Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 342: Biden: His Time

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Going to be very interesting to see the Republican pivot in messaging if they get completely bowled over in the runoff due to lack of turnout.

If Trump somehow hasn't conceded by the then, they're sure as hell gonna be on his ass after that.

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Trump is literally never going to concede.

Hes going to walk out of the White House on 20 Jan saying he still won.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Hes going to walk out of the White House on 20 Jan saying he still won.

implying he's going to voluntarily walk out

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https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1325958130807791616

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I suppose Trump will challenge the electoral vote in Congress on January 6. Unfortunately for him, it seems there is a statute on the books that says that if the houses of Congress disagree on which set of electoral votes to accept for a state, the set certified by that state's executive shall control. I guess Trump could try to get a declaratory judgment from the Supreme Court that that law is unconstitutional as the constitution gives sole control over the selection of electors to the state legislatures, not the executive.

Another option is for Mike Pence to refuse to open the envelopes:

The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted

What happens if the President of the Senate (the sitting Vice President) refuses to open the envelopes? Puts them in his briefcase and exits the Senate and throws them in a fire?

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It says he shall. He doesn't have a choice.

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It doesn't say what happens if he just refuses though. He would be in violation of the law, but what happens next?

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https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1325953763102789634?s=20

https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1325954273704734720?s=20

So...probably Biden still favored, I would think. We'll see what the Maricopa drop tonight is, but that is a lot left in Pima. I have no clue how provisional ballots will split either. Could be really close either way but everywhere I've read seems to think Biden is still the slight favorite here.

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https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1325940864162607105

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So apparently the primary law firm heading up Trump's litigation, Jones Day, are publicly expressing a lack of desire to move forward?

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https://twitter.com/rgcooke/status/1325598436888961024

hilarious(ly sad) thread on Dems electoral organization

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

hilarious(ly sad) thread on Dems electoral organization

"No, no, it's all the Progressives fault! They ran on Medicare for All and $15 minimum wage. If they didn't do that, our lack of ground game wouldn't have mattered at all!"

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Anyway My DREAM Scenario for this whole thing:

North Carolina decides to investigate for voter fraud due to the closeness of the election. They find that MANY voters double voted in North Carolina. And it's enough to not only win the state for Joe Biden but for Cal too. This gives Dems the senate. All because Trump kept bitching about Voter Fraud.

I'd pay good money to see that happen, and then see the look on McConnells face afterwards.

ALTERNATELY they do the same thing in Georgia, and Osoff wins outright due to fraud for Perdue.

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"Voter fraud was found at a 2:1 ratio for Republicans"

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Trump was done in AZ sometime yesterday, but he just continues to get doner.

I think once the official AZ calls comes in its going to take the wind out of some sails.

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Good AZ update:
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1325985409046867968

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Dancedreamer posted...

"No, no, it's all the Progressives fault! They ran on Medicare for All and $15 minimum wage. If they didn't do that, our lack of ground game wouldn't have mattered at all!"

I'm pretty sure even the boring moderates are for a $15 minimum wage. Even Biden is.

Most of the whining I saw was less about economics are more about social issues (specifically defund the police). Spanberger specifically was complaining they didn't focus enough on bread and butter economic issues.

(AOC is still right though and democrats have no idea how to run a modern campaign)

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Very beautiful Maricopa drop.

Imagine Fox being right a week before everyone else. It seems like all other places are just waiting for the counting to be 100% done at this point.

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"Defund the police" specifically was very unpopular. We'll have to wait and see if there's solid evidence that it hurt, but I can't imagine it helped.

Anyway, multiple things (poor organizing and hard to escape nationalized messaging) can be at fault for the Dems losing seats!

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https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1325988482897113088

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I feel like "Decriminalize cannabis" is a no-brainer winning slogan right now. It just passed easily in at least two red states (three if you count medicinal legalization in Mississippi). It's now legal recreationally in at least one state in every region of the country except for the deep south, and any rational person knows why.

Easy political win at this point.

And while it doesn't "defund" them or even redirect funds, decriminalizing pot indirectly gives the police less power.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The neocons of the George W Bush era didn't have authoritarianism and lies?

If anything this past discussion has just revealed the false dichotomy between the two. Trumpism is just fascism wrapped up in Trump's specific cult of personality. He was still engaging in a bunch of neocon shit behind the curtain. Likewise, neocons can eventually ditch the Trump branding and continue to do authoritarianism shit on their own terms. That's why Lincoln Project is a joke.

Bottom line I agree with this, but it also makes the left's insistence that Trump is an order of magnitude worse a joke. All the rhetoric was about how Trump is not just incrementally worse, but a seriously new threat.

It's increasingly clear that liberals were really just saying that, and they either 1) think anyone right of Biden is a Nazi or 2) don't really think Trump is that bad compared to the average. Sadly I think #2 is more common.

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Trump is indeed far worse than a "normal" Republican!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

"Defund the police" specifically was very unpopular. We'll have to wait and see if there's solid evidence that it hurt, but I can't imagine it helped.

The actual goal of "Reallocate police funding" polls fine.

The slogan itself was terrible.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

And while it doesn't "defund" them or even redirect funds, decriminalizing pot indirectly gives the police less power.

It actually can bring in significant tax revenue, so you can fund whatever the hell you want with it.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is indeed far worse than a "normal" Republican!

You're honestly one of the few who I've seen actually admit this in the past few days. Everyone else is switching back into 1-dimensional mode.

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red13n posted...

so you can fund whatever the hell you want with it.

So... cops

Weed money needs to be specifically earmarked for something good or else it's still blood money

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foolm0r0n posted...

So... cops

Weed money needs to be specifically earmarked for something good or else it's still blood money

california seems to use most of it for social services, child care programs, and the like.

Looks like a small bit of it towards enforcement to get drunk drivers off the roads.

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At least a few states have earmarked *some* of the weed tax revenue. Here in NV it's earmarked for education... which we really need.

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https://youtu.be/FSRhdurEnZc

The vast majority of the Republican party will believe all the claims made here and no amount of evidence will ever change their minds. Sorry foolmo, it will be more than 35 million Americans who think this election was stolen.

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Damn you're not even in Steven Chowder's audience and he's got you convinced

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https://youtu.be/2-bbYH_akHg

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At least 75% of Republican voters think the exact way Chowder does. I hope you're right, but having been right about the last two elections and living in the very red state of Tennessee where literally 100% of the right-wingers I've talked to still believe Trump won, it's pretty clear to me. Sure, that number might die in time and we can only hope that is the case, but it absolutely won't be when Biden is inaugurated.

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Shoot this into the sun:

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1325856347896819712?s=21

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Foolmo, I think the thing youre missing is that yes, Trump is undeniably worse than the average Republican, anyone on the Left who says differently is extremely blackpilled.

Unfortunately, hes not the only one worse than the average, and Republicans are extremely susceptible to these worse people. See: uh, Steven Crowder.

Your original stance of if you think Trump is worse, you SHOULD want to fund the Lincoln Project is faulty because the Lincoln Project didnt do anything.

Trump literally got a higher share of Republican votes than 2016, and this time the Dems had the Lincoln Project and the John Kasichs of the world on their side.

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Naw, that's great news. Means he's privately given up. He was always going to run again in 2024, don't think that's news at all, but him talking about it is a good thing.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Shoot this into the sun:

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1325856347896819712?s=21

Not surprising! Let the campaign begin.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

because the Lincoln Project didnt do anything.

The original premise was that they are why there were all those Biden voters who voted straight R down ticket.

I honestly don't know much about what Lincoln Project did so you might be right here. But then reframe the question: If you could donate to a group that makes conservatives vote for Biden-likes over Trump-likes, shouldn't you?

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I'm not optimistic about that headline, since he already was floating going for three terms, wasn't he?

what I AM optimistic about is that maybe he'd split the republican party and they'd sff each other to death

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https://twitter.com/bencjacobs/status/1326021103567958016?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Unfortunately, hes not the only one worse than the average, and Republicans are extremely susceptible to these worse people. See: uh, Steven Crowder.

Also duh, there's more than 1 fascist in US politics. So support the ones who are not, especially those who are your opponents.

It's not nuanced to say there's more than 1 Trumper therefore all conservatives should be treated like Trumpers.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

I'm not optimistic about that headline, since he already was floating going for three terms, wasn't he?

what I AM optimistic about is that maybe he'd split the republican party and they'd sff each other to death

Well presumably hed (at least initially) run in the GOP primary, and if it were held today Im sure hed win again!

Hopefully in the next few years his base internalizes that hes now a loser

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can people please stop saying "the lincoln project didn't do anything" based purely on the election results? you don't have counterfactuals, you don't know that without them biden would still have won. you don't know that they did do anything either, but the distinction is important

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The Lincoln Project probably helped.

Now there are better people capable of helping and The Lincoln Project has completed its primary objective. There are also signs they may have greatly misused funds

People should be wary of them. And unless they are a Republican, they probably really absolutely shouldn't give them any money.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Foolmo, I think the thing youre missing is that yes, Trump is undeniably worse than the average Republican, anyone on the Left who says differently is extremely blackpilled.

Unfortunately, hes not the only one worse than the average, and Republicans are extremely susceptible to these worse people. See: uh, Steven Crowder.

Your original stance of if you think Trump is worse, you SHOULD want to fund the Lincoln Project is faulty because the Lincoln Project didnt do anything.

Trump literally got a higher share of Republican votes than 2016, and this time the Dems had the Lincoln Project and the John Kasichs of the world on their side.

Does anyone have any numbers on party affiliatoin? I thought the point of the Lincoln Project wasn't "leave Trump" but "leave the modern republican party" which is why they have attack ads out on literally almost every republican in congress. Most of them no longer identify as republicans right?

It always seemed to me the targets of their ads were the kind of people that would actually leave the republican party and go independent or libertarian or something.

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I definitely wouldn't recommend that anyone give the LP money, but I would be surprised if it turns out they didn't help on net.

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Something I've noticed from lurking the new the_donald recently is a non-insignificant group there says they will NEVER support another republican outside of iike six people they view as "based" from helping Trump spread his nonsense right now.

I don't know if they stick to their words, but boy would I like them to!

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All donations should be going towards Stacey Abrams TBQH.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

All donations should be going towards Stacey Abrams TBQH.

Correct.

Her machine is amazing.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Something I've noticed from lurking the new the_donald recently is a non-insignificant group there says they will NEVER support another republican outside of iike six people they view as "based" from helping Trump spread his nonsense right now.

I don't know if they stick to their words, but boy would I like them to!

This is not at ALL good. The right growing more and more unhinged in a country with a two party system just means our next Republican president is going to be Trump but worse. (and we WILL have another one)