Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 336: Through the Wire

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James is still hanging on over Peters so far.

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I thought I would be a lot more upset about biden winning but I'm really not even bothered.

I figured I'd be in here growling at y'all over it but I'm just like eh, they've had a rough four years they deserve this.

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I'm still pissed that Collins' stupid "I'll vote against Amy Coney Barrett to pretend to be bi-partisan even though I absolutely know she will be confirmed" gambit actually worked.

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I wonder if Biden could negotiate having a different Senate Majority leader. Even if it's a Republican, someone other than Mitch McConnell (who has constantly shown that he won't work with Democrats). I mean I doubt it, but I can dream!

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Wisconsin has been officially called for Biden. He now needs two more of the remaining states (minus Alaska).

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Dancedreamer posted...

I wonder if Biden could negotiate having a different Senate Majority leader. Even if it's a Republican, someone other than Mitch McConnell (who has constantly shown that he won't work with Democrats). I mean I doubt it, but I can dream!

If his offer is to have a Republican elected House Speaker, and then for his VP to resign, and then for Biden to resign, I daresay Mitch would take the offer.

HeroicCrono posted...

If his offer is to have a Republican elected House Speaker, and then for his VP to resign, and then for Biden to resign, I daresay Mitch would take the offer.

This is why I have you on ignore. Stupid alts...

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Dancedreamer posted...

I wonder if Biden could negotiate having a different Senate Majority leader. Even if it's a Republican, someone other than Mitch McConnell (who has constantly shown that he won't work with Democrats). I mean I doubt it, but I can dream!

You can't negotiate without leverage, and Biden and the Dems have none in the Senate.

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Only 50% of PR electorate turned out to vote. And of that only 52% chose statehood.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

not just fox, AP also called it and apparently they're usually cautious about calling states. if it turns out they were completely wrong about this, that's truly bizarre.

I'm pretty sure they were one of many who called Florida for Gore in 2000.

My best guess is the exit polls or regular polls are part of their algorithm. Hence why it took so long for them to call Florida last night when it was obvious for hours it was over. But that went against the polling, so they were hesitant. Whereas the early results in AZ were consistent with polling.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

In somewhat unrelated news I am disgusted by many of the Proposition results in California.

Such as?

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Not_an_Owl posted...

You can't negotiate without leverage, and Biden and the Dems have none in the Senate.

Well, Biden can always promise not to Veto certain things. But that's about all the leverage he has. I think we'll see a lot of gridlock from McConnell as always. I don't like to fantasize about people dying, but McConnell might be an exception.

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https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1324065207577096193

Puerto Rico voted yes on a nonbinding referendum asking if it should become a U.S. state, reports @ AP [...]

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Someone explain to me why an R Congress wouldn't want PR as a state even though it's likely to lean R.

I'm guessing they're literally afraid of the blowback from their base for changing the American flag?

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So wait Arizona AND Nevada could both flip to Trump?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone explain to me why an R Congress wouldn't want PR as a state even though it's likely to lean R.

I'm guessing they're literally afraid of the blowback from their base for changing the American flag?

Latinos.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone explain to me why an R Congress wouldn't want PR as a state even though it's likely to lean R.

Puerto Ricans are not Cubans.


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LinkMarioSamus posted...

So wait Arizona AND Nevada could both flip to Trump?

Could but almost certainly won't.

I don't get what is taking so long in some of these states. Georgia, NC, Arizona specifically.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I'm guessing they're literally afraid of the blowback from their base for changing the American flag?

They're worried about giving them Senators.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Puerto Ricans are not Cubans.

Yes, but I thought this was still a likely lean R regardless?

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Correction.
Right now there's a bunch of people saying ABC uncalled Arizona.

But uh... I don't think they did in the first place?


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Corrik7 posted...

Arizona specifically.

In 18' the Sinema vs McSally precincts weren't updated until evening, iirc. So it'll be a wait.

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Corrik7 posted...

Only 50% of PR electorate turned out to vote. And of that only 52% chose statehood.

Those who don't vote shouldn't complain if a vote doesn't go their way.

Of course, the referendum was more of an extensive opinion poll. If one that's approved by the US State of Justice occurs I imagine more people would vote in it.

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Apparently Trump got more votes here than he did in 2016. WTF?

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LMS please

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone explain to me why an R Congress wouldn't want PR as a state even though it's likely to lean R.

Because the Republican base hates brown people?
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Kinglicious posted...

Correction.
Right now there's a bunch of people saying ABC uncalled Arizona.

But uh... I don't think they did in the first place?

AFAIK AP and Fox were the only ones to call AZ.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Well, Biden can always promise not to Veto certain things.

Bold of you to assume Republicans actually want to pass bills.

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That's what I thought too which confused me. Everyone else is skittish on calling AZ. So yeah expect that to be a steady right wing rumor as a lot of media figures there said it.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Apparently Trump got more votes here than he did in 2016. WTF?

Yes. People have been watching him for 4 years now and thought to themselves "this is good. More of this please".

I'm sickened even if Biden manages to hold onto a narrow victory. Sickened that we as a country were not able to use this as an opportunity to distance ourselves from dangerous behavior and rhetoric.

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Also for all the whining about Trump being 'censored' and it only being against conservatives... here's an example of a Democrat with a disclaimer on it:

https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1324027105982763011

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Yes. People have been watching him for 4 years now and thought to themselves "this is good. More of this please".

I'm sickened even if Biden manages to hold onto a narrow victory. Sickened that we as a country were not able to use this as an opportunity to distance ourselves from dangerous behavior and rhetoric.

Unfortunately it's not really that hard to imagine why due to how strong the economy was pre-pandemic. Still unbelievable though.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Also for all the whining about Trump being 'censored' and it only being against conservatives... here's an example of a Democrat with a disclaimer on it:

https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1324027105982763011

That's horrible from Twitter. Who's more official than the Wisconsin secretary of state?

Trump has been cutting Biden's lead in Michigan. Down to 32k

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charmander6000 posted...

To be fair, they were under the impression that more votes were already counted.

No they werent using that data, they made this call from the current turnout.

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I'd say Biden should be safe in Michigan since most of the remaining votes are in Wayne County, but who knows

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pezzicle posted...

Such as?

Prop 18 would have allowed 17 year olds to vote in primary elections provided their birthdate would fall in time for them to be eligible to vote in the main event.

It's currently failing 55 No to 45 Yes.

There is actually no reason not to allow 17 year olds to have their opinions counted and participate in deciding whose name will end up on the ballot for an election that they will legally be allowed to vote in.

Prop 22 is succeeding and that's the one where Uber and Lyft are literally just writing their own laws for how to classify their employees/contractors rather than adhere to the state requirements that were put in place. The misinformation in california on that prop in particular has been ridiculous, talking about all the things that drivers "gain" through prop 22, but it's bullshit. The uber/lyft drivers gained all that and more when it was ruled that uber/lyft were required to treat them as employees and not contractors, and prop 22 is stripping some important things from them.

Prop 25 would have ended the cash bail system which is a ridiculously biased system, but that's failing by a wide margin too.

Those are the 3 I'm most upset about.

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Also I'm seeing 37k myself. Don't know if that's different sources or it changed in the other direction in that time.

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Michigan at 98%. When will they call it for Biden? Assuming it goes that way.

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Trump's lead in Pennsylvania is down to 400k. Still a long way to go for it to be decided one way or another.

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Think they said Trump is doing a press conference in philadelphia today where he will accuse them of fraud or something at 3:30.

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More Dekalb votes came through in GA. Trump's lead is down to 78k

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I woke up to more good news and my Facebook exploding with cries of voter fraud.

Wars comin boys

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Wars comin boys

I think you mean acts of terrorism.

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Trump is now trying to stop voting in Pennsylvania, too.

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Play Bloodstained.

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