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ChaosTonyV4
12/02/20 6:15:48 PM
#101:


TheRock has circumnavigated the globe with the distance these goalposts have moved

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TheRock1525
12/02/20 6:18:28 PM
#102:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
TheRock has circumnavigated the globe with the distance these goalposts have moved
Okay Mr Biden is guaranteed to lose.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/02/20 6:19:36 PM
#103:


I literally did not say he was guaranteed to lose, lmao my B8 map had him winning!

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/02/20 6:26:50 PM
#104:


TheRock1525 posted...
Is there a huge difference in losing by 3% versus losing by 5%?

The smartass answer would be that it's about 2%, but my better answer is that I think Democrats losing ground against a similarly polarizing candidate shows that something is wrong. In addition, MJ Hegar (who is also a moderate) lost by 10% and I think that margin, taken alongside other tossups actually being blowouts, indicates something wrong at a deeper level with the strategy.

You said this was because of policy, and I disagreed. The fact that Beto ran a more progressive Senate campaign than Joe Biden did a presidential one shows that even if we both can agree the 3/5% difference as a wash, capitulating towards the center did not gain Biden any ground.

My alternative reasoning from "policy scared people away" and "Cruz and Trump suck so it's ez" are:
1) The GOP was unprepared for strong Dem strategy and organizing in 2018 that resulted in a blue wave, but were more prepared for it in 2020
2) The Dem strategy was worse in 2020 than in 2018, either on its own or because they didn't adjust to the GOP or both

So, to bring it back home, the woes here are not specific policy ones, but because Republicans are good at winning elections and Democrats are not, and the Democrat response is to blame progressive policies and slogans.

Edit: And I'll get out ahead of it and say I'm more than willing to entertain the possibility that Biden's swing towards the center DID help him, but the GOP were still able to blow him out. That still is a pretty damning indictment of Democrats sucking ass at elections and means they really have to reconsider their whole strategy.

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TheRock1525
12/02/20 6:38:31 PM
#105:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I literally did not say he was guaranteed to lose, lmao my B8 map had him winning!
You spent the entire spring and summer lamenting it was 2016 all over again.

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TheRock1525
12/02/20 6:43:02 PM
#106:


Also one of the biggest differences is that Hispanic votes moved largely back towards standard GOP levels instead of their historically low levels in 2016 and 2018. A lot of that had to do with Cuban votes, but also there was some gains among minority males that liked Trump's "machismo" for lack of a better term. That was largely offset by record gains among women with the Democratic party.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/02/20 6:58:56 PM
#107:


TheRock1525 posted...
You spent the entire spring and summer lamenting it was 2016 all over again.
Dude it practically was!

If you were CERTAIN Biden was gonna win you didnt learn a thing, even if this time the Dems managed to win.

I gave him the benefit because I felt like saying the opposite would seem like rooting for him, but the Dems are in prime position to get blown the fuck out in 2024, so Im hoping the party decides to learn how to be something other than were not Republicans.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/02/20 7:01:17 PM
#108:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also one of the biggest differences is that Hispanic votes moved largely back towards standard GOP levels instead of their historically low levels in 2016 and 2018. A lot of that had to do with Cuban votes, but also there was some gains among minority males that liked Trump's "machismo" for lack of a better term. That was largely offset by record gains among women with the Democratic party.

do you think maybe they could have like

done better outreach

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UshiromiyaEva
12/02/20 7:05:08 PM
#109:


Wasn't Veritas supposed to put out some fake bullshit about CNN yesterday?

Have they finally been shamed into such little notoriety that they won't even get covered anymore?

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red sox 777
12/02/20 7:19:52 PM
#110:


Project Veritas has been caught lying on multiple occasions. I haven't heard of one of their sting operations that was actually honest yet.

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Dark Young Link
12/02/20 7:37:39 PM
#111:


It's all part "The Plan".

Not to be mistaken for Alucard's "The Plan".

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MoogleKupo141
12/02/20 7:49:12 PM
#112:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Wasn't Veritas supposed to put out some fake bullshit about CNN yesterday?

Have they finally been shamed into such little notoriety that they won't even get covered anymore?


I think they put out real bullshit, but its just such a nothing that no one could even care. Whatever tweet I saw summarizing it made it sound like the big bombshell is that they make editorial decisions like literally any news organization.
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UshiromiyaEva
12/02/20 7:58:31 PM
#113:


I went and looked into it and it seems the biggest bullet point of the release, meant to completely discredit CNN as an organization, was that they privatel referred to Tucker Carlson's show as Fox's White Supremacy Hour?

Which...

I MEAN...

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Xeybozn
12/02/20 8:03:11 PM
#114:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I went and looked into it and it seems the biggest bullet point of the release, meant to completely discredit CNN as an organization, was that they privatel referred to Tucker Carlson's show as Fox's White Supremacy Hour?

Which...

I MEAN...

If this is true, I think CNN looks bad for thinking Fox News only has one hour of white supremacy a day.
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UshiromiyaEva
12/02/20 8:03:33 PM
#115:


Touche

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 8:05:43 PM
#116:


https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1334289201437704192

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Mr Lasastryke
12/02/20 8:06:35 PM
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TheRock1525
12/02/20 8:16:34 PM
#118:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
do you think maybe they could have like

done better outreach

They could have but here's the thing: when Covid hit, Dems stopped in-person outreach completely. The GOP didn't. They basically had zero ground game this election because they opted to stay safe during a pandemic, and that actually explains a lot of why Biden did so well nationally but down ballot races went more conservative.

So basically the GOPs indifference towards the virus gave them a huge advantage.

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Kinglicious
12/02/20 8:25:14 PM
#119:


Hell, in Tony's defense Biden's win isn't by much either. Margin is quite similar to Trump's win over Hillary so saying it's 2016 on repeat is pretty accurate, there's just a slight tweak within six figures.

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 8:56:03 PM
#120:


https://twitter.com/sonam_sheth/status/1334314029649694734

Amazing

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 9:00:58 PM
#121:


The quality of witnesses at this hearing sure is something else

https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1334313610252865537

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Mr Lasastryke
12/02/20 9:04:40 PM
#122:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The quality of witnesses at this hearing sure is something else

https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1334313610252865537

she seems more like a kate mckinnon SNL character than a real person.

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UshiromiyaEva
12/02/20 9:05:28 PM
#123:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The quality of witnesses at this hearing sure is something else

https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1334313610252865537

lol I love how like halfway in you can even see Rudy himself trying to tap out.

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SovietOmega
12/02/20 9:19:05 PM
#124:


I think we can all learn something from that witness. As long as you feel that something is true and sign a paper that says you will go to jail for lying, then that thing you feel must be true, must be true.

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 10:33:35 PM
#125:


In some actual good news: it looks like we may finally be getting rid of dumb caps by country for green cards!

https://twitter.com/mxwiIson/status/1334277162183122948

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Tom Bombadil
12/02/20 11:11:33 PM
#126:


Wifebolo walked by while I was playing that one lady, and asked if I was listening to Parks and Rec

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 11:17:57 PM
#127:


https://twitter.com/cnnadam/status/1334347912386633729

Very good of them to do this!

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red sox 777
12/02/20 11:22:53 PM
#128:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/cnnadam/status/1334347912386633729

Very good of them to do this!

Waiting for Trump to say: People are saying that I don't need it because my immune system is the strongest. The very strongest. The virus didn't know what hit it. And now they say I'm immune forever.

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xp1337
12/02/20 11:40:10 PM
#129:


Speaking of Senate votes.

They voted 96-1 to waive the 5 month waiting period for SSDI for those suffering from ALS.

https://twitter.com/bsw5020/status/1334260502621548544

Time to play "GUESS. THAT. SENATOR." Do you know which Senator lacked any moral compass and voted against this bill? It was... Mike Lee

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LordoftheMorons
12/02/20 11:42:22 PM
#130:


Damn, I was close! I guessed Rand Paul

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UshiromiyaEva
12/02/20 11:50:24 PM
#131:




xp1337 posted...
Speaking of Senate votes.

They voted 96-1 to waive the 5 month waiting period for SSDI for those suffering from ALS.

https://twitter.com/bsw5020/status/1334260502621548544

Time to play "GUESS. THAT. SENATOR." Do you know which Senator lacked any moral compass and voted against this bill? It was... Mike Lee

Incredibly ironic. Lost any good will he had in just a few hours, lol.

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Jakyl25
12/03/20 1:13:18 AM
#132:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/cnnadam/status/1334347912386633729

Very good of them to do this!


Are any of them at a high enough risk that they should be getting their vaccine from an early batch? Maybe Clinton due to age?
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Wanglicious
12/03/20 1:15:53 AM
#133:


bush and clinton due to age, clinton with other health issues he's had over the years too.
obama, probably nothing.


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Jakyl25
12/03/20 1:17:47 AM
#134:


Oh W is the same age as Cinton, actually older by a month.

And I forget theyre all younger than both Biden and Trump lol
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/20 1:20:19 AM
#135:


Jakyl25 posted...
Are any of them at a high enough risk that they should be getting their vaccine from an early batch? Maybe Clinton due to age?
The followup tweet has the actual article; it sounds like theyd take it as it would be available to them as a normal person (so I guess Bush/Clinton when they release it for seniors and Obama when its released to everybody).

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red sox 777
12/03/20 1:20:29 AM
#136:


Jakyl25 posted...
Oh W is the same age as Cinton, actually older by a month.

And I forget theyre all younger than both Biden and Trump lol

If Trump gets elected in 2024, does he beat out Biden for title of oldest president?

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Jakyl25
12/03/20 1:23:43 AM
#137:


red sox 777 posted...


If Trump gets elected in 2024, does he beat out Biden for title of oldest president?


If Biden survives his whole term and then Trump survives that whole term, he would pass Biden in August 2028
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Yesmar_
12/03/20 2:44:14 AM
#138:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/sonam_sheth/status/1334314029649694734

Amazing

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. If she thinks that all Chinese people look the same, how would requiring ID help? If anything it would make the situation worse for her.

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TheRock1525
12/03/20 7:00:38 AM
#139:


Jesus Christ, we just had our highest death total ever for coronavirus with 2885 yesterday.

Remember when the GOP insisted that lockdowns would magically end November 3rd and no one would talk about the virus anymore?

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masterplum
12/03/20 7:30:19 AM
#140:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Damn, I was close! I guessed Rand Paul

That was my guess too. I used to like him before it was apparent he had no sense of nuance in his views and stopped saying no to Republicans. Now he just feels like Republican: Edgy version

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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/20 8:48:23 AM
#141:


rand paul is terrible.

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UshiromiyaEva
12/03/20 11:16:48 AM
#142:


When people say Rand Paul I subconsciously think Ron Paul and get confused.

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Reg
12/03/20 11:21:15 AM
#143:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
When people say Rand Paul I subconsciously think Ron Paul and get confused.
I mean, Ron Paul is also terrible so
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/20 12:04:07 PM
#144:


i'd say ron means well but just has terrible views while rand is just a douchebag.

the fact that sephyg hates ron but thinks rand is "better than all democrats and most republicans" says it all, really.

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Kinglicious
12/03/20 12:10:05 PM
#145:


I mean at the time Ron was the only Republican, hell one of the only politicians period, who was anti war and his popularity largely lied on that. Dude was cheated. Rand pretty much rode his dad's coattails on that one but it had become a more popular position in both parties, though a minority one with politicians.

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UshiromiyaEva
12/03/20 12:17:15 PM
#146:


Rs are starting to fight about whether there's in point in voting in the Runoffs.

It begins.

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masterplum
12/03/20 1:29:57 PM
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masterplum
12/03/20 1:32:38 PM
#148:


Kinglicious posted...
I mean at the time Ron was the only Republican, hell one of the only politicians period, who was anti war and his popularity largely lied on that. Dude was cheated. Rand pretty much rode his dad's coattails on that one but it had become a more popular position in both parties, though a minority one with politicians.

Yep. I was a big Ron Paul fan partially due to his anti war stance. His crazier views such as gold standard I didn't really pay attention to.

Now it seems most of those sort of people are focused entirety on the crazy parts.

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UshiromiyaEva
12/03/20 2:00:15 PM
#149:


Pretty sure Ron Paul right now is most well known for the laser light show "IT'S HAPPENING" GIF.

I am being completely legitimate in my belief of that claim.

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xp1337
12/03/20 2:12:30 PM
#150:


we found the voter fraud guys

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1334356275140964352

Florida Republican (and attorney!) on tape telling other Florida Republicans to falsely register in GA to vote in the runoffs. When the reporter who recorded it confronted him he played the "obviously I was just joking" card... only he wasn't joking he literally registered in Georgia and is now under investigation.

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