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Keith_Valentine
11/23/20 3:14:24 PM
#151:


DEKMStephens posted...
Kinda weird so many people in here don't seem to understand George Orwell. Seems like they'd have us believe he was a capitalist lol

Tell us what we didnt understand. From what i gather he was in the middle of both. Both unchecked would lead to disaster.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...
You keep trying to change the subject, you should probably stop.

Im responding to what you are saying, and not saying. If i were you i would want me to stop as well, all the hot girls might not send you PMs or elect you to the office that exists in your mind.



And that isn't conducive to society running properly, when it comes to resource management and distribution, so we should do our best to mitigate and eliminate it.

We should use social engineering to try to correct human nature against their will. Who decides what is correct, obviously a genius intellectual class such as yourself. Youre so enlightened you can show people how stupid they are and you wont even reward yourself with money or power for sharing this knowledge. Youre a gamefaqs poster so you think your ideas have a lot of merit in creating a better society thats never been tried before out of the current most powerful nation in the world. Which is a failure iyo besides the fact people are willing to die to get here and its generated more prosperity than anything in the history of human life. Which country do you admire btw as an approximate example of your ideals?



So, you've given up on arguing about the demerits of capitalism? Cool.

Youre essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and saying capitalism sucks nyah nyah nyah and so does KV. What argument, you ignored so many.
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/23/20 3:25:56 PM
#152:


Keith_Valentine posted...


Tell us what we didnt understand. From what i gather he was in the middle of both. Both unchecked would lead to disaster.

Animal Farm is a critique of totalitarianism, not socialism/communism. George Orwell was a Democratic Socialist.

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Questionmarktarius
11/23/20 3:26:50 PM
#153:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Animal Farm is a critique of totalitarianism, not socialism/communism. George Orwell was a Democratic Socialist.
Animal Farm was a more a warning about recreating what you just toppled.
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/23/20 3:28:25 PM
#154:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Animal Farm was a more a warning about recreating what you just toppled.

Okay....

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Questionmarktarius
11/23/20 3:29:34 PM
#155:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Okay....
That's why the cartoon invented a "topple it again" scene at the end. The bummer ending was the whole point.
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/23/20 3:31:37 PM
#156:


Questionmarktarius posted...
That's why the cartoon invented a "topple it again" scene at the end. The bummer ending was the whole point.

Yes, but what does this have to do with Keith's fundamental misunderstanding of Animal Farm?

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Questionmarktarius
11/23/20 3:34:27 PM
#157:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Yes, but what does this have to do with Keith's fundamental misunderstanding of Animal Farm?
Wasn't it Keith who watched the cartoon?
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/23/20 3:35:46 PM
#158:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Wasn't it Keith who watched the cartoon?

Nah it was someone else

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Questionmarktarius
11/23/20 3:36:10 PM
#159:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Nah it was someone else
Ah.
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MajesticFerret
11/23/20 3:38:29 PM
#160:


Unfortunately until we develop robots for manual labor and jobs no one wants to do, society only works because of wealth inequality.

"Rich" is defined by excess wealth in that you should be able to no longer work and still afford whatever life style standard you want. It's why it's kinda an arbitrary metric as people who some would define as rich wouldn't define themselves as rich as they have to keep working in order to maintain their lifestyle but if they downgraded lifestyle they could have retired long ago.

If everyone could not work...no one would work and society would crumble. If everyone could afford a college degree, we would run out of jobs for degreed people and people with degrees would have to settle for jobs they are overqualified for.

The funny thing is most people could retire and live off nature or some Communistic Amish style community whenever they want, but Capitalism has brainwashed people that unless they have a big money pit house, big money pit car, money pit vacations, overly nice food and drink, not having to cook for themselves, and all of the money pit modern amenities, they aren't doing well enough. Gotta keep the poor people salty that they aren't rich and entitled to that "good life" so they envy them and chase wealth until the day they die.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/23/20 3:39:48 PM
#161:


MajesticFerret posted...
The funny thing is most people could retire and live off nature or some Communistic Amish style community whenever they want

lmao
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Solid Snake07
11/23/20 3:45:18 PM
#162:


Currency isn't a finite thing my guy

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Keith_Valentine
11/23/20 4:11:05 PM
#163:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Animal Farm is a critique of totalitarianism, not socialism/communism. George Orwell was a Democratic Socialist.



Where has totalitarianism popped up repeatedly after making claims to be for the working class? Bourgeois and class warfare. Youre yappin and you didnt even understand what the fuck i was saying. Useful _____

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Yes, but what does this have to do with Keith's fundamental misunderstanding of Animal Farm?

Enlighten me. Actually... dont. I dont even wana hear your sloppy thoughts. Originally you said using it to illustrate a point wasnt valid and now you wana argue about what the lessons were. No thanks , already spiked it , not my problem if it wooshes.
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averagejoel
11/23/20 4:13:59 PM
#164:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Currency isn't a finite thing my guy
currency is a stand-in for resources, which are finite

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/23/20 4:15:30 PM
#165:


Keith_Valentine posted...


Where has totalitarianism popped up repeatedly after making claims to be for the working class? Bourgeois and class warfare. Youre yappin and you didnt even understand what the fuck i was saying. Useful _____

Yes, Animal Farm was an allegory for Soviet Communism. But it wasn't just a story about "hurr durr communism bad".

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IShall_Run_Amok
11/23/20 5:04:22 PM
#166:


Keith_Valentine posted...
We should use social engineering to try to correct human nature against their will.
Well, if you insist.

This guy knows what he wants, I'll give him that.

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Solid Snake07
11/23/20 8:54:30 PM
#167:


averagejoel posted...
currency is a stand-in for resources, which are finite


It's a unit of exchange for resources, which isnt really the same thing

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pikachupwnage
11/23/20 8:59:58 PM
#168:


Prismsblade posted...
Then why is our QoL much better now then it was 100 years ago?

He created amazon, a amazing service that most of the country loves utilizes and that hes constantly improving to better serve its customers.

That and if you want someone to help the needy, agree to raise your damn taxs and tell goverment to do so, that's their job.

Technological advancement is obviously why. I question how this is not immediately apparent to you.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/23/20 9:05:34 PM
#169:


pikachupwnage posted...
Technological advancement is obviously why. I question how this is not immediately apparent to you.

Now ask yourself why technological advancement takes place!
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Hop103
11/23/20 9:09:56 PM
#170:


Pure socialist propaganda. Folks need to stop thinking that capitalism can be replaced, it can't without millions suffering or dead.
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averagejoel
11/23/20 9:22:50 PM
#171:


Solid Snake07 posted...
It's a unit of exchange for resources, which isnt really the same thing
regardless, the resources are still finite

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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 1:36:33 AM
#172:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Now ask yourself why technological advancement takes place!
You mean when the soviets beat the americans at the space race and then the butthurt americans moved the goalposts to the moon?

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IShall_Run_Amok
11/24/20 1:43:35 AM
#173:


Hop103 posted...
Pure socialist propaganda. Folks need to stop thinking that capitalism can be replaced, it can't without millions suffering or dead.
Capitalism already causes millions of dead per year, and is poised to wipe humanity from the face of the Earth, so I'm not convinced. Bring on the replacements.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 3:32:35 AM
#174:


1337toothbrush posted...
You mean when the soviets beat the americans at the space race and then the butthurt americans moved the goalposts to the moon?

is there an authoritarian nation you don't simp for
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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 3:38:02 AM
#175:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
is there an authoritarian nation you don't simp for
Pointing out facts isn't simping. Your blind nationalism is simping.

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SocksForWokMAX5
11/24/20 3:41:43 AM
#176:


1337toothbrush posted...
Pointing out facts isn't simping. Your blind nationalism is simping.

Ironic statement as socialist/communist nations rely on nationalism as one means to control the masses...

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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 3:46:05 AM
#177:


SocksForWokMAX5 posted...
Ironic statement as socialist/communist nations rely on nationalism as one means to control the masses...
Like MAGA?

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 3:50:09 AM
#178:


1337toothbrush posted...
Pointing out facts isn't simping.

How deep down the tankie rabbit hole are you that you think the USSR had a technological edge over the US lmao
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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 3:51:38 AM
#179:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
How deep down the tankie rabbit hole are you that you think the USSR had a technological edge over the US lmao
They had the technological edge in one aspect for a temporary time. Don't get too butthurt over it.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 3:54:48 AM
#180:


1337toothbrush posted...
They had the technological edge in one aspect for a temporary time.

Yeah I know that's what I've been arguing but thanks for the support.
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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 3:59:00 AM
#181:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Yeah I know that's what I've been arguing but thanks for the support.
No you aren't. You're minimizing the rapid advancements made even by the soviets. You're giving too much credit to capitalism which is fitting since capitalism is all about taking the credit for the work of others.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 4:01:08 AM
#182:


I'm not minimizing anything everyone knows the USSR was vastly inferior the US, you're literally arguing for me.
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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:03:47 AM
#183:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Now ask yourself why technological advancement takes place!

Not because of capitalism, thats for sure. Capitalism incentivizes doing the least work possible for the most gain possible. Hence why there are 50 Facebook-esque websites and tons of companies selling what is essentially detritus dressed up in a pretty outfit.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 4:04:45 AM
#184:


Shablagoo posted...
Capitalism incentivizes doing the least work possible for the most gain possible.

Why are you guys supporting my arguments hahaha what the fuck is going on?
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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:09:38 AM
#185:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Why are you guys supporting my arguments hahaha what the fuck is going on?

I can refer you to someone if you need.

When I say capitalism Im referring (obviously) to the tiny elite class of capitalists/feudal lords that own everything; capitalism fucks over the majority of human beings.

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1337toothbrush
11/24/20 4:13:05 AM
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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 4:16:01 AM
#187:


Shablagoo posted...
capitalism fucks over the majority of human beings

GlobalPovertyRates.jpg

1337toothbrush posted...
Broseph must have a fetish for embarrassing himself.

Stop projecting.
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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:16:36 AM
#188:


1337toothbrush posted...
Broseph must have a fetish for embarrassing himself.

With the dumb shit he says, I probably should feel bad for enabling his self-pleasure. But, on the other hand, I dont mind helping another person feel good (ironically, Broseph would hate if he did that).

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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:18:18 AM
#189:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
GlobalPovertyRates.jpg

LoweringTheStandardForPovertyYearly.jpg

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 4:20:20 AM
#190:


Shablagoo posted...
LoweringTheStandardForPovertyYearly.jpg

ThatsNotHowPovertyIsMeasured.txt
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Solid Snake07
11/24/20 4:40:11 AM
#191:


averagejoel posted...
regardless, the resources are still finite


Which doesn't change the fact that currency isn't, which is what I said initially.....

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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:40:31 AM
#192:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
ThatsNotHowPovertyIsMeasured.txt

EnjoyTheTasteOfThemBoots.png

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Shablagoo
11/24/20 4:41:49 AM
#193:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Which doesn't change the fact that currency isn't, which is what I said initially.....

Will currency be useful without material goods?

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Solid Snake07
11/24/20 4:45:18 AM
#194:


Shablagoo posted...
Will currency be useful without material goods?


Currency is only as useful as it's collectively agreed upon value

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Broseph_Stalin
11/24/20 4:51:12 AM
#195:


Shablagoo posted...
EnjoyTheTasteOfThemBoots.png

Dudes who defend the communist party of china are always the ones trying to play the bootlicker card aren't they?
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Solid Snake07
11/24/20 4:55:24 AM
#196:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Dudes who defend the communist party of china are always the ones trying to play the bootlicker card aren't they?


While they lick the tastiest of boots

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Keith_Valentine
11/24/20 4:55:34 AM
#197:


Poverty in the US 50 years ago was going hungry and wearing handdown clothes that didnt fit. Now the gov gives homeless people suboxone so they dont kill themselves with heroin and you can buy steak w food stamps. Expectations grow, entitlement grows, then government grows. All you have to do is vote for the nice guy who gives you the free shit and says stuff and you will be taken care of. We just take it from this fucker who works hard and doesnt deserve it and give it to you, just check that box. Got your back like a Big brother
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shnangyboos
11/24/20 5:16:21 AM
#198:


What are we replacing capitalism with again? People who shit on capitalism never seem to suggest an alternative.

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Keith_Valentine
11/24/20 5:24:43 AM
#199:


shnangyboos posted...
What are we replacing capitalism with again? People who shit on capitalism never seem to suggest an alternative.

Theyre almost always some form of commie and they never admit it. Thats why i at least respect joel for being upfront about it. I dont agree with him but he isnt dishonest or sneaky in his beliefs as far as that goes.

Reminds me of satanists. You ever look them right in the face and say "oh so you worship the dark lord of evil". And theyre evasive .. nah man, thats not what it is. God did horrible things etc Satan is like a rejection of that and restoring power to man . blah blah blah. We dont sacrifice cats and shit. Ok.. so why is your belief system named after the Morning Star , bringer of Hell and destruction? Silence ~
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Shablagoo
11/24/20 5:33:30 AM
#201:


Good to see Keith is having a normal day. Was worried about him for a sec.

shnangyboos posted...
What are we replacing capitalism with again? People who shit on capitalism never seem to suggest an alternative.

The alternative is democracy, where people reap the rewards of the sweat of their brows.

P.S. One does not need to offer a solution to point out a problem.

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