace the Dark Side. He does what Vader couldnt.

Seeing Palpatine with Luke is a direct callback to Palpatine and Windu. Palpatine shooting his lightning at a Jedi, except this time he is in the dominant position. Vader has the chance to right the wrong he committed long ago when he took out Windu and takes a look, says fuck this guy, chucks his Master down the shaft.

Its really masterful storytelling all around.

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ghettoraider81 posted...

Its one thing that the prequels did well.

ghettoraider81 posted...

Its really masterful storytelling all around.

Is what's in between these statements worth reading

Lando is horny as fuck lmao

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Socrawheeze posted...

Is what's in between these statements worth reading

Absolutely is

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It really is the subtle touches in this movie.

That moment when Luke hides behind a corner and Boba Fett gives a look like "I know you're there so come try me, bitch," is just excellent filmmaking that says a lot about these characters.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Vader is so sassy lmao

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa."

Tbh, when I think back to some of the one-liners Hayden Christensen had in the Prequels (specifically in Revenge of the Sith) you can still see that they're clearly the same person.

Obi-Wan: "We're smarter than this!"
Anakin: "...Apparently not."

Like come on, that's totally something Vader would say.

He probably learned it from Obi-Wan.

"Then we decided to come and rescue you."
"Good job."

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Vader is so sassy lmao

i love it when the group arrives at Cloud City and opens the door to where Vader is and he's like "we would be honored if you would join us", then deflects Han's blaster shots with his hand like a BADASS

idk if this makes sense to anyone else, but while i recognize ESB as the "best" of the OT, my favorite is ANH. i feel like ANH is just the all around perfect movie and stands up on its own, while ESB needs the full context of the trilogy to be fully appreciated.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

idk if this makes sense to anyone else, but while i recognize ESB as the "best" of the OT, my favorite is ANH. i feel like ANH is just the all around perfect movie and stands up on its own, while ESB needs the full context of the trilogy to be fully appreciated.

I feel exactly the same way. I don't think V needs VI, but it deff needed IV