Current Events > I feel justified in not getting the COVID-19 vaccine. Here are my concerns

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Your reaction to TC posted SARS-CoV-1 data was to brush it off and complain that no one is showing other data. Then when showed that other data was posted, you continued to push the goalposts back.

I wish trolling about COVID was actually dealt with on this site instead of letting people post whatever the fuck they want.
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Big pharma is rushing this out for one reason: $$$$.

Its 100% driven by greed. Im not going to be the guinea pig.

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Plain old boring common cold is a coronavirus, and it's evaded vaccines essentially forever.
They're all different even if vaguely related. A vaccine may work for one, and be useless for another. That's what clinical trials are for.

tote_all posted...

The challenge phase is what's being discussed,

An animal challenge phase is unnecessary when there's human testing.

https://youtu.be/zvJHq2FJPDM

Before you say don't test on mice. The video ends with "If we want to cure cancer in humans, we should be looking at human cancer cells."

I could literally get it as early as next week if approved

tote_all posted...

And do you understand that drug testing and cancer research are different than vaccines?

Cancer doesn't come up in the video until half-way. It's not strictly about cancer research.

tote_all posted...

Do you even understand what an animal challenge phase is supposed to accomplish, and why time does play an important factor when there isn't one?

It's supposed to challenge the efficacy of the vaccine. It doesn't play an important factor when there's a human challenge phase.

tote_all posted...

Or are you suggesting human challenge trials should become the norm?

I mean that's what the actor or actual professional was saying at the end.

tote_all posted...

I know you believe you're thinking critically, but you're doing the exact opposite. Try, just try to seriously read OP's post, and then try to disregard the concerns with your 5 minute cringe video.

You're the guy implying "dEy PrOlLy FoRgOt AbOuT aDe".

tote_all posted...

It's amazing how idiots can't even argue without literally making shit up about you or the things you have or haven't said.

You posted that after the first accusations to save face.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Supply constraints are severe enough that any nasty effects will be seen in "priority" persons long before we have to start worrying about the vaccine being mandatory.

I was saying that last week. Concerns are justified, but I doubt most of us are going to be in the first few phases they roll out, so we will have time to see what happens.

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Im a pharmacist so hopefully I can shed light on this. First of all there are definitely animal challenge studies being done so Im not sure where you heard that. Second, ADE is something every vaccine maker is aware of and the studies you linked dont really apply to Covid as those describe ADE mediated through Fc receptors whereas Covid targets ACE2 (this is why even data on SARS1 cant be reliably applied to Covid). This is on top of the fact that antibody treatments are being used right now in critically-ill Covid patients and the limited data shows a benefit with no signs of ADE (this would be things like the Regeneron cocktail that Trump received as well as convalescent plasma).

As for fertility, Id direct you to read up on how Covid itself has shown signs of affecting fertility particularly in men. Heres one link that describes this phenomenon: https://physician-news.umiamihealth.org/covid-19-can-infect-testes-with-potential-implications-for-male-fertility/

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tote_all posted...

I'm gonna take it anyway, but your concerns are valid.

That doesn't say.

tote_all posted...

I'm almost certain that indeed the theoretical solutions were considered and applied

SaltyWet posted...

I'd chance the vaccine rather than the actual virus.

Yup. People don't understand that we don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes both options require you to lose something. There isn't a "win all" option every time. This isn't a video game.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Dude, you dont need to justify anything.

Its your body, your healthwhich you, and you alone are responsible for. Youre not responsible for anyone elses health, only yours. So if you dont want to take it, dont.

Im not, and im sure as hell not justifying why to anyone, ever. Its none of their business

Lmao. Yea... OK


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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You literally pointed to SARS-CoV-1 and was like theres no vaccine for this one so obviously cant work with one for SARS-CoV-2 as if that means anything.

You said youre not responsible for anyones health during a pandemic of an incredibly contagious disease.

If you dont know how stupid that sounds, thats on you.

Saying youre not responsible for anyones health but your own, doesnt mean if youve tested positive that you can go out in public and freely spread the virus to anyone who isnt protecting themselvesthats idiotic, and to think thats what Im suggesting when I say youre not responsible for the health of anyone but yourself is just as idiotic.

Demanding healthy individuals take the vaccine to protect the tiny fraction of a percent of people who may have less than a 99.9% survival rate is ridiculous. People who are at risk should be the ones to get the vaccine. Not the remains majority of healthy people who have nearly a 100% chance of survival.

Also, go ahead and ignore the other critical points I made, such as the vaccine manufacturers liability for hurting people being thrown out the window less than a month before they are about to mass vaccinate the world. Yeah, thats not suspect whatsoever...

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I feel like it's picking between getting Covid or getting the vaccine. I'll take my chance with the latter. Plus, if I'm needed for it to really work overall, Im not gonna be the douchebag ruining everyone's chances of getting to live out a full life.

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I understand these sorts of concerns, but please remember you are weighing concerns about side effects of the vaccine against concerns about the effects of contracting COVID-19 and/or spreading the disease onward, not against being absent from the situation. The lasting effects of the disease are known to be quite significant in many cases.

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Didn't they test all these vaccines on like 30,000+ people back in the summer? Are those people doing okay?

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refmon posted...

I don't the process of vetting a vaccine and making sure it's safe for humans but I know it takes a while. Them producing it so quickly is scary.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Demanding healthy individuals take the vaccine to protect the tiny fraction of a percent of people who may have less than a 99.9% survival rate is ridiculous. People who are at risk should be the ones to get the vaccine. Not the remains majority of healthy people who have nearly a 100% chance of survival

This paragraph shows you don't understand the basics behind vaccinations.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective for everyone, and the elderly especially might get less protection from them. There's also people who cannot get vaccines for legitimate medical reasons (due to being immunocompromised). It just so happens that these groups are also the most vulnerable against infectious diseases like COVID, so they have to rely on protection from herd immunity - which is why healthy people need vaccines as well.

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Herd immunity is a myth because you can catch it again lol

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YoJoe posted...

Herd immunity is a myth because you can catch it again lol

Dumb take. The possibility of reinfection doesn't make herd immunity a myth. Even if the vaccines were to provide only a few months of protection, they will still significantly lower the spread of the virus and prevent many deaths.

Besides, there may be a difference between natural immunity after getting sick and immunity gained from the vaccine. From the numbers we've seen so far, the vaccines seem to provide immunity just fine.

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If you say so

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