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Blue_Inigo 11/28/20 5:33:03 PM #1:	They were a stupid idea that constrains the series and was never thought out --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:947704994] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>They were a stupid idea that constrains the series and was never thought out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 11/28/20 5:34:50 PM #2:	Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:947705052] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/28/20 5:35:50 PM #3:	TomNook20 posted... Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously. The devs didn't really pick it up. It was written by a 3rd party and approved with all the scrutiny of the entire EU Legends under Lucas. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:947705083] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>TomNook20 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously.</quote> The devs didn't really pick it up. It was written by a 3rd party and approved with all the scrutiny of the entire EU Legends under Lucas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 11/28/20 5:38:35 PM #4:	How does it constrain the series, it's literally just extra universe building on top of what's already in the games. If anything laying out a broad framework of events gives good starting points for brainstorming new ideas. TomNook20 posted... Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously. Miyamoto and Aonuma mentioned the existence of the timeline split before anyone could have known it was a thing. --- https://imgur.com/kkm3QaD "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:947705177] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>How does it constrain the series, it's literally just extra universe building on top of what's already in the games. If anything laying out a broad framework of events gives good starting points for brainstorming new ideas. TomNook20 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, and it seems to be something that started as a meme in the fanbase but then the devs picked it up amd took it seriously.</quote> Miyamoto and Aonuma mentioned the existence of the timeline split before anyone could have known it was a thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom36 11/28/20 5:38:41 PM #5:	It was better before there was an official timeline, because the speculation was fun. Nintendo says there had always been an official timeline in mind, but I feel like they threw it together to appease the fans. When it came to fan theories before the official timeline was revealed, one of my favorite theories was the campfire story. These games were all the same story but retold by a different generation from a different perspective. As always, details change when stories are passed down through the generations. --- The Phantom has spoken! <cite>Phantom36 posted [p:947705180] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>It was better before there was an official timeline, because the speculation was fun. Nintendo says there had always been an official timeline in mind, but I feel like they threw it together to appease the fans. When it came to fan theories before the official timeline was revealed, one of my favorite theories was the campfire story. These games were all the same story but retold by a different generation from a different perspective. As always, details change when stories are passed down through the generations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 11/28/20 5:38:54 PM #6:	I'm still mad at the way the time lines were handled. When they announced the third timeline it made perfect sense to me that we get Child timeline, Adult timeline, and a Child Link is missing timeline(original timeline Link technically never returns to), instead we get a random Link got his cheeks clapped by Ganon and died ending. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:947705185] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>I'm still mad at the way the time lines were handled. When they announced the third timeline it made perfect sense to me that we get Child timeline, Adult timeline, and a Child Link is missing timeline(original timeline Link technically never returns to), instead we get a random Link got his cheeks clapped by Ganon and died ending. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 11/28/20 5:40:27 PM #7:	Spoken like someone who didn't live through the pre-timeline days where EVERYONE was banging on Nintendo's door demanding it. It's fine and quite frankly what has come out since then hasn't really seemed to care too much about it anyway. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:947705234] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Spoken like someone who didn't live through the pre-timeline days where EVERYONE was banging on Nintendo's door demanding it. It's fine and quite frankly what has come out since then hasn't really seemed to care too much about it anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 11/28/20 5:40:58 PM #8:	Phantom36 posted... When it came to fan theories before the official timeline was revealed, one of my favorite theories was the campfire story. These games were all the same story but retold by a different generation from a different perspective. As always, details change when stories are passed down through the generations. I can see the appeal of this but it makes no sense, most of the games clearly reference one or another. --- https://imgur.com/kkm3QaD "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:947705252] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Phantom36 posted... </cite> <quote>When it came to fan theories before the official timeline was revealed, one of my favorite theories was the campfire story. These games were all the same story but retold by a different generation from a different perspective. As always, details change when stories are passed down through the generations.</quote> I can see the appeal of this but it makes no sense, most of the games clearly reference one or another. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 11/28/20 5:42:35 PM #9:	The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid.... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:947705297] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/28/20 5:44:27 PM #10:	LordMarshal posted... The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid.... It's a destiny thing. Link is named link because destiny said the one who will inherit the triforce of courage is named link. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:947705348] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid....</quote> It's a destiny thing. Link is named link because destiny said the one who will inherit the triforce of courage is named link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 11/28/20 5:44:33 PM #11:	LordMarshal posted... The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid.... --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:947705351] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>The idea of generations of Links, silent protagonists and zeldas, princesses all named zelda?, gets really stupid....</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 11/28/20 5:46:01 PM #12:	I love it but I'm the kind of person who always wonders "what if" about things. Alternate history is really appealing to me for this reason. --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:947705399] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>I love it but I'm the kind of person who always wonders "what if" about things. Alternate history is really appealing to me for this reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/28/20 5:46:23 PM #13:	CM_Ponch posted... --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:947705414] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>CM_Ponch posted... </cite> <quote></quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 11/28/20 5:48:02 PM #14:	Tyranthraxus posted... You forgot his most important son, Grill --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:947705475] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote></quote>You forgot his most important son, Grill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 11/28/20 5:52:15 PM #15:	The only one I dislike is the Downfall timeline. The other two make sense. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:947705592] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The only one I dislike is the Downfall timeline. The other two make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gafemaqs 11/28/20 5:59:38 PM #16:	The end product of the Zelda timeline mess is Hyrule Warriors. Anime ruins everything. --- Not changing this sig until Biden is president. <cite>gafemaqs posted [p:947705842] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The end product of the Zelda timeline mess is Hyrule Warriors. Anime ruins everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 11/28/20 6:00:46 PM #17:	It's something that can be completely ignored and your enjoyment of the games wouldn't change one bit. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:947705881] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>It's something that can be completely ignored and your enjoyment of the games wouldn't change one bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 11/28/20 6:37:10 PM #18:	Lol, it doesn't constrain them at all. They can rewrite it and retcon anything, anytime. Look at ALBW, the first game that came out after the timeline was released. Ganon was dead at the end of ALttP, and ALBW only takes place around 200 years later. But Ganon is sealed instead of dead, because the story they came up with works better that way. It's something they can lean on and reference when making the story, which happens as they create the gameplay. It has --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:947707092] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Lol, it doesn't constrain them at all. They can rewrite it and retcon anything, anytime. Look at ALBW, the first game that came out after the timeline was released. Ganon was dead at the end of ALttP, and ALBW only takes place around 200 years later. But Ganon is sealed instead of dead, because the story they came up with works better that way. It's something they can lean on and reference when making the story, which happens as they create the gameplay. It has </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 11/28/20 6:44:41 PM #19:	The 3rd time line throws everything out of wack that isn't. That is like a different dimension. --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:947707318] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The 3rd time line throws everything out of wack that isn't. That is like a different dimension. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 11/28/20 6:49:33 PM #20:	The downfall timeline always struck me as out of place. Child and adult split occurs due to actual time travel and changing the past, but downfall is the result of a what-if at an arbitrary point in time. They might as well just make each new entry part of its own new timeline and then they'd only have to fit them in with existing titles. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:947707486] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The downfall timeline always struck me as out of place. Child and adult split occurs due to actual time travel and changing the past, but downfall is the result of a what-if at an arbitrary point in time. They might as well just make each new entry part of its own new timeline and then they'd only have to fit them in with existing titles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeeperOfShadows 11/28/20 7:10:34 PM #21:	I never got what was supposed to be so convoluted about it. Seems pretty basic, as far as series timelines go. --- Currently playing: DFFOO, FFBE <cite>KeeperOfShadows posted [p:947708131] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>I never got what was supposed to be so convoluted about it. Seems pretty basic, as far as series timelines go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/28/20 7:12:08 PM #22:	Hambo the Hog posted... The downfall timeline always struck me as out of place. Child and adult split occurs due to actual time travel and changing the past, but downfall is the result of a what-if at an arbitrary point in time. They might as well just make each new entry part of its own new timeline and then they'd only have to fit them in with existing titles. Yeah. It's stupid that apparently only the hero of time can fail and not any others. Also dumber is the Hero's shade apparently is in the timeline where he didn't fail so IDK how the fuck that's supposed to work. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:947708173] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Hambo the Hog posted... </cite> <quote>The downfall timeline always struck me as out of place. Child and adult split occurs due to actual time travel and changing the past, but downfall is the result of a what-if at an arbitrary point in time. They might as well just make each new entry part of its own new timeline and then they'd only have to fit them in with existing titles.</quote>Yeah. It's stupid that apparently only the hero of time can fail and not any others. Also dumber is the Hero's shade apparently is in the timeline where he didn't fail so IDK how the fuck that's supposed to work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 11/28/20 7:16:01 PM #23:	It stinks because Ocarina of Time becomes a lose-lose situation and it had the brightest ending of any in the series. ~~Link dies without an heir and his ghost wanders the afterlife in bitterness. And that's if he doesn't get killed by Gannon in the tower battle.~~ <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:947708292] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>It stinks because Ocarina of Time becomes a lose-lose situation and it had the brightest ending of any in the series. Link dies without an heir and his ghost wanders the afterlife in bitterness. And that's if he doesn't get killed by Gannon in the tower battle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 11/28/20 7:17:49 PM #24:	Tyranthraxus posted... Also dumber is the Hero's shade apparently is in the timeline where he didn't fail so IDK how the fuck that's supposed to work. He died of old age before Ganondorf returned --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:947708346] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Also dumber is the Hero's shade apparently is in the timeline where he didn't fail so IDK how the fuck that's supposed to work.</quote>He died of old age before Ganondorf returned </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
M-Watcher 11/28/20 7:25:14 PM #25:	The Zelda timeline is simple and literally only the Downfall Timeline is even slightly questionable. It does not constrain anything. I really don't understand why people are so vehemently against its existence. --- Currently playing / Backlog / Collection: https://howlongtobeat.com/user?n=M_Watcher <cite>M-Watcher posted [p:947708556] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The Zelda timeline is simple and literally only the Downfall Timeline is even slightly questionable. It does not constrain anything. I really don't understand why people are so vehemently against its existence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChrisTaka 11/28/20 7:29:18 PM #26:	Phantom36 posted... It was better before there was an official timeline This honestly, my problem wasn't that Link was some title that a person inherited, but rather it was when they started putting dates on stuff like "event X was after event Y but also happen during event Z in a different timeline" like wtf lol --- If Corona is so bad why not just make it illegal? thinking emoji <cite>ChrisTaka posted [p:947708677] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>Phantom36 posted... </cite> <quote>It was better before there was an official timeline</quote> This honestly, my problem wasn't that Link was some title that a person inherited, but rather it was when they started putting dates on stuff like "event X was after event Y but also happen during event Z in a different timeline" like wtf lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 11/28/20 7:32:39 PM #27:	The timeline made sense up to a certain point. Zelda 1 -> Zelda 2 was a direct sequel LttP was a prequel to 1, and LA was a direct sequel to that Then OoT was a Ganon origin story, with, again, its own direct sequel. And then WindWaker was easy enough to follow, because it spelled out explicitly how the previous game played into the story. So up to this point everything made sense. It was OoT (MM) -> LttP (LA) -> Zelda 1, Zelda 2 or OoT (MM) -> WW It was fucking Twilight Princess that fucked everything up because instead of just letting the child timeline lead to the imprisoning war, it made up its own story that was largely incompatible with the continuity that had been established. >_____> That said, the franchise is best enjoyed as a loosely connecting mythology than a strict timeline, because Nintendo refuses to actually do any world building, and just makes up new stuff for each game anyway <_< Seriously, they need to abandon Ganon altogether at this point. The franchise doesn't need him, and constantly finding excuses to justify his existence in each game after he's been killed/sealed more times than fucking Naraku strains the enjoyability of the stories. (RIP Zant) --- #1 Kaiju Fangirl https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:947708763] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>The timeline made sense up to a certain point. Zelda 1 -> Zelda 2 was a direct sequel LttP was a prequel to 1, and LA was a direct sequel to that Then OoT was a Ganon origin story, with, again, its own direct sequel. And then WindWaker was easy enough to follow, because it spelled out explicitly how the previous game played into the story. So up to this point everything made sense. It was OoT (MM) -> LttP (LA) -> Zelda 1, Zelda 2 or OoT (MM) -> WW It was fucking Twilight Princess that fucked everything up because instead of just letting the child timeline lead to the imprisoning war, it made up its own story that was largely incompatible with the continuity that had been established. >_____> That said, the franchise is best enjoyed as a loosely connecting mythology than a strict timeline, because Nintendo refuses to actually do any world building, and just makes up new stuff for each game anyway <_< Seriously, they need to abandon Ganon altogether at this point. The franchise doesn't need him, and constantly finding excuses to justify his existence in each game after he's been killed/sealed more times than fucking Naraku strains the enjoyability of the stories. (RIP Zant) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
M-Watcher 11/28/20 7:58:22 PM #28:	AlisLandale posted... It was fucking Twilight Princess that fucked everything up because instead of just letting the child timeline lead to the imprisoning war, it made up its own story that was largely incompatible with the continuity that had been established. >_____> An often ignored game, Four Swords Adventures, is quite nearly the Imprisoning War, and takes place after Twilight Princess in the timeline, being the last game in the Child Timeline. My gripe with the timeline is that the entire Downfall Timeline could easily come after Four Swords Adventures. FSA even uses the same basic Hyrule design as A Link to the Past. They could simply have the Imprisoning War be some off-screen thing that took place between FSA and ALttP and it would be just fine. The Downfall Timeline basically only exists because Ocarina of Time was supposed to be the Imprisoning War, and they didn't want to let that go. The problem, of course, is the Imprisoning War did not have a hero... so they killed the Hero of Time to explain why it ended up the way it did. --- Currently playing / Backlog / Collection: https://howlongtobeat.com/user?n=M_Watcher <cite>M-Watcher posted [p:947709527] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote>It was fucking Twilight Princess that fucked everything up because instead of just letting the child timeline lead to the imprisoning war, it made up its own story that was largely incompatible with the continuity that had been established. >_____></quote>An often ignored game, Four Swords Adventures, is quite nearly the Imprisoning War, and takes place after Twilight Princess in the timeline, being the last game in the Child Timeline. My gripe with the timeline is that the entire Downfall Timeline could easily come after Four Swords Adventures. FSA even uses the same basic Hyrule design as A Link to the Past. They could simply have the Imprisoning War be some off-screen thing that took place between FSA and ALttP and it would be just fine. The Downfall Timeline basically only exists because Ocarina of Time was supposed to be the Imprisoning War, and they didn't want to let that go. The problem, of course, is the Imprisoning War did not have a hero... so they killed the Hero of Time to explain why it ended up the way it did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcyWarcy 11/28/20 8:03:46 PM #29:	it was pretty funny that people were desperate for one for ages and then when nintendo gave in they provided something completely stupid and nonsensical as punishment <cite>MarcyWarcy posted [p:947709690] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>it was pretty funny that people were desperate for one for ages and then when nintendo gave in they provided something completely stupid and nonsensical as punishment </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 11/29/20 12:14:34 AM #30:	MarcyWarcy posted... it was pretty funny that people were desperate for one for ages and then when nintendo gave in they provided something completely stupid and nonsensical as punishment That's Nintendo. --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:947716582] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>MarcyWarcy posted... </cite> <quote>it was pretty funny that people were desperate for one for ages and then when nintendo gave in they provided something completely stupid and nonsensical as punishment</quote> That's Nintendo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 11/29/20 12:16:43 AM #31:	BotW was a mistake. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:947716633] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>BotW was a mistake. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ziggyshack 11/29/20 12:18:16 AM #32:	cjsdowg posted... That's Nintendo. --- "Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." -George Carlin <cite>Ziggyshack posted [p:947716671] in The Zelda ... [t:79141290]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite> <quote>That's Nintendo.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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