Current Events > Do any non Americans here wish they had our healthcare system?

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And explain if you dont mind

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I'm American and I've had so little interaction that I don't care too much eitherway, just born healthy I guess.

i heard that sometimes people get charged for ambulances. and the hellish cost to have children

im sure its not as bad as i think it is, especially if you have good insurance. but healthcare should be for everyone

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I'm Australian. And hell to the no.

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Parappa09 posted...

i heard that sometimes people get charged for ambulances. and the hellish cost to have children

im sure its not as bad as i think it is, especially if you have good insurance. but healthcare should be for everyone

It is as bad as people say it is.

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Parappa09 posted...

i heard that sometimes people get charged for ambulances

Ambulance and transport bills are considered separate from the treatment, yes. If you call an ambulance here, don't be surprised if your insurance fights to deem it unnecessary and pass the cost onto you for reasons such as "you could've had someone else drive you there instead".

Parappa09 posted...

im sure its not as bad as i think it is

No, it's probably worse than you think it is.

It will literally cost you $500 for a 10 mile ambulance ride with no insurance in the USA

Having a child without insurance is over $10,000

This nation's healthcare system is criminal and disgusting

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MabusIncarnate posted...

It will literally cost you $500 for a 10 mile ambulance ride with no insurance in the USA

Having a child without insurance is over $10,000

This nation's healthcare system is criminal and disgusting

Get a job. Even fast food jobs offer insurance. Every "basic" insurance i have had completely covers emergency services.

If you cant get a job, get medicade. Especially if you have kids, the DHS is more than willing to give you insurance and you can go for other benefits as well.

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Flauros posted...

Get a job.

America in a nutshell, everyone.
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ConquestOfBread posted...

America in a nutshell, everyone.

Pretty much.

And if that "get a job" is a comment towards me, i've been employed for 21 years and own my house, mortgage is paid off. A lot of the shitty insurance that low end jobs offer require $500+ deductibles before you can even see a doctor, and a majority of the nation working paycheck to paycheck who struggle to eat don't have that expendable amount of money. Like I said, it's a nation that shits all over low poverty people and it's sickening.

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Any others?

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One of my old jobss cheapest insurance was like, close to 200 dollars out of each paycheck. It was a basic ass convenience store job too so the paychecks were like barely hitting 500. I had to choose between healthcare and paying the bills lmao.

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Non American

Fuck no
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*laughs in Canadian*
Fuck. No.

Flauros posted...

Get a job. Even fast food jobs offer insurance. Every "basic" insurance i have had completely covers emergency services.

If you cant get a job, get medicade. Especially if you have kids, the DHS is more than willing to give you insurance and you can go for other benefits as well.

Fast food can't even pay for a one bedroom apartment.

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if it helps americans, i do envy your fast food and portion sizes

sure it's unhealthy and US food standards aren't great, but sometimes i watch man v food and feel like once in my life i want to have a 10lb burger that looks like it'll give me a heart attack

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Parappa09 posted...

sometimes i watch man v food and feel like once in my life i want to have a 10lb burger that looks like it'll give me a heart attack

you and me both brother
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american. im literally not even an adult, and ive already seen how terrible our healthcare system is. if i ever have the chance to move out of america, i will. my friends and i are all considering it. theres a lot of bad things here, and healthcare is a big problem

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American and health care is shit. Hopefully Biden can change it for the better. Not betting on it though

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Capitalism fucking blows.

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I'm Dutch, and I'd rather have the kind of health insurance I'm used to. Although I do complain about how it becomes more expensive each year and that I don't get my money's worth, that is in part due to my good health and due to the fact that dental costs are not covered for me (having those covered would cost me significantly more than my average annual dental costs.
However It is nice to not have to worry much about costs if something really bad were to happen to me unexpectedly. And I'm glad I can just get a doctor's appointment whenever I want, as that is covered as well.

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american healthcare is a bad joke

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Hell no

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I've worked on an ambulance, in a hospital, and doctor's office

It actually is as bad as they say. Most people who call 911 are scum of the earth types who don't pay the ambulance or hospital, so regular people (1/10 calls) pay for all of those people. You can have insurance, which limits how much you spend, but that number can be ridiculously high

there are plenty of stories like "why didn't you go to the doctor?? it turned out to be cancer!" Cause I can't afford a $400 bill for a three minute conversation about a rash I hope just goes away?

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worst part is sometimes an ambulance is called as a formality, and they make you use it even if you don't need it. one time and ambulance was called for me even though I really didn't need it, it was $700 to drive a few blocks away.

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I hope not. i've gone without health insurance basically my entire adult life because I don't want the expense for something I'm probably not going to use much.

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I literally can't even visualize not paying out the ass if I needed an ambulance ride and emergency care. And I do have employer insurance.

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au_gold posted...

Capitalism fucking blows.

Everything else out of the water!

I'm American and frankly, fuck our healthcare system. Our country literally punishes people for just trying to survive in the system they set up to intentionally hold others down.

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As someone that works for a healthcare system - The system used in the US is a terrible design. With the insurance tied to employed people all it does it bloat the cost for everyone. Insurance companies add tons of admin costs, and patients that can't afford emergency services end up not paying the hospital anything. Which still gets past onto everyone else, or bankrupts the person that got treated.

Our system also creates so many odd problems that wouldn't otherwise exist.
The doctor will charge $400 for a procedure knowing that insurance will only cover $200. But if you have no insurance you'll pay the full $400. Insurance companies encourage this arrangement because then they can say they save their customers 50%.

Then there is the whole weird in network, out of network thing. Where somehow some doctors inside a hospital can be in network and others are out of network. And no one knows while they are treating you.

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American. No LOL

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Nope but I've heard other canadians complain about our health system which is fair it's not perfect but for specialized care, emergency care and the ability to get certain doctors and care is better in America.


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Bmp

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Id prb be dead or homeless if we had that so so fuck no

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Good luck if you get cancer outside of the U.S.

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My first round of chemo had to be done in the hospital. It was a 6 day stay. Included an EKG, A Spinal Fluid test, a bone marrow biopsy, surgical implantation of a port, and 5 days of chemotherapy. The bill was 86k. That only includes the hospital stay, the Chemo, and the procedures. The lab work and anesthesia were billed separately and were about another 5-6k. The insurance negotiated it down to 36k. I paid my max out of pocket, which is 3200. If I didn't have insurance I would have been on the hook for the full 86k.

Realistically if I didn't have insurance I would be dead because I would have refused treatment.

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I worked with a guy from Canada and he said he liked that he can get a procedure done within a reasonable amount of time. He told me in Canada it could take months to get an appointment.

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Why would any non-American wish such a horrible system on themselves?

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Yadoken posted...

Good luck if you get cancer outside of the U.S.

Youve actually IDd one of the few things our system does better.
But the outcomes really arent anywhere near better enough to mitigate the high chance of going bankrupt because you developed cancer, you lazy ass leech!

LanHikari10 posted...

Why would any non-American wish such a horrible system on themselves?

Almost half of Americans love to argue against universal healthcare, so I wanted to see how many non Americans envy our healthcare system.

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ConquestOfBread posted...

America in a nutshell, everyone.

Their solutions always boil down to band-aiding the problem instead of fixing it because they still want corporations to make billions.

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There are countries that make you pay 80% up front for a life-saving procedure. You're also responsible for keeping your own hospital room clean. Your family ends up cleaning it if you have any.

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