Poll of the Day > Have you ever heard of a gender-reveal party?

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JigsawTDC 11/10/20 3:45:06 PM #51:	LinkPizza posted... Does this happen often? I dont know many parents who talk to their kids about their gender reveal party. Or kids that know about their own gender reveal party. So, Im confused as to how a gender reveal party is ever going to affect a kid, trans or not... Id hate to say this, but this really does sound like Virtue Signaling... Often? Probably not. I mean, gender reveal parties are very new, so I doubt we have much, if any, data in that regard anyway. But, I'd find it strange if the majority of recipients didn't find out about their own gender reveal party at some point in life. I mean, it could be as casually as a family friend just bringing it up in a tangent, or perhaps the child is just scrolling through their parents old pictures and posts. It's like finding out about your own baby shower, except the focus is specifically on your genitalia. And in the age of social media and constant oversharing, I'd find it hard to believe that a party specifically meant to bring attention to something goes undocumented. Or at least the vast majority of these parties. If you happen to be non-binary or trans, finding out about your own gender reveal could certainly have a negative impact. Seeing or hearing about a group of people celebrating something you know you're not can feel like a denial of your actual identity, even if it wasn't done knowingly or with ill intent. There could be other consequences I am not thinking of. Or it could be a non-issue for them and they don't give a shit about what people did before they were boring. The point is, I don't care about gender reveal parties in the slightest. If there's even a marginal chance it could have a negative impact on my hypothetical child, it's no loss to me to just avoid doing it. I fail to see how this is "virtue signaling" though. It's the topic of conversation for this thread, and I'm sharing my personal viewpoint. I tend tune out when people use sensationalist phrasing that pretends like "virtue" is a bad word though. <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:946999474] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Does this happen often? I dont know many parents who talk to their kids about their gender reveal party. Or kids that know about their own gender reveal party. So, Im confused as to how a gender reveal party is ever going to affect a kid, trans or not... Id hate to say this, but this really does sound like Virtue Signaling...</quote> Often? Probably not. I mean, gender reveal parties are very new, so I doubt we have much, if any, data in that regard anyway. But, I'd find it strange if the majority of recipients didn't find out about their own gender reveal party at some point in life. I mean, it could be as casually as a family friend just bringing it up in a tangent, or perhaps the child is just scrolling through their parents old pictures and posts. It's like finding out about your own baby shower, except the focus is specifically on your genitalia. And in the age of social media and constant oversharing, I'd find it hard to believe that a party specifically meant to bring attention to something goes undocumented. Or at least the vast majority of these parties. If you happen to be non-binary or trans, finding out about your own gender reveal could certainly have a negative impact. Seeing or hearing about a group of people celebrating something you know you're not can feel like a denial of your actual identity, even if it wasn't done knowingly or with ill intent. There could be other consequences I am not thinking of. Or it could be a non-issue for them and they don't give a shit about what people did before they were boring. The point is, I don't care about gender reveal parties in the slightest. If there's even a marginal chance it could have a negative impact on my hypothetical child, it's no loss to me to just avoid doing it. I fail to see how this is "virtue signaling" though. It's the topic of conversation for this thread, and I'm sharing my personal viewpoint. I tend tune out when people use sensationalist phrasing that pretends like "virtue" is a bad word though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:17:40 PM #52:	JigsawTDC posted... Often? Probably not. I mean, gender reveal parties are very new, so I doubt we have much, if any, data in that regard anyway. But, I'd find it strange if the majority of recipients didn't find out about their own gender reveal party at some point in life. I mean, it could be as casually as a family friend just bringing it up in a tangent, or perhaps the child is just scrolling through their parents old pictures and posts. It's like finding out about your own baby shower, except the focus is specifically on your genitalia. And in the age of social media and constant oversharing, I'd find it hard to believe that a party specifically meant to bring attention to something goes undocumented. Or at least the vast majority of these parties. Possibly. But like you said, its like a lesser baby shower. And I know plenty of people who havent even heard much about their baby shower. I dont think a baby shower thats over 10 years old has ever been mentioned casually in conversation unless its for a very specific reason. I dont even think I remember my siblings baby showers. And I know like nothing of mine. And while I agree it could be easier to find old pictures in this age, I think theres a bigger chance they wont. Specifically because of the modern technology, tbh... JigsawTDC posted... If you happen to be non-binary or trans, finding out about your own gender reveal could certainly have a negative impact. Seeing or hearing about a group of people celebrating something you know you're not can feel like a denial of your actual identity, even if it wasn't done knowingly or with ill intent. There could be other consequences I am not thinking of. Or it could be a non-issue for them and they don't give a shit about what people did before they were boring. I dont think it will mess them up, nor can I see how it would. No matter what, there is going to be a gender reveal. Whether its at a party, or at the hospital. Also, I dont think its celebrating which gender you are. Its still a celebration for the baby altogether. Its just another reason for cake. And more gifts, of course. I think it would be the minority that actually cares that people had a party for them before they were born. Plus, most people will say he or she for the baby for a while until they choose their gender... Unless you want to call the baby it, then, & they for however many years... JigsawTDC posted... The point is, I don't care about gender reveal parties in the slightest. If there's even a marginal chance it could have a negative impact on my hypothetical child, it's no loss to me to just avoid doing it. I fail to see how this is "virtue signaling" though. It's the topic of conversation for this thread, and I'm sharing my personal viewpoint. I tend tune out when people use sensationalist phrasing that pretends like "virtue" is a bad word though. Its fine if you dont like them. But to say they can cause a negative impact is weird. I mean, I could also say not having one could cause a negative impact, as well... Like maybe they think their parents didnt care because they didnt have one when all their friends had one. Not saying thats super likely. But I think its as likely as having a party having negative effects, tbh... As for the word, I dont think its bad. I think term can be overused, though. Hence why I rather not use it. But thats what it seemed like to me. But thats also because I see nothing wrong about gender reveal parties, nor do I see how that can hurt someone... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947000796] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>Often? Probably not. I mean, gender reveal parties are very new, so I doubt we have much, if any, data in that regard anyway. But, I'd find it strange if the majority of recipients didn't find out about their own gender reveal party at some point in life. I mean, it could be as casually as a family friend just bringing it up in a tangent, or perhaps the child is just scrolling through their parents old pictures and posts. It's like finding out about your own baby shower, except the focus is specifically on your genitalia. And in the age of social media and constant oversharing, I'd find it hard to believe that a party specifically meant to bring attention to something goes undocumented. Or at least the vast majority of these parties.</quote> Possibly. But like you said, its like a lesser baby shower. And I know plenty of people who havent even heard much about their baby shower. I dont think a baby shower thats over 10 years old has ever been mentioned casually in conversation unless its for a very specific reason. I dont even think I remember my siblings baby showers. And I know like nothing of mine. And while I agree it could be easier to find old pictures in this age, I think theres a bigger chance they wont. Specifically because of the modern technology, tbh... JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>If you happen to be non-binary or trans, finding out about your own gender reveal could certainly have a negative impact. Seeing or hearing about a group of people celebrating something you know you're not can feel like a denial of your actual identity, even if it wasn't done knowingly or with ill intent. There could be other consequences I am not thinking of. Or it could be a non-issue for them and they don't give a shit about what people did before they were boring.</quote> I dont think it will mess them up, nor can I see how it would. No matter what, there is going to be a gender reveal. Whether its at a party, or at the hospital. Also, I dont think its celebrating which gender you are. Its still a celebration for the baby altogether. Its just another reason for cake. And more gifts, of course. I think it would be the minority that actually cares that people had a party for them before they were born. Plus, most people will say he or she for the baby for a while until they choose their gender... Unless you want to call the baby it, then, & they for however many years... JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>The point is, I don't care about gender reveal parties in the slightest. If there's even a marginal chance it could have a negative impact on my hypothetical child, it's no loss to me to just avoid doing it. I fail to see how this is "virtue signaling" though. It's the topic of conversation for this thread, and I'm sharing my personal viewpoint. I tend tune out when people use sensationalist phrasing that pretends like "virtue" is a bad word though.</quote> Its fine if you dont like them. But to say they can cause a negative impact is weird. I mean, I could also say not having one could cause a negative impact, as well... Like maybe they think their parents didnt care because they didnt have one when all their friends had one. Not saying thats super likely. But I think its as likely as having a party having negative effects, tbh... As for the word, I dont think its bad. I think term can be overused, though. Hence why I rather not use it. But thats what it seemed like to me. But thats also because I see nothing wrong about gender reveal parties, nor do I see how that can hurt someone...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 11/10/20 4:19:42 PM #53:	i had one for my neighbors, where i revealed my genitals to everyone on the block, ok? LinkPizza posted... I like the ones with cake. Because then I get to eat cake... shit, that would have been a good idea. it would have been nice to offer the police a piece, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:947000886] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>i had one for my neighbors, where i revealed my genitals to everyone on the block, ok? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I like the ones with cake. Because then I get to eat cake...</quote>shit, that would have been a good idea. it would have been nice to offer the police a piece, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 4:26:19 PM #54:	I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids. --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947001187] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:28:05 PM #55:	IronBornCorps posted... I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids. I personally dont agree. Some people just want to have more parties. Or cake. Or just a reason for the family to get together... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947001263] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids. </quote> I personally dont agree. Some people just want to have more parties. Or cake. Or just a reason for the family to get together...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 11/10/20 4:29:05 PM #56:	I don't care strongly enough about gender reveal parties to debate my personal stance on them. We can agree to disagree for the most part. But the crux of your position relies on you "don't think" it could have a negative impact or "mess them up". Maybe it won't. In most cases I agree it's probably harmless. But the potential for it to have negative impact is still there, and to deny that is being willfully ignorant. If you have access to JSTOR or any other service that gives you access to research papers, I think this one might be insightful for you: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/wjcfad9&div=17&id=&page= <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:947001314] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>I don't care strongly enough about gender reveal parties to debate my personal stance on them. We can agree to disagree for the most part. But the crux of your position relies on you "don't think" it could have a negative impact or "mess them up". Maybe it won't. In most cases I agree it's probably harmless. But the potential for it to have negative impact is still there, and to deny that is being willfully ignorant. If you have access to JSTOR or any other service that gives you access to research papers, I think this one might be insightful for you: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/wjcfad9&div=17&id=&page= </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 11/10/20 4:29:23 PM #57:	LinkPizza posted... I dont think it will mess them up, nor can I see how it would. No matter what, there is going to be a gender reveal. Whether its at a party, or at the hospital. Also, I dont think its celebrating which gender you are. Its still a celebration for the baby altogether. yeah there's already a party for that, and it's called a baby shower --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:947001329] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I dont think it will mess them up, nor can I see how it would. No matter what, there is going to be a gender reveal. Whether its at a party, or at the hospital. Also, I dont think its celebrating which gender you are. Its still a celebration for the baby altogether. </quote> yeah there's already a party for that, and it's called a baby shower </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:38:43 PM #58:	Clench281 posted... yeah there's already a party for that, and it's called a baby shower And some people have something earlier than that. According to unwritten rules, baby showers happen some amounts of weeks before the due date. Some people like to have something earlier. As I said, some people want a reason to throw another party. Which I dont see hurting anyone. And most of the ones Ive seen are small. Usually just people close to you... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947001731] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah there's already a party for that, and it's called a baby shower</quote> And some people have something earlier than that. According to unwritten rules, baby showers happen some amounts of weeks before the due date. Some people like to have something earlier. As I said, some people want a reason to throw another party. Which I dont see hurting anyone. And most of the ones Ive seen are small. Usually just people close to you...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 4:41:43 PM #59:	LinkPizza posted... I personally dont agree. Some people just want to have more parties. Or cake. Or just a reason for the family to get together... I mean a lot of people who don't, also aggressively gender their kids. I'm talking "boys don't play with dolls", "girls don't have short hair" ect... --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947001861] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I personally dont agree. Some people just want to have more parties. Or cake. Or just a reason for the family to get together...</quote> I mean a lot of people who don't, also aggressively gender their kids. I'm talking "boys don't play with dolls", "girls don't have short hair" ect... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:43:33 PM #60:	JigsawTDC posted... But the potential for it to have negative impact is still there, and to deny that is being willfully ignorant. And it could have a negative impact to not have one, as well... So the same to you... JigsawTDC posted... We can agree to disagree for the most part. Yeah. I guess well just have to agree to disagree as Im not really changing my stance on this... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947001943] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote> But the potential for it to have negative impact is still there, and to deny that is being willfully ignorant.</quote> And it could have a negative impact to not have one, as well... So the same to you... JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>We can agree to disagree for the most part.</quote> Yeah. I guess well just have to agree to disagree as Im not really changing my stance on this...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 11/10/20 4:45:30 PM #61:	LinkPizza posted... And it could have a negative impact to not have one, as well... So the same to you... That's a pretty big stretch considering they're nowhere near a cultural norm, anywhere. Feel free to cite any actual research like I did though! <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:947002026] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And it could have a negative impact to not have one, as well... So the same to you...</quote> That's a pretty big stretch considering they're nowhere near a cultural norm, anywhere. Feel free to cite any actual research like I did though! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:45:50 PM #62:	IronBornCorps posted... I mean a lot of people who don't, also aggressively gender their kids. I'm talking "boys don't play with dolls", "girls don't have short hair" ect... Yeah. Im just saying I disagree because I know some people who had the parties and arent like that. And my cousin also had one, and that isnt like him or his wife. Tbh, I feel Id see that more on parents who didnt have a gender reveal. That being said, I dont think gender reveals have anything to do with that... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947002044] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted...</cite> <quote>I mean a lot of people who don't, also aggressively gender their kids. I'm talking "boys don't play with dolls", "girls don't have short hair" ect...</quote> Yeah. Im just saying I disagree because I know some people who had the parties and arent like that. And my cousin also had one, and that isnt like him or his wife. Tbh, I feel Id see that more on parents who didnt have a gender reveal. That being said, I dont think gender reveals have anything to do with that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 4:47:33 PM #63:	JigsawTDC posted... That's a pretty big stretch considering they're nowhere near a cultural norm, anywhere. Feel free to cite any actual research like I did though! Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. They could feel left out. Its pretty simple to see... You were the one that mentioned seeing old post... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947002116] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>That's a pretty big stretch considering they're nowhere near a cultural norm, anywhere. Feel free to cite any actual research like I did though! </quote> Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. They could feel left out. Its pretty simple to see... You were the one that mentioned seeing old post...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 4:56:06 PM #64:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah. Im just saying I disagree because I know some people who had the parties and arent like that. And my cousin also had one, and that isnt like him or his wife. Tbh, I feel Id see that more on parents who didnt have a gender reveal. That being said, I dont think gender reveals have anything to do with that... I understand not everyone does it, but a lot of it is more subtle than "boys don't cry". My hypothesis is that the rise of gender reveal parties has a correlation to this unnecessary gendering of children, as well as could be a response to the actions to minimize it. Basically no, I don't think gender reveals cause unnecessary gendering, but are a symptom of a bigger issue. --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947002501] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. Im just saying I disagree because I know some people who had the parties and arent like that. And my cousin also had one, and that isnt like him or his wife. Tbh, I feel Id see that more on parents who didnt have a gender reveal. That being said, I dont think gender reveals have anything to do with that...</quote> I understand not everyone does it, but a lot of it is more subtle than "boys don't cry". My hypothesis is that the rise of gender reveal parties has a correlation to this unnecessary gendering of children, as well as could be a response to the actions to minimize it. Basically no, I don't think gender reveals cause unnecessary gendering, but are a symptom of a bigger issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 11/10/20 4:56:25 PM #65:	LinkPizza posted... Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. They could feel left out. Its pretty simple to see... You were the one that mentioned seeing old post... C'mon dude, are you being serious right now? That's a false equivalency, and I'd like to believe you know that, but then that means you're just being purposely disingenuous. A kid feeling left out because all their friends had gender reveal parties and they didn't, and they saw all their friends' parties on social media (what a huge fucking stretch of a hypothetical scenario btw lol) is nowhere near the same psychological burden as feeling your parents denied your identity before even knowing it. You seem fairly unversed on issues regarding non-binary identities and transgenderism, and I'd encourage you to actually learn more if you're truly interested in understanding. Like, it's fine if your friends had gender reveal parties for their kids and you say their nice people. I'm not hear to judge anyone's decision to have one (unless they cause a wildfire). But, the risk of negative impact, however small it might be, is definitely heavily in the direction of having a gender reveal party, not in not having one. <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:947002520] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. They could feel left out. Its pretty simple to see... You were the one that mentioned seeing old post...</quote> C'mon dude, are you being serious right now? That's a false equivalency, and I'd like to believe you know that, but then that means you're just being purposely disingenuous. A kid feeling left out because all their friends had gender reveal parties and they didn't, and they saw all their friends' parties on social media (what a huge fucking stretch of a hypothetical scenario btw lol) is nowhere near the same psychological burden as feeling your parents denied your identity before even knowing it. You seem fairly unversed on issues regarding non-binary identities and transgenderism, and I'd encourage you to actually learn more if you're truly interested in understanding. Like, it's fine if your friends had gender reveal parties for their kids and you say their nice people. I'm not hear to judge anyone's decision to have one (unless they cause a wildfire). But, the risk of negative impact, however small it might be, is definitely heavily in the direction of having a gender reveal party, not in not having one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 5:04:58 PM #66:	Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947002929] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/10/20 5:06:15 PM #67:	IronBornCorps posted... Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you Yeah it was brought up with this post. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79098890/946979895 --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:947002981] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted...</cite> <quote>Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you </quote> Yeah it was brought up with this post. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79098890/946979895</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 11/10/20 5:08:23 PM #68:	IronBornCorps posted... Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you Is there a better word/phrase I could have used there? Gut instinct told me it wasn't the best word, but I couldn't think of another in that moment. <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:947003083] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted... </cite> <quote>Somehow I knew "transgenderism" was gonna show up in this topic at some point or another. It's like bingo Playful teasing TDC, I'm with you</quote> Is there a better word/phrase I could have used there? Gut instinct told me it wasn't the best word, but I couldn't think of another in that moment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 11/10/20 5:09:45 PM #69:	IronBornCorps posted... I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids. Pretty much. I actually heard about one couple who threw a second gender reveal party to help their teenage kid come out as non-binary, saying something along the lines of "we got it wrong the first time so let's try again." Conceptually, a gender reveal party is no different from telling your friends "it's a boy!", which most people do quite harmlessly. Committing to that to enough of an extent to have a party, though, does suggest that they value that gendering more than somebody who just tells people whenever it comes up in conversation. Basically, as long as the people throwing it maintain an open mind and don't blow anything up, the party itself doesn't cause any harm. It's just often correlated with more close-minded attitudes and/or explosions. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:947003148] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think it's really the party itself that does the damage. Just parents who have one I feel are more likely to aggressively gender their children. Which doesn't just hurt trans and non-binary kids.</quote> Pretty much. I actually heard about one couple who threw a second gender reveal party to help their teenage kid come out as non-binary, saying something along the lines of "we got it wrong the first time so let's try again." Conceptually, a gender reveal party is no different from telling your friends "it's a boy!", which most people do quite harmlessly. Committing to that to enough of an extent to have a party, though, does suggest that they value that gendering more than somebody who just tells people whenever it comes up in conversation. Basically, as long as the people throwing it maintain an open mind and don't blow anything up, the party itself doesn't cause any harm. It's just often correlated with more close-minded attitudes and/or explosions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 5:13:06 PM #70:	JigsawTDC posted... Is there a better word/phrase I could have used there? Gut instinct told me it wasn't the best word, but I couldn't think of another in that moment. I probably would have went with trans and non-binary people, or non-binary identities (as you did) and transgender people. Good way to remember is that trans and transgender are adjectives, not nouns. "She is trans" vs. "She is a trans". Edit My phone always auto corrects non-binary to be capitalized. --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947003295] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>JigsawTDC posted... </cite> <quote>Is there a better word/phrase I could have used there? Gut instinct told me it wasn't the best word, but I couldn't think of another in that moment.</quote> I probably would have went with trans and non-binary people, or non-binary identities (as you did) and transgender people. Good way to remember is that trans and transgender are adjectives, not nouns. "She is trans" vs. "She is a trans". Edit My phone always auto corrects non-binary to be capitalized. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 5:20:13 PM #71:	IronBornCorps posted... I understand not everyone does it, but a lot of it is more subtle than "boys don't cry". My hypothesis is that the rise of gender reveal parties has a correlation to this unnecessary gendering of children, as well as could be a response to the actions to minimize it. Basically no, I don't think gender reveals cause unnecessary gendering, but are a symptom of a bigger issue. I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person. JigsawTDC posted... C'mon dude, are you being serious right now? That's a false equivalency, and I'd like to believe you know that, but then that means you're just being purposely disingenuous. A kid feeling left out because all their friends had gender reveal parties and they didn't, and they saw all their friends' parties on social media (what a huge fucking stretch of a hypothetical scenario btw lol) is nowhere near the same psychological burden as feeling your parents denied your identity before even knowing it. You seem fairly unversed on issues regarding non-binary identities and transgenderism, and I'd encourage you to actually learn more if you're truly interested in understanding. Like, it's fine if your friends had gender reveal parties for their kids and you say their nice people. I'm not hear to judge anyone's decision to have one (unless they cause a wildfire). But, the risk of negative impact, however small it might be, is definitely heavily in the direction of having a gender reveal party, not in not having one. Youre the one who originally brought up the fact that they would find out about the gender reveal party. Unless youre saying that you werent being serious when you said that. But whatever. Like you said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Im not changing my stance on this because I literally dont see a reason to do so... I also dont see how youre parents denied your identity. You have no idea whether they will or not. The baby probably doesnt even know theres a difference, let alone know what they are. Especially before theyre born. Thats what seems like a stretch to me, tbh... And I dont see how this has anything to do with my feelings regarding regarding non-binary identities and trans. As I dont think the party should even matter in those cases. Or should they also get offending in the video of their birth when the doctor says, It a _____! as well? And like I said, they could be a risk either way. I see those two cases an equal in my books. But like you said, agree to disagree... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947003584] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted...</cite> <quote>I understand not everyone does it, but a lot of it is more subtle than "boys don't cry". My hypothesis is that the rise of gender reveal parties has a correlation to this unnecessary gendering of children, as well as could be a response to the actions to minimize it. Basically no, I don't think gender reveals cause unnecessary gendering, but are a symptom of a bigger issue.</quote> I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person. JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>C'mon dude, are you being serious right now? That's a false equivalency, and I'd like to believe you know that, but then that means you're just being purposely disingenuous. A kid feeling left out because all their friends had gender reveal parties and they didn't, and they saw all their friends' parties on social media (what a huge fucking stretch of a hypothetical scenario btw lol) is nowhere near the same psychological burden as feeling your parents denied your identity before even knowing it. You seem fairly unversed on issues regarding non-binary identities and transgenderism, and I'd encourage you to actually learn more if you're truly interested in understanding. Like, it's fine if your friends had gender reveal parties for their kids and you say their nice people. I'm not hear to judge anyone's decision to have one (unless they cause a wildfire). But, the risk of negative impact, however small it might be, is definitely heavily in the direction of having a gender reveal party, not in not having one. </quote> Youre the one who originally brought up the fact that they would find out about the gender reveal party. Unless youre saying that you werent being serious when you said that. But whatever. Like you said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Im not changing my stance on this because I literally dont see a reason to do so... I also dont see how youre parents denied your identity. You have no idea whether they will or not. The baby probably doesnt even know theres a difference, let alone know what they are. Especially before theyre born. Thats what seems like a stretch to me, tbh... And I dont see how this has anything to do with my feelings regarding regarding non-binary identities and trans. As I dont think the party should even matter in those cases. Or should they also get offending in the video of their birth when the doctor says, It a _____! as well? And like I said, they could be a risk either way. I see those two cases an equal in my books. But like you said, agree to disagree...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronBornCorps 11/10/20 5:29:24 PM #72:	makes hypothesis on how individual action could have been influenced by systemic forces Response LinkPizza posted... I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person. --- "A kiss makes your day but anal makes your whole week!" <cite>IronBornCorps posted [p:947003928] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>makes hypothesis on how individual action could have been influenced by systemic forces Response LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 11/10/20 5:50:18 PM #73:	LinkPizza posted... I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person. Youre the one who originally brought up the fact that they would find out about the gender reveal party. Unless youre saying that you werent being serious when you said that. But whatever. Like you said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Im not changing my stance on this because I literally dont see a reason to do so... I also dont see how youre parents denied your identity. You have no idea whether they will or not. The baby probably doesnt even know theres a difference, let alone know what they are. Especially before theyre born. Thats what seems like a stretch to me, tbh... And I dont see how this has anything to do with my feelings regarding regarding non-binary identities and trans. As I dont think the party should even matter in those cases. Or should they also get offending in the video of their birth when the doctor says, It a _____! as well? And like I said, they could be a risk either way. I see those two cases an equal in my books. But like you said, agree to disagree... I'm going to drop this conversation since the things you "don't see" about gender identity are all easily accessible for you if you actually wanted to see and learn. One thing I'll clarify before dipping out though: I brought up the idea of them finding out about their own gender reveal party through social media. Which can easily happen, especially if they get curious about mom and dad and start scrolling through their old posts (I know I'd be curious to explore my parents older posts if they existed). You expanded that to them finding out about all their friends' gender reveal parties and feeling left out... It's a false equivalency because your scenario is significantly less likely and more extreme. It requires the "one who was left out" to be friends with their friends' family and lurk through all of them. IronBornCorps posted... I probably would have went with trans and non-binary people, or non-binary identities (as you did) and transgender people. Good way to remember is that trans and transgender are adjectives, not nouns. "She is trans" vs. "She is a trans". Edit My phone always auto corrects non-binary to be capitalized. Thanks! I'll remember to keep that in mind for the future. <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:947004709] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I still disagree. I think thats just a personal thing based on the person. Youre the one who originally brought up the fact that they would find out about the gender reveal party. Unless youre saying that you werent being serious when you said that. But whatever. Like you said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Im not changing my stance on this because I literally dont see a reason to do so... I also dont see how youre parents denied your identity. You have no idea whether they will or not. The baby probably doesnt even know theres a difference, let alone know what they are. Especially before theyre born. Thats what seems like a stretch to me, tbh... And I dont see how this has anything to do with my feelings regarding regarding non-binary identities and trans. As I dont think the party should even matter in those cases. Or should they also get offending in the video of their birth when the doctor says, It a _____! as well? And like I said, they could be a risk either way. I see those two cases an equal in my books. But like you said, agree to disagree...</quote> I'm going to drop this conversation since the things you "don't see" about gender identity are all easily accessible for you if you actually wanted to see and learn. One thing I'll clarify before dipping out though: I brought up the idea of them finding out about their own gender reveal party through social media. Which can easily happen, especially if they get curious about mom and dad and start scrolling through their old posts (I know I'd be curious to explore my parents older posts if they existed). You expanded that to them finding out about all their friends' gender reveal parties and feeling left out... It's a false equivalency because your scenario is significantly less likely and more extreme. It requires the "one who was left out" to be friends with their friends' family and lurk through all of them. IronBornCorps posted... </cite> <quote>I probably would have went with trans and non-binary people, or non-binary identities (as you did) and transgender people. Good way to remember is that trans and transgender are adjectives, not nouns. "She is trans" vs. "She is a trans". Edit My phone always auto corrects non-binary to be capitalized.</quote> Thanks! I'll remember to keep that in mind for the future. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 6:16:05 PM #74:	IronBornCorps posted... makes hypothesis on how individual action could have been influenced by systemic forces Response ??? JigsawTDC posted... I'm going to drop this conversation since the things you "don't see" about gender identity are all easily accessible for you if you actually wanted to see and learn. One thing I'll clarify before dipping out though: I brought up the idea of them finding out about their own gender reveal party through social media. Which can easily happen, especially if they get curious about mom and dad and start scrolling through their old posts (I know I'd be curious to explore my parents older posts if they existed). You expanded that to them finding out about all their friends' gender reveal parties and feeling left out... It's a false equivalency because your scenario is significantly less likely and more extreme. It requires the "one who was left out" to be friends with their friends' family and lurk through all of them. Thats fine. I honestly thought we were already done when we agreed to disagree... As for the finding post, its possible they will. Its possible they wont. Though, some of that might be based on whether or not FB (for example) is still big when they get older. Or if everybody moves to a new site. Or if they post the pictures on FB in the first place (which people sometimes dont). Or if they post it as a picture, or feed, which can disappear. Or the site that is was in it gone. Like how all the photos that were posted with imGTC are gone... And thats if they look in the first place. Some might be curious, some might not care, or think about it... For the friends, it would mean lurking through all of them. It could be one person who found out, and told their friends. Who then decided to look for them theirselves. And maybe all of them found pictures of a gender reveal except one. And a group of friend could technically be pretty small. Like even if the group was like 3-5 friends or something. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947005745] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted...</cite> <quote>makes hypothesis on how individual action could have been influenced by systemic forces Response</quote> ??? JigsawTDC posted...</cite> <quote>I'm going to drop this conversation since the things you "don't see" about gender identity are all easily accessible for you if you actually wanted to see and learn. One thing I'll clarify before dipping out though: I brought up the idea of them finding out about their own gender reveal party through social media. Which can easily happen, especially if they get curious about mom and dad and start scrolling through their old posts (I know I'd be curious to explore my parents older posts if they existed). You expanded that to them finding out about all their friends' gender reveal parties and feeling left out... It's a false equivalency because your scenario is significantly less likely and more extreme. It requires the "one who was left out" to be friends with their friends' family and lurk through all of them.</quote> Thats fine. I honestly thought we were already done when we agreed to disagree... As for the finding post, its possible they will. Its possible they wont. Though, some of that might be based on whether or not FB (for example) is still big when they get older. Or if everybody moves to a new site. Or if they post the pictures on FB in the first place (which people sometimes dont). Or if they post it as a picture, or feed, which can disappear. Or the site that is was in it gone. Like how all the photos that were posted with imGTC are gone... And thats if they look in the first place. Some might be curious, some might not care, or think about it... For the friends, it would mean lurking through all of them. It could be one person who found out, and told their friends. Who then decided to look for them theirselves. And maybe all of them found pictures of a gender reveal except one. And a group of friend could technically be pretty small. Like even if the group was like 3-5 friends or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 11/10/20 7:36:01 PM #75:	LinkPizza posted... Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. I really doubt my niece or nephews would give a shit and they are kids. All it is is throwing a party to tell folk the sex of your unborn baby as far as I know. Yet that can be done without a party. I don't know it just seems over the top for me. Baby showers are cool but even that is something I don't care for. Each to there own I guess. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:947009023] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Like you said, people can look through old post and pictures. Maybe a kid sees that all their friends had gender reveal parties (seeing as how they are popular), but notice their parents never threw one. </quote> I really doubt my niece or nephews would give a shit and they are kids. All it is is throwing a party to tell folk the sex of your unborn baby as far as I know. Yet that can be done without a party. I don't know it just seems over the top for me. Baby showers are cool but even that is something I don't care for. Each to there own I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 7:40:13 PM #76:	wwinterj25 posted... I really doubt my niece or nephews would give a shit and they are kids. That's what I said earlier. Most likely, most kids won't care at all... wwinterj25 posted... Yet that can be done without a party. I don't know it just seems over the top for me. While it's called a party, it's not always a party. Like my cousin had a gender reveal party, but it was a few people coming over, him popping the party popper, and it was pretty much over, AFAIK... It could be over the top, but not really much more than other things, tbh... wwinterj25 posted... Baby showers are cool but even that is something I don't care for. Each to there own I guess. These can be good and can help out others. Especially with their first kid. Plus, again, it's just nice to see people. I don't really view it differently than birthday parties, or parties for the holidays, tbh... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947009178] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I really doubt my niece or nephews would give a shit and they are kids.</quote> That's what I said earlier. Most likely, most kids won't care at all... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Yet that can be done without a party. I don't know it just seems over the top for me.</quote> While it's called a party, it's not always a party. Like my cousin had a gender reveal party, but it was a few people coming over, him popping the party popper, and it was pretty much over, AFAIK... It could be over the top, but not really much more than other things, tbh... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Baby showers are cool but even that is something I don't care for. Each to there own I guess.</quote> These can be good and can help out others. Especially with their first kid. Plus, again, it's just nice to see people. I don't really view it differently than birthday parties, or parties for the holidays, tbh...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 11/10/20 7:44:08 PM #77:	LinkPizza posted... I don't really view it differently than birthday parties, or parties for the holidays, tbh... Birthdays are something I can get behind. Celebrating the day someone is born is always nice. With that said I hardly ever had parties on my birthday so I guess that's why I'm more cynical. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:947009340] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote> I don't really view it differently than birthday parties, or parties for the holidays, tbh...</quote> Birthdays are something I can get behind. Celebrating the day someone is born is always nice. With that said I hardly ever had parties on my birthday so I guess that's why I'm more cynical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/20 7:45:26 PM #78:	wwinterj25 posted... Birthdays are something I can get behind. Celebrating the day someone is born is always nice. With that said I hardly ever had parties on my birthday so I guess that's why I'm more cynical. Personally, I don't mind parties for most things. I just like getting together with friends an family... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:947009399] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Birthdays are something I can get behind. Celebrating the day someone is born is always nice. With that said I hardly ever had parties on my birthday so I guess that's why I'm more cynical. </quote> Personally, I don't mind parties for most things. I just like getting together with friends an family...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 11/10/20 8:00:00 PM #79:	Y was my first thought Gender- reveal political party? --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:947009999] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>Y was my first thought Gender- reveal political party? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 11/10/20 8:46:26 PM #80:	deoxxys posted... Y was my first thought Gender- reveal political party? (Reveal party reveals baby to be Democrat) A certain "centrist": "Except it's really not, because <insert strawman here> and <weak man fallacy>. Something something here are some big words I clearly don't understand, but I doubt anyone here knows said words so you'll never call me out on it." Literally a cake: "???" A certain centrist: "In other words, you don't understand what I said. I shouldn't be surprised." --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:947011892] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite> <quote>Y was my first thought Gender- reveal political party?</quote> (Reveal party reveals baby to be Democrat) A certain "centrist": "Except it's really not, because <insert strawman here> and <weak man fallacy>. Something something here are some big words I clearly don't understand, but I doubt anyone here knows said words so you'll never call me out on it." Literally a cake: "???" A certain centrist: "In other words, you don't understand what I said. I shouldn't be surprised." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 11/11/20 2:11:06 PM #81:	I've known about them for over a decade. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:947039313] in Have you e... [t:79098890]...</cite> <quote>I've known about them for over a decade. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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