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Smashingpmkns
11/04/20 3:25:45 AM
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Warren voters' second picks were overwhelmingly Bernie as well.
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11/04/20 3:42:23 AM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
More than someone who doesn't believe what he believes?

So thats not Bernie getting s*** done, thats just incremental change. And with a centrist Democratic Party & Republican Party hes not going to upset the corporate money flow into DC. Hed be in a worse position to carry out his agenda than Obama did in his first two years.

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Krojen
11/04/20 3:42:45 AM
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I practically live in Cuban restaurants. From that experience, white Cubans really hate Obama and were extra hyped to vote against his sidekick Biden. Younger and non white Cubans are Bernie bros that don't usually vote.

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Lanzol
11/04/20 4:12:50 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Even if Biden wins the party needs to look in the mirror and ask why

This is three elections in a row where the party messed up in Florida

idk how dumb an entire political party has to be to realize there's a lot of really brainwashed cubans in florida because of some awful history there and their political ideals and goals are gonna be a lot different than a mexican person in california with close family ties being dependent on immigration policy

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graceofjesus
11/04/20 4:14:04 AM
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Mecha Sonic posted...
i mean

we coulda had bernie

i begged everyone i knew to support bernie

but noooo, it had to be biden
I remember this dude was the biggest hillary anti-bernie troll in 2016

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Funkydog
11/04/20 4:20:58 AM
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My faith in America is utterly gone even if Biden wins at this point

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IndustrialTrudg
11/04/20 4:23:34 AM
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Lanzol posted...
idk how dumb an entire political party has to be to realize there's a lot of really brainwashed cubans in florida because of some awful history there and their political ideals and goals are gonna be a lot different than a mexican person in california with close family ties being dependent on immigration policy

"Brainwashed Cubans"

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Lanzol
11/04/20 4:27:12 AM
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ya theyre victims of the craziest propaganda
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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 10:18:16 AM
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https://twitter.com/maria_hinojosa/status/1324007563902504969

Biden up in Californias latino vote compared to 2016.

Also stop with the revisionist history.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-no-guarantee-warren-voters-will-line-up-behind-sanders/

40% of Warren voters said their next choice was Sanders, 30% was Biden
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averagejoel
11/04/20 10:23:22 AM
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the Cubans who live in the US tend to be the ones whose families were better off under Batista

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Solid Snake07
11/04/20 10:26:15 AM
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Mecha Sonic posted...
i mean

we coulda had bernie

i begged everyone i knew to support bernie

but noooo, it had to be biden


Bernie 100% would have lost, lol

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averagejoel
11/04/20 10:27:06 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Bernie 100% would have lost, lol
why do you think this?

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CADE FOSTER
11/04/20 10:27:19 AM
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Old hat dems gotta go we need new blood pelosi and schumer
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3PiesAndAFork
11/04/20 10:28:56 AM
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averagejoel posted...
why do you think this?
Because he's actually a socialist.

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ElatedVenusaur
11/04/20 10:31:42 AM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
Because he's actually a socialist.
Yes, it would be unseemly to actually offer people a material incentive for their support. We had to nominate the old Drug Warrior who was the architect or supporter of some of the least popular legislation in the last 50 years who promised donors "nothing will fundamentally change" instead.

Edit: Like, Biden ran 10+ points behind a $15 minimum wage in Florida, and that was something he supported. Very quietly.
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foreverzero212
11/04/20 10:33:49 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Also stop with the revisionist history.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-no-guarantee-warren-voters-will-line-up-behind-sanders/

40% of Warren voters said their next choice was Sanders, 30% was Biden
And if Warren dropped to endorse Bernie those numbers would change. Just as the 2nd choice figures changed when the other candidates dropped and endorsed.

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foreverzero212
11/04/20 10:37:01 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Edit: Like, Biden ran 10+ points behind a $15 minimum wage in Florida, and that was something he supported. Very quietly.
You mean fracking isn't more popular than $15? You'd have never known it by listening to Biden's "sneaky good campaign" as Nate would call it.


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averagejoel
11/04/20 10:40:37 AM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
Because he's actually a socialist.
this is false. he just wants people to have healthcare

and his policy ideas are popular among the majority of americans

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hockeybub89
11/04/20 10:42:25 AM
#69:


There is no future in the DNC or GOP. They are not your friends and don't give a single shit about helping anyone or bettering anything

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 10:43:58 AM
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foreverzero212 posted...

You mean fracking isn't more popular than $15? You'd have never known it by listening to Biden's "sneaky good campaign" as Nate would call it.



oh yeah Biden lost Florida because of fracking

You LITERALLY have Cuban Americans telling you they did not vote for Biden because they were afraid of socialism.

And you refuse to acknowledge them and then double down and say WE JUST WERENT LEFIST ENOUGH!!!!

The left (and Democrats too not just the left) has a shit messaging campaign regarding these policies and needs to do better explaining what specifically they want to enact and how they help people.
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ledbowman
11/04/20 10:58:20 AM
#71:


we hate life and ourselves
we can't govern

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foreverzero212
11/04/20 10:58:55 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
oh yeah Biden lost Florida because of fracking

You LITERALLY have Cuban Americans telling you they did not vote for Biden because they were afraid of socialism.

And you refuse to acknowledge them and then double down and say WE JUST WERENT LEFIST ENOUGH!!!!

The left (and Democrats too not just the left) has a shit messaging campaign regarding these policies and needs to do better explaining what specifically they want to enact and how they help people.
Maybe he shouldn't have spent so much time defending fracking and spoke more about the popular policies that he's significantly trailing votes to. He's running 10+ points behind leftist policies in FL and it's causing you to have a racist meltdown over which Cubans are allowed to count towards your monolithic view of them. You're the one ignoring what literal Cubans are saying even in this topic.

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FursonaNonGrata
11/04/20 11:01:10 AM
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It genuinely means a lot to see this from you TC.

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Tyranthraxus
11/04/20 11:16:29 AM
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It's fine for Cubans to vote against socialism. I expect them to, in fact, especially the ones who lived or had families who lived under Batista and fled to get away from Castro.

but Biden isn't a fucking socialist

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ElatedVenusaur
11/04/20 11:19:58 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's fine for Cubans to vote against socialism. I expect them to, in fact, especially the ones who lived or had families who lived under Batista and fled to get away from Castro.

but Biden isn't a fucking socialist
Reminder that Fulgencio Batista was a brutal right-wing dictator and that the Dem nominee always gets called a socialist no matter how ill-fitting a label that is.
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ledbowman
11/04/20 11:20:14 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's fine for Cubans to vote against socialism. I expect them to, in fact, especially the ones who lived or had families who lived under Batista and fled to get away from Castro.

but Biden isn't a fucking socialist
right but that doesn't matter so much when his political opponents keep saying he is over and over

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Solid Snake07
11/04/20 11:21:13 AM
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averagejoel posted...
why do you think this?


I know you like socialism, but the vast majority of Americans don't. He would be easily labeled a socialist and probably lose every purple state

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kingdrake2
11/04/20 11:22:54 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Because Bernie failed to win over Black voters during the Primary


maxine waters shamed them for not backing biden, she said she wouldn't ever forgive them for what they did.
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ThyCorndog
11/04/20 11:25:38 AM
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thats ok. I never thought less of anyone for supporting the democratic establishment. more of an agree to disagree thing for me

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Antifar
11/04/20 11:28:03 AM
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I'm reminded of a quote from civil rights activist Kwame Ture: "Nonviolence only works if your opponent has a conscience. The United States has none."

Similarly, Biden trying to make this election a "battle for the soul of the nation" may not have resonated in the way he intended.
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CommonStar
11/04/20 11:28:05 AM
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"America hates socialism"

Meanwhile all the "socialist" policies were shown to be most popular in Fox News' polling last night.

Meanwhile DSA won 26 out of 30 races last night.
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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 11:32:41 AM
#82:


kingdrake2 posted...


maxine waters shamed them for not backing biden, she said she wouldn't ever forgive them for what they did.

Maxine Waters being the reason for Bernie losing makes as much sense as fracking being the reason for a loss in Florida.

Meanwhile all the "socialist" policies were shown to be most popular in Fox News' polling last night.



Yup, which means the issue is a messaging issue. The way that Democrats and the left are trying to pitch are not resonating with the misinformation from conservatives
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COVxy
11/04/20 11:34:19 AM
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I still don't see what clear lessons anybody is supposed to take from the results here thus far.

A tough electoral battle here does not mean that any choices that you think were "better" would actually result in any other result.

Take a breath.

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 11:36:27 AM
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COVxy posted...
I still don't see what clear lessons anybody is supposed to take from the results here thus far.

A tough electoral battle here does not mean that any choices that you think were "better" would actually result in any other result.

Take a breath.


I agree we are still tallying votes. Gotta wait for that postmortem lol
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hockeybub89
11/04/20 11:59:13 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
oh yeah Biden lost Florida because of fracking

You LITERALLY have Cuban Americans telling you they did not vote for Biden because they were afraid of socialism.

And you refuse to acknowledge them and then double down and say WE JUST WERENT LEFIST ENOUGH!!!!

The left (and Democrats too not just the left) has a shit messaging campaign regarding these policies and needs to do better explaining what specifically they want to enact and how they help people.
It sounds like Cuban Americans are like a lot of Americans and need to look at the content of things rather than mindlessly respond to attack ads and buzz words. You're basically saying that people are stupid and need to be babied.

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LostForest
11/04/20 12:29:23 PM
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Gee imagine that, keep supporting shitty, corrupt parties, and keep getting shitty results \_()_/

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averagejoel
11/04/20 12:52:02 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
I know you like socialism, but the vast majority of Americans don't. He would be easily labeled a socialist and probably lose every purple state
this is a non-issue. every democratic candidate gets labeled as a socialist.

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ElatedVenusaur
11/04/20 12:54:21 PM
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averagejoel posted...
this is a non-issue. every democratic candidate gets labeled as a socialist.
And apparently, meekly insisting that you're not a socialist, that you, in fact, beat the socialist and won't do socialist things doesn't seem to do much to diffuse the attack.
But then, we already knew that.
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Funkydog
11/04/20 12:55:06 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
And apparently, meekly insisting that you're not a socialist, that you, in fact, beat the socialist and won't do socialist things doesn't seem to do much to diffuse the attack.
Denying they are socialist is exactly what a socialist would do to trap people in socialism!!!!!!!!!!!

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Antifar
11/04/20 12:55:57 PM
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FWIW, it's not just Cubans that Biden struggled with

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1324020792112435201
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Balrog0
11/04/20 12:56:03 PM
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I feel pretty good with the election results personally

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hockeybub89
11/04/20 12:56:14 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
And apparently, meekly insisting that you're not a socialist, that you, in fact, beat the socialist and won't do socialist things doesn't seem to do much to diffuse the attack.
But then, we already knew that.
Conservatives stand for nothing and forget what was said 3 sentences ago. It's hard to reason with people that seeing being unreasonable as a badge of honor.

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Doom_Art
11/04/20 12:57:16 PM
#93:


Balrog0 posted...
I feel pretty good with the election results personally
@Balrog0 why

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The Trent
11/04/20 12:58:06 PM
#94:


poor canadians

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 12:58:09 PM
#95:


Antifar posted...
FWIW, it's not just Cubans that Biden struggled with

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1324020792112435201


There we go. Now thats some something to use to start talking about Arizona, TX, NV,
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Balrog0
11/04/20 12:59:06 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
@Balrog0 why

Because the president looks like he's going to lose and the Democrats picked up a Senate seat?

I'm not sure what you were expecting but that is pretty much in line with my expectations

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ElatedVenusaur
11/04/20 12:59:13 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Conservatives stand for nothing and forget what was said 3 sentences ago. It's hard to reason with people that seeing being unreasonable as a badge of honor.
Which is why Democrats should probably stop basing so much of their electoral strategy on appealing to/appeasing conservatives.
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Smashingpmkns
11/04/20 12:59:50 PM
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Doom_Art
11/04/20 1:00:37 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Because the president looks like he's going to lose and the Democrats picked up a Senate seat?

I'm not sure what you were expecting but that is pretty much in line with my expectations
Hmm

I really need to learn to manage my expectations

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COVxy
11/04/20 1:00:40 PM
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Antifar posted...
FWIW, it's not just Cubans that Biden struggled with

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1324020792112435201

That twitter account is a joke, tbh.

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