Current Events > 55% of New York FIREFIGHTERS are REFUSING to get the COVID-19 Vaccine!!

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More than HALF of the FDNY say they will NOT take a COVID-19 vaccine even when it becomes available to them in the coming weeks!!

55% of them said NO when asked i fthey will take the Pfizer vaccine as New York City is setting up plans to distribute vaccines

Misinformation about the effects of the vaccine and original causes behind the covid-19 pandemic have contributed to the uncertainty of people taking it

A similar survey found only 30% of MTA workers said they would definitely take it while 38% were unsure and 32% were not

The FDNY said the vaccine will NOT be mandatory as workers at the city's 11 public hospitals will NOT have to take it either.

A petition called NY Teachers Against Vaccine Mandates for Educations have been signed by more than 10,000 people

More than 24,000 people have died from the virus in the city as statewide positivity reached 5%

Andy Ansbro told the NYP "A lot of them probably feel they are not in a risk cateogry, they are younger, stronger, they may have already had it and gotten through it and feel it's not their problem. They are more familiar with the virus than the vaccine"

Facebook has alraedy said it will remove harmful anti-vaxx propaganda from their platform that includes posts on MICROCHIPS and 5g being implanted

Andrew Cuomo hopes to get 170,000 doses of the vaccine on December 15 with additional shipments from Pfizer and Moderna

Health care workers and nursing home residents will be prioritized first

Do you think these vaccines should be mandatory?

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not reading the op but fuck no to mandatory

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Full Throttle posted...

i fthey

Fire them

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CommunismFTW posted...

not reading the op but fuck no to mandatory

Have fun watching more people die from covid.
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No, fuck off with that shit.

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I'd trust the integrity of firemen over some doctors really or politicians.. People lack integrity these days. There is corruption. People who love unconditionally are rare and know the difference between right and wrong. Firemen are usually pretty good people. I don't think the firefighter profession is nearly as corrupt as the medical profession or politics these days.

This anti-vax hysteria might be even dumber than smoking.

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To hell with these anti-vaxxers

Fire the firefighters

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I wear a mask. I rarely see a doctor. I haven't gotten sick yet. It appears to be working.

kg88222 posted...

I'd trust the integrity of firemen over some doctors really or politicians.. People lack integrity these days. There is corruption. People who love unconditionally are rare and know the difference between right and wrong. Firemen are usually pretty good people. I don't think the firefighter profession is nearly as corrupt as the medical profession or politics these days.

I used to work in a fire department and was an EMS lieutenant for several years, performed dozens of mutual aid standbys for other departments besides our own.

This is all unequivocally false. In general they are not good people. Fire departments have elected officials of their own and are full of corruption and politics.

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Their body their choice right?

-Unowninator- posted...

Have fun watching more people die from covid.

it has outpaced heart disease in deaths.... covid is highly preventable.
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EVerything is corrupt. That's the problem though. Stay away from all of it if you can. The less headaches the better. Not to sound like Salinger here but really some people cause more problems than they are worth.

sounds like grounds for termination...

anyone who screeches about the government mandating you get a shot is ignoring the simple reality that it will be your employer doing it.

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kg88222 posted...

EVerything is corrupt. That's the problem though. Stay away from all of it if you can. The less headaches the better. Not to sound like Salinger here but really some people cause more problems than they are worth.

Somebody went down the rabbit hold of youtube videos.

I agree mandatory doesnt look nice, but all of us are already loaded with mandatory vaccines. Especially those in the military.

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They are all out to protect themselves in some way. And get paid. They all skim off the top in some way. The way they skew things and everything to avoid blame. THe police do this too. They all have a victim mentality.

kg88222 posted...

They are all out to protect themselves in some way. And get paid. They all skim off the top in some way. The way they skew things and everything to avoid blame. THe police do this too. They all have a victim mentality.

i'm a raging cynic and even i think you're being to cynical...

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GodBlessAustin posted...

Their body their choice right?

dis

just fire dem if dey don't want to take it and let dem get another job dat allows dem to work without having to take da vaccine
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I honestly dont blame them.

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I'm really not. I think firefighters and police are by and large decent people. But trying to get anyoen to admit they are wrong sometimes. I get why because there are people out there out to get them and lawsuits and everything. I'm really not a cynic is hte thing. I think nice things about people but then it's not. I think firefighters are pretty good people like i said. They are there to put out fires. Nothing wrong with that. Where the corruption lies is in the politics.

monkmith posted...

sounds like grounds for termination...

anyone who screeches about the government mandating you get a shot is ignoring the simple reality that it will be your employer doing it.

Why would they care? And more then that, why do you think their take responsibility in doing so?

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The left and right is bad that way and teaching people the wrong things because by and large these people are providing a service. THey are working class people. They aren't the problem. When it's creating paranoia it is. That's the issue too is there are people out to get them. The issue is is when they start thinking people are who aren't. And it really is hard to tell what is what these days.

Prismsblade posted...

Why would they care? And more then that, why do you think their take responsibility in doing so?

because businesses dont like it when their workers knock off for two weeks because of a virus? or when their whole workforce ends up doing it because its so contagious?

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If women have the right to abortion, then every human being has the right to bodily autonomy, and can refuse the vaccine. To me its not about side effects or misinformationits that nobody is going to make me put a shot in my arm for a vaccine that is not only the first of its kind, but was rushed to market in record time.

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monkmith posted...

because businesses dont like it when their workers knock off for two weeks because of a virus? or when their whole workforce ends up doing it because its so contagious?

No, but is this a serious problem? For most retailers and fast food its business as usual still.

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Let people who don't want to get the virus get the vaccine, let people who don't care if they get it skip it. Fuck your mandate.

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The issue is what I'm saying. Just dealing with people in the system. People are so paranoid they aren't really helping. They are being conrolled by corporations and politics. Actual help is rare these days. Because of the paranoia that is out there. They are all hiding. Politics are crazy right now.

PaunchyTurtle53 posted...

Let people who don't want to get the virus get the vaccine, let people who don't care if they get it skip it. Fuck your mandate.

This is like someone deciding they would never start a fire even by accident and letting them remove the sprinklers and extinguishers bevause they are
mildly inconvenient

Vaccines for a contagious disease arent just fucking about you. Its about protecting everyone else that hasnt been able to get it yet, cannot or is less protected due to other conditions.

Get your vaccine or remove yourself from society entirely.

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pikachupwnage posted...

This is like

No...its not.

Its like having seatbelts in your car, not caring if anyone wears one or not, and choosing not to wear yours if you dont feel like it. It affects nobody but the person wearing/not wearing the seatbeltthere is no good argument to force an individual to wear a seatbelt, other than to claim youre protecting them from themselves, which is bullshit. Its not anyones choice but the person who is responsible for themselves, and when it comes to an individuals health, its nobodys place but the individuals to determine what they do with their body, and if were really going to cross that line, why not ban sugar, pop, candy, etcmatter of fact why dont we force strict dietary regimens on the populace? Heart disease, cancer, etc. would all drop drastically, and save millions each year.

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iPhone_7 posted...

To hell with these anti-vaxxers

Fire the firefighters

lol thanks but I'd rather not have the goverment inject my blood with 5g!

Prismsblade posted...

No, but is this a serious problem? For most retailers and fast food its business as usual still.

You're so wrong. I work for Starbucks and know people who work for Dunkin, Lush, Claires, McDonald's, and a bunch of mall stores. When someone at a fast food location gets covid and spreads it before its caught, everyone who worked with those people gets put on leave. Most stores are doing block scheduling so that if one crew gets it, the store can split the rest of its employees. If the whole store gets it, the store shuts down for 3-7 days and people from another location get brought in, bodies are replaceable. Regional managers hate when a store gets COVID because it makes everyone else in the district work extra to cover that store while its employees are out sick.

Major fast food chains really do not like it when everyone gets covid, that's part of why they try, to different degrees, to enforce masks an social distancing. It's not for your or our safety, it's actually good business. It's tiny pizza chains and bars that ignore covid restrictions because they just don't give a shit, and that's at the discretion of their management.

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pikachupwnage posted...

Get your vaccine or remove yourself from society entirely.

Make me.

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ArchNemo posted...

lol thanks but I'd rather not have the goverment inject my blood with 5g!

But think of how cool it would be if you had 5G internet in your blood

totalnerdken posted...

Having the government make a rushed vaccine mandatory seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, this.

Even I'm cautious about this fast-tracked vaccine, and I talk shit about anti-vaxxers all the time.
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totalnerdken posted...

Having the government make a rushed vaccine mandatory seems like a bad idea.

And doctors and nurses are supposed to be one of the first people to get it too. Better really hope something doesn't go wrong with it then.

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pikachupwnage posted...

Get your vaccine or remove yourself from society entirely.

No. Their body, their choice.

If you can prove that they have infected someone else, then maybe youd have an argument. We do not live in a Minority Report society, at least not yet.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

No...its not.

Its like having seatbelts in your car, not caring if anyone wears one or not, and choosing not to wear yours if you dont feel like it. It affects nobody but the person wearing/not wearing the seatbeltthere is no good argument to force an individual to wear a seatbelt, other than to claim youre protecting them from themselves, which is bullshit. Its not anyones choice but the person who is responsible for themselves, and when it comes to an individuals health, its nobodys place but the individuals to determine what they do with their body, and if were really going to cross that line, why not ban sugar, pop, candy, etcmatter of fact why dont we force strict dietary regimens on the populace? Heart disease, cancer, etc. would all drop drastically, and save millions each year.

Do you understand what a virus is even in the third grade sorta way? Because I don't think you do.

Blunt trauma from flying through your windshield after a seatbelt because you didn't wear your seatbelt is not comparable to spreading a disease.

Anyone you breath/cough near or touch is at risk of getting ill when you have coronavirus or other contagious respiratory disease.

You could potentially sicken or kill thousands of people overtime in a chain of Infections. Every or the vast majority of corona infections likely originated in just one or a handful of people in China.

You attend a party. 4 people catch it from you and then they spread it to others and so on.

Long term side effects are largely irrelevant.

The chances of anything long term are remote and absolutely nothing suggests we should be expecting anything.

Its already been tested on thousands and most of us will not be in the first wave of vaccination so we will have tens of millions more people going before us.

The very small risk of a vaccine is so much better then the current situation spiraling more out of control or even continuing exactly as it is.


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Irony posted...

Fire them

thats not nice. You do realize 55% is a large chunk of the workforce right?

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

No...its not.

Its like having seatbelts in your car, not caring if anyone wears one or not, and choosing not to wear yours if you dont feel like it. It affects nobody but the person wearing/not wearing the seatbeltthere is no good argument to force an individual to wear a seatbelt, other than to claim youre protecting them from themselves, which is bullshit. Its not anyones choice but the person who is responsible for themselves, and when it comes to an individuals health, its nobodys place but the individuals to determine what they do with their body, and if were really going to cross that line, why not ban sugar, pop, candy, etcmatter of fact why dont we force strict dietary regimens on the populace? Heart disease, cancer, etc. would all drop drastically, and save millions each year.

For herd immunity to work, everyone who can take the vaccine without any major side effects should take it.

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LightHawKnight posted...

For herd immunity to work, everyone who can take the vaccine without any major side effects should take it.

They're saying 70 percent is needed for herd immunity. It apparently doesnt need everyone, although I do agree people should get it. I think we could work on getting to that number. You cant make it mandatory, though, not in a legal sense at least.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Its like having seatbelts in your car, not caring if anyone wears one or not, and choosing not to wear yours if you dont feel like it. It affects nobody but the person wearing/not wearing the seatbeltthere is no good argument to force an individual to wear a seatbelt, other than to claim youre protecting them from themselves, which is bullshit. Its not anyones choice but the person who is responsible for themselves, and when it comes to an individuals health, its nobodys place but the individuals to determine what they do with their body, and if were really going to cross that line, why not ban sugar, pop, candy, etcmatter of fact why dont we force strict dietary regimens on the populace? Heart disease, cancer, etc. would all drop drastically, and save millions each year.

Things that are communicable:
Viruses
Heart Disease
Cancer
Seat belt deaths

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

They're saying 70 percent is needed for herd immunity. It apparently doesnt need everyone, although I do agree people should get it. I think we could work on getting to that number. You cant make it mandatory, though, not in a legal sense at least.

You do realize the people who need herd immunity fill up most of that 30% right?

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LightHawKnight posted...

You do realize the people who need herd immunity fill up most of that 30% right?

If that is true

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

You're so wrong. I work for Starbucks and know people who work for Dunkin, Lush, Claires, McDonald's, and a bunch of mall stores. When someone at a fast food location gets covid and spreads it before its caught, everyone who worked with those people gets put on leave. Most stores are doing block scheduling so that if one crew gets it, the store can split the rest of its employees. If the whole store gets it, the store shuts down for 3-7 days and people from another location get brought in, bodies are replaceable. Regional managers hate when a store gets COVID because it makes everyone else in the district work extra to cover that store while its employees are out sick.

Major fast food chains really do not like it when everyone gets covid, that's part of why they try, to different degrees, to enforce masks an social distancing. It's not for your or our safety, it's actually good business. It's tiny pizza chains and bars that ignore covid restrictions because they just don't give a shit, and that's at the discretion of their management.

Yea but.....None of this means their losing profits though. If somebody really wants starbucks, dunkin, or McDs their just drive to the many others across town. So again, why should they care?

Smaller retailers lack such a footprint and thus the options for such things. So similar to the one my mother worked at will just send the individual home and carry on. And even if they did care if the majority of their employees are in protest they arent going to do shit.

I swear its amazing how fast people turned to businesses they usually loathed with a passion to enforce their will the second the government refused to.

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I'm convinced one of the hidden side effects of COVID was making people braindead. Probably a defense mechanism so that humans are too dumb to prevent it from spreading or infecting them.

COVID could be a sentient hivemind at this point.

a small majority says YES
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