Board 8 > Do you drive it or ride it? Day 1: Motorcycle

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MrSmartGuy
11/15/20 2:16:28 PM
#1:


Inspired by the dumbest argument in the history of sports discord


Thanks, Wigs, Nick, and Bartz.

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WiggumFan267
11/15/20 2:21:00 PM
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both! I think

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NFUN
11/15/20 2:29:08 PM
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...both?

two wheels, go zoom

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KCF0107
11/15/20 3:08:37 PM
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I think it depends if you are the one operating it or are a mere passenger
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Drakeryn
11/15/20 3:11:02 PM
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KCF0107 posted...
I think it depends if you are the one operating it or are a mere passenger

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banananor
11/15/20 3:13:21 PM
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bolth

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VintageGin
11/15/20 3:32:33 PM
#7:


Ride it

There's a reason "Do you ride?" is a common way of asking if someone rides a motorcycle

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azuarc
11/15/20 4:14:58 PM
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Day 1? What else can you do this topic with? A golf cart?

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MrSmartGuy
11/15/20 4:51:22 PM
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Oh you have no fucking idea what we got into in the sports chat.

.... except I guess you will now, cuz I'm just gonna post a list of things we discussed that could potentially be "driven".

Golf cart
Remote-Controlled Car Toy
Little Tyke cars with batteries
Little Tyke cars with a steering wheel, but you have to use your feet
Motor-powered scooters
Razor Scooters
Skateboards
Roller Skates
Motorboats
Sailboats
Paddle-boat
Canoe
Pedal tavern/party bike
Treadmills
Stairmasters
Horse
Horse, but you're the "driver" of a carriage behind it
Teacups at Disneyland

Paste which ones you think you could properly use the word "drive" in place of the word "operate".

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StealThisSheen
11/15/20 5:31:15 PM
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"Ride" is more common, but "drive" is more correct. You get a motorcycle driver's license, after all.

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azuarc
11/15/20 5:53:38 PM
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Drive
Golf cart
Horse, but you're the "driver" of a carriage behind it

Ride
Little Tyke cars with batteries
Little Tyke cars with a steering wheel, but you have to use your feet
Motor-powered scooters
Horse

Neither
Remote-Controlled Car Toy
Razor Scooters
Skateboards
Roller Skates
Motorboats
Sailboats
Paddle-boat
Canoe
Treadmills
Stairmasters

WTF?
Teacups at Disneyland

No idea what this is
Pedal tavern/party bike

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azuarc
11/15/20 5:54:43 PM
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Also, no go-kart?

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KingButz
11/15/20 5:54:59 PM
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Wait, you don't ride a skateboard??
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azuarc
11/15/20 5:58:00 PM
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Eh, I guess. By that argument, the Razr Scooters, too. I don't think of it as "riding a skateboard," though. Do you ride a surfboard?

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Forceful_Dragon
11/15/20 6:00:03 PM
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Can I nominate "submarime" and "paramotor"?

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KingButz
11/15/20 6:20:10 PM
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I go skating or go surfing, but i feel like I "ride" them too.

I would ride a surfboard before I would surf a surfboard
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Nanis23
11/15/20 6:23:56 PM
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Voted for Ride

But my English sucks which means Drive is the correct choice

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Johnbobb
11/15/20 7:17:25 PM
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azuarc posted...
Teacups at Disneyland
dude that's literally called a carnival ride

you ride it

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azuarc
11/16/20 1:14:27 AM
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Johnbobb posted...
dude that's literally called a carnival ride

you ride it

Yes, my question is why is it even here. How would you possibly drive it? Like, if you said the cars in the speedway circuit, whatever you call that, yeah, maybe you drive that rather than ride it since you have control over the movement. And you definitely drive a bumper car. But I'm struggling to think of other amusement park rides that you would ever classify as driving.

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MrSmartGuy
11/16/20 1:20:38 AM
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Look, our discussion lead to an assertion that most things with steering wheels are in the "drive" category and the teacups were thrown out as an antithesis. It was a very dumb discussion in general, and I just made this topic to put into perspective just how mind-numbing it was.

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NFUN
11/16/20 1:34:16 AM
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you drive anything that you are the direct and principle controller of and you ride anything that allows you to be a passenger

these definitions are just... correct, and they're not mutually exclusive

i was going to throw out an example that this argument is like arguing, I dunno, whether cats vs jellyfish vs sponges vs mushrooms are animals... and then I realized that that's not really out of the question for #sports, is it

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TomNook
11/16/20 1:36:06 AM
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I think a motor seems to be the main thing that turns something into Drive (in conjunction with not being a passenger).

Because you ride a bike, you ride a skateboard, you ride a sled, you ride a horse. Even though you are capable of steering them, the motor is what makes things like driving a car, driving a motorcycle, driving a forklift, etc.

The one that stands out from the examples as being different is the horse carriage, but that's more of a different definition of drive, and could be more closely related to driving a nail into a piece of wood or driving away a wolf from your sheep.

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NFUN
11/16/20 1:41:06 AM
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TomNook posted...
I think a motor seems to be the main thing that turns something into Drive.

Because you ride a bike, you ride a skateboard, you ride a sled, you ride a horse. Even though you are capable of steering them, the motor is what makes things like driving a car, driving a motorcycle, driving a forklift, etc.

The one that stands out from the examples as being different is the horse carriage, but that's more of a different definition of drive, and could be more closely related to driving a nail into a piece of wood.
People would probably object to saying you "drive" an airplane, even though that's not really different than driving a car. I suppose I can allow that driving a carriage or driving sled dogs is a different manner of "drive" than driving a vehicle and shouldn't really count, but even then, you're just adding one more qualification to the still pretty unambiguous term, and motorcycles cleanly fall well inside either definition

My heuristic justifying my definition is basically "how confused would I be if somebody used the term in real life".
  • "Drive a car". Perfectly fine, obviously
  • "Drive a motorcycle". Equally fine
  • "Drive a skateboard". A little weird, but whatever
  • "Drive a treadmill". You're smoking crack


and i think the topic in general wants to imply that you "ride" something only if you don't "drive" it?

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TomNook
11/16/20 1:43:48 AM
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NFUN posted...
People would probably object to saying you "drive" an airplane, even though that's not really different than driving a car.
There could also be a case that land, air, and water have different terms for 'driving', and that drive refers just to the land vehicles.

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NFUN
11/16/20 1:51:09 AM
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TomNook posted...
There could also be a case that land, air, and water have different terms for 'driving', and that drive refers just to the land vehicles.
you totally drive a boat though


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TomNook
11/16/20 2:00:19 AM
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NFUN posted...
you totally drive a boat though
Do you? I've always heard people say sail, row, captain, steer, or operate.

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redrocket
11/16/20 6:06:03 AM
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NFUN posted...
you drive anything that you are the direct and principle controller of and you ride anything that allows you to be a passenger


This, with a couple of caveats. For motorcycles/bicycles it is very common in colloquial speech to use the term ride either way. That said, drive is still (for motorcycles anyway) technically correct for the principal operator. You can use either one depending on context/social setting.

Also, for boats the proper nautical term for the operator is pilot/piloting.


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Drakeryn
11/16/20 1:06:22 PM
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NFUN posted...
you totally drive a boat though

I think this also falls under the motor rule

like, you drive a speedboat

you definitely don't drive a rowboat
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NFUN
11/16/20 1:11:51 PM
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Drakeryn posted...
I think this also falls under the motor rule

like, you drive a speedboat

you definitely don't drive a rowboat
yeah, that's what i meant. was just addressing the land/air/sea trilemma thing. I'm of the mind that if you drive a skateboard and you drive a speedboat, you drive a rowboat, and if you don't drive a skateboard and do drive a speedboat, then you don't drive a rowboat

really though, from a physics perspective, "drive" describes what you do on a skateboard or rowboat perfectly

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azuarc
11/16/20 7:36:45 PM
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So do you drive a screw or do you ride a screw?

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Whiskey_Nick
11/16/20 7:50:09 PM
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I maintain I can drive a treadmill because it has treads and so do tanks

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MZero
11/17/20 5:15:46 AM
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personally i would never say "drive a motorcycle" and it sounds weird to be. I was always say ride

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Steiner
11/17/20 5:20:44 AM
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no

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Maniac64
11/17/20 10:14:08 AM
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you could say drive a motorboat but more often I'd use steer. And definitely steer or sail for a sailboat.

And yeah row/paddle for canoe/kayak.

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