Current Events > Can yugioh decks built off the original series compete with the new series?

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Like if a deck only consists of cards from the original series, is it even possible to compete with decks built off the new series 5D's/Zexal/Arc V/Vrains?

Or did the release of the new series cards cancel the effectiveness of original deck builds?

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Probably not given that the meta is one turn wins.

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Sure bro
Just believe in the heart of the cards

s0nicfan posted...

Probably not given that the meta is one turn wins.

Ahh I see!!!

nothanks1 posted...

Sure bro
Just believe in the heart of the cards

*Yugi smirk*

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Also voting option four means "no you at least need to balance a classic deck with some support from a few new cards" not you "need all new cards".


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9 votes for "NO".

I'm going to have to make a second deck out of totally new monsters.

At this point I might as well watch the 3 new yugioh series(I saw up to Zexal) and get a feel for which new cards I have interests in building on.

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They can't even survive even the most casual of play or casual of modern decks. What makes you think they'd survive Regular or meta play?

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You can stack the deck however you like, but outside of an Exodia deck you'll still lose horribly.

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I can argue that nowadays, if your deck isn't some form of Zoodiac you can not survive even the most casual play. So why would you think classic decks can survive?

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Dark Magicians, Blue Eyes, Harpies, and maybe other OG archetypes have received new support in the modern Era to make them rogue contenders.

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WipWinkle posted...

They can't even survive even the most casual of play or casual of modern decks. What makes you think they'd survive Regular or meta play?

Had hope that some body found a way to keep the classics relevant, but I had doubts anyways mostly just hoped.

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the original series has some absolutely fucking broken cards that would never see print without being nerfed (and even then, Card of Demise is still amazing last I checked)

but decks back then didnt have the consistency/search power/combo power of later decks.


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Nope not even with ban cards.

Only way to win would be for you to go first and you build a zodia turbo draw deck.

I built a blue eyes deck with all the new support it's still ok in casuals although it was competitive at one point hack in 2017

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greatmonkeybaby posted...

Had hope that some body found a way to keep the classics relevant, but I had doubts anyways mostly just hoped.

My only tip to even survive casual Yugioh is to go full on meta. That's just how broken YGO is nowadays. That's what everyone uses even in a causal format. Classic decks stand no chance even in the most casual of settings.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

You can stack the deck however you like, but outside of an Exodia deck you'll still lose horribly.

Ahh good ol exodia!

WipWinkle posted...

I can argue that nowadays, if your deck isn't some form of Zoodiac you can not survive even the most casual play. So why would you think classic decks can survive?

I didnt think they could I was hoping somebody found a way for them to but doubted it myself idk. Then again I'm like way out of the loop atm (reason I'm watching series 1 through 7 in order rn).

Doe posted...

Dark Magicians, Blue Eyes, Harpies, and maybe other OG archetypes have received new support in the modern Era to make them rogue contenders.

That's actually really cool to hear!

AlisLandale posted...

the original series has some absolutely fucking broken cards that would never see print without being nerfed (and even then, Card of Demise is still amazing last I checked)

but decks back then didnt have the consistency/search power/combo power of later decks.

Oh that makes sense then, for sure!

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Nope not even with ban cards.

Only way to win would be for you to go first and you build a zodia turbo draw deck.

I built a blue eyes deck with all the new support it's still ok in casuals although it was competitive at one point hack in 2017

Those sound like interesting builds tbh

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WipWinkle posted...

My only tip to even survive casual Yugioh is to go full on meta. That's just how broken YGO is nowadays. That's what everyone uses even in a causal format. Classic decks stand no chance even in the most casual of settings.

That makes sense (will research then back to the card shop I go!)

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I disagree about "full on meta." You need synergy and coordination, a gameplan, and win conditions. There are tons of decks that can win games, even if they're not quite tournament viable. Especially if you run modern staples

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I think if you like the old game you just have to stick with video games made around those rules at this point. I got some on the GBA.

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But what if i have exodia. i actually do not sure if i should sell or nor.

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Makes me wish F.A.s were good. Despite all the seemingly amazing effects they got going for them, they lack real consistency, though they demolish anti- meta/control decks very well. >_> you know the ones that run inspector boarder and a fuckton of floodgates.

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I'm playing ARC V on my PSP and that game is amazing. It has all the series from YGO to ARC V.

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ZeroX91 posted...

But what if i have exodia. i actually do not sure if i should sell or nor.

exodia becomes sort of meta once in a blue moon when power creep or a poorly-planned mechanic accidentally creates a busted draw-loop and lets you get all five pieces in one turn. Something usually gets banned when that happens. >_>

other than that its a boring strategy to play. You either throw in exodia into a non-exodia deck and nerf your potential by turning over 10% of your deck into dead draws, or you commit to an exodia deck and forfeit the game when your opponent kills your draw engine.

or you just go old school turtle style play and create an unbreakable defense and stall out your opponent, wondering why, if you had the ability to do that, you didnt commit to a win condition that couldve ended the game 40 turns ago >_>

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someone post that vid of the girl playing a monster in defense position and then getting annihilated by some XYZsynchrolink bullshit

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https://youtu.be/AUnPN385wLI

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Doe posted...

I disagree about "full on meta." You need synergy and coordination, a gameplan, and win conditions. There are tons of decks that can win games, even if they're not quite tournament viable. Especially if you run modern staples

You clearly haven't gone to a few locals then. A few local tournaments I have been to are nothing but Burning Abyss or Zoodiacs. You get the rare Blue-Eyes deck here and there but those are literally the only decks you see.

So it's literally meta or bust.

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

https://youtu.be/AUnPN385wLI

I memberpot of greed i had like 5 and a bunch of those cyber jars in my deck way back as a wee lad. No clue if it was a legal deck but yea. Lol

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WipWinkle posted...

You clearly haven't gone to a few locals then. A few local tournaments I have been to are nothing but Burning Abyss or Zoodiacs. You get the rare Blue-Eyes deck here and there but those are literally the only decks you see.

So it's literally meta or bust.

it really depends on the local scene but generally yeah. Theres always a few peeps running casual decks on the side, but at any decently populated store its almost always meta.

like fuck there was one guy, couldnt have been older then 20, running Nekroz when it was S-tier and like a thousand dollars for the whole kit. Then youve got people running triple ash blossom when its still a hundred bucks for a single. Like theres just not really a point to even trying in a lot of stores unless YuGiOh is your main hobby.

granted sometimes the meta is a lot more accessible. PenMagicians were really cheap, for instance. You could drop a lot of money to make it top-shelf, but a budget build would still do decently well.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

someone post that vid of the girl playing a monster in defense position and then getting annihilated by some XYZsynchrolink bullshit

How hot is she? @PatrickMahomes

Accidentally voted 4, just before I understood what you meant.

Nah, YGO has the most ridiculous power creep in the genre.

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Only if you draw Exodia on the first draw.

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DB_Insider posted...

How hot is she? PatrickMahomes

it's a stick figure drawing

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Nah, old decks definitely don't work anymore. However, most of the original archetypes get frequent enough legacy support that keeps them playable amongst other casual decks. Blue Eyes were actually meta a few years ago, and Dark Magician/Red Eyes got a new boss monster that unfortunately got abused in a bunch of other decks, last time I checked.

Even if they had access to the broken anime versions of all of the cards, absolutely not.

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Only if they're allowed to have the old banned cards like Raigeki, Heavy Storm, Delinquent Duo, Monster Reborn, Pot of Greed, etc...even without that you could use Wabakus and stay alive at least for a turn you would just have to activate it before your opponent does anything to negate it

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PatrickMahomes posted...

it's a stick figure drawing

Damn

Garioshi posted...

Even if they had access to the broken anime versions of all of the cards, absolutely not.

Card of Sanctity dude


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WipWinkle posted...

My only tip to even survive casual Yugioh is to go full on meta. That's just how broken YGO is nowadays. That's what everyone uses even in a causal format. Classic decks stand no chance even in the most casual of settings.

I wouldnt say the most casual of settings cant use old cards; specifically the settings of two friends who have old Yugioh cards in their attic somewhere pull out a bunch of old cards from random eras and just shove a deck together for fun. Now thats the casualest.

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greatmonkeybaby posted...

Like if a deck only consists of cards from the original series, is it even possible to compete with decks built off the new series 5D's/Zexal/Arc V/Vrains?

Or did the release of the new series cards cancel the effectiveness of original deck builds?

No chance at all. All the classic cards are just too slow to keep up. If they rehauled all those classic cards with current meta support, then things would be different.

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Only if they're allowed to have the old banned cards like Raigeki, Heavy Storm, Delinquent Duo, Monster Reborn, Pot of Greed, etc...even without that you could use Wabakus and stay alive at least for a turn you would just have to activate it before your opponent does anything to negate it

If they build their deck around drawing at least 2 copies of Delinquent Duo then that'll work on most meta decks even today. But only turn 1 likely, otherwise GG.

Ash Blossom is powerful but is 'once per turn' so they can only negate one becuase Delinquent Duo has no such clause. So if you draw two even with ash their going -3 at the least before their first turn.

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Doe posted...

Card of Sanctity dude

Doesn't matter how many cards you draw (unless you're running an Exodia deck), pretty much nothing can get rid of Beelze.

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Prismsblade posted...

If they build their deck around drawing at least 2 copies of Delinquent Duo then that'll work on most meta decks even today. But only turn 1 likely, otherwise GG.

Ash Blossom is powerful but is 'once per turn' so they can only negate one becuase Delinquent Duo has no such clause. So if you draw two even with ash their going -3 at the least before their first turn.

That's the purpose of the Wabakus they will also have access to Snatch Steal, Change of Heart, Graceful Charity,

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WipWinkle posted...

You clearly haven't gone to a few locals then. A few local tournaments I have been to are nothing but Burning Abyss or Zoodiacs. You get the rare Blue-Eyes deck here and there but those are literally the only decks you see.

So it's literally meta or bust.

I'm happy to hear blue eyes still gets played in todays game even if it's a little. I stopped going to locals after that new mechanic came out I spent 100's on my blue eyes deck at the time glad to hear I may still be able to use it.

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If there's no banlist and it's literally just DM series cards vs. every card from GX and on, maybe there is a case here. For one thing, you can run a bunch of draw power and Exodia or some janky pre-errata Makyura jank. All other decks just can't win. There's no boss mon/beatdown strong enough to beat any relevant modern decks with JUST old cards, not counting new support for old cards

Even then, they'd still lose more often than not because they'll just get hand trapped and need to run 5 (or more, but not advised probably) cards that do nothing. If the Exodia deck relies on retrieving pieces from the grave, then it'll just get like D.D. Crow'd or whatever equivalent, and a single Ash will probably be a loss to most duels because even with all these broken cards, they'll still need as many uninterrupted draws as possible to not run into a wall.

Also if they ever go second, they'll lose 100%. There is no world where an old card only deck will ever win going 2nd against any modern decks. This also makes it so that even if they win the dice roll, they'll still lose the 3rd duel because of side decking

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So at the end of the day if I use classic cards I must utilize new release support for them, or in highly competitive duels go meta or at least have a very well put together modern deck. understandable!

masticatingman posted...

I think if you like the old game you just have to stick with video games made around those rules at this point. I got some on the GBA.

I have/love the dark duel stories, eternal duelist soul, worldwide edition, and the sacred cards (and some for ps1/ps2) and a gx tag force on psp(forgot which one and where it is).

But my IRL deck is series 1/GX, all the friends I had played M.T.G. so I just build IRL decks for fun(idk why). But I think I'm going to build a second more modern deck for the hellz of it(after I finish watching the new series to get a feel for what I like).

Veggeta X posted...

I'm playing ARC V on my PSP and that game is amazing. It has all the series from YGO to ARC V.

I'm going to look into this game sounds fun thanks @Veggeta_X !

rideshort posted...

No chance at all. All the classic cards are just too slow to keep up. If they rehauled all those classic cards with current meta support, then things would be different.

Understandable, I'm going to cave and structure a deck that utilizes cards from yugioh series 3 to 7.

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Oh the ps1 yugioh game i have is forbidden memories(gotta replay it) and the ps2 yugioh game I have is duelist of the roses. Good times!

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Arc-V Special Tag Force is possibly the best official YGO game. Not quite a sim like the numbered Tag Force entries but there's a lot of people to duel against and importantly there's some pretty intelligent deck building in the game such that the older characters don't feel totally outmatched. Kaiba turbos out his Blue-Eyes on a dime for example. It also has anime card effect versions of some cards and anime only cards like Infernity Zero. And you can have Sora as a story partner <3

You will need an english patch tho

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Doe posted...

Arc-V Special Tag Force is possibly the best official YGO game. Not quite a sim like the numbered Tag Force entries but there's a lot of people to duel against and importantly there's some pretty intelligent deck building in the game such that the older characters don't feel totally outmatched. Kaiba turbos out his Blue-Eyes on a dime for example. It also has anime card effect versions of some cards and anime only cards like Infernity Zero. And you can have Sora as a story partner <3

You will need an english patch tho

English patch?

Doe posted...

Arc-V Special Tag Force is possibly the best official YGO game. Not quite a sim like the numbered Tag Force entries but there's a lot of people to duel against and importantly there's some pretty intelligent deck building in the game such that the older characters don't feel totally outmatched. Kaiba turbos out his Blue-Eyes on a dime for example. It also has anime card effect versions of some cards and anime only cards like Infernity Zero. And you can have Sora as a story partner <3

You will need an english patch tho

That sounds so fire!

And ahhh I see

DB_Insider posted...

English patch?

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DB_Insider posted...

English patch?

the game was not translated to English.

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