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Antifar
10/30/20 4:20:44 PM
#51:


The Trent posted...
the same thing i'm getting wasting my time making fun of stances on things?

You're doing the equivalent of showing up at bar during an NFL game and talking about "sportsball." We get it, you don't care, don't be a dick to those who do.
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The Trent
10/30/20 4:21:45 PM
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but my personality flaw won't allow that

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Antifar
10/30/20 4:23:42 PM
#53:


Have you considered not having a flawed personality? It's easier than you might think
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The Trent
10/30/20 4:24:25 PM
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this is why i like you even though you don't like me, bored

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legendary_zell
10/30/20 4:24:32 PM
#55:


EngineerGamer posted...
Well that's the problem, if you're privileged enough to be able to support the current incarnation of the GOP then that means politics has such little impact on you that it might as well be a preference on jean fit. I really, really struggle to communicate to people who support Trump that there are actual policy consequences to this, that it isn't just a culture-war anime tournament arc where an election happens and then a 4-year off-season where you gloat about the victory to people who prefer mimosas over natty lites.

I think this is disconnect that we're seeing when topics like this happen, where some people (pretty much always conservatives) seem dumbfounded at taking politics seriously enough to end a friendship over it. "It's just my team, bro! It ain't that serious!" while people die from lack of health care or can't visit family members due to bullshit travel bans (ahem).

Exactly. If Trump had his way, I wouldn't even be in this country, if Trump judges had been on the bench or Trump people controlled the legislature, I wouldn't have gone to the schools I've gone to or have the job I have. Multiply that by hundreds of millions of people.

They have to think of politics as personal, private, and free of consequence or judgment, otherwise they can be held accountable for their shitty beliefs. So they lash out whenever anyone strays from that narrow conception. It's a huge risk to their social standing to be tied to the effects of what they support. Supporting Trump has to be morally equivalent to deciding what haircut to get, otherwise uncomfortable questions are raised about what it is people actually support and why things weren't deal breakers.


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SevenTenths
10/30/20 4:25:04 PM
#56:


Antifar posted...
Have you considered not having a flawed personality?




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LightHawKnight
10/30/20 4:30:55 PM
#57:


Choco posted...
also this
i believe there's decent reasons to vote for trump
but i know someone irl who is an annoying shithead about his love for trump for absolutely no reason

Care to list a single decent reason to vote for Trump?

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SevenTenths
10/30/20 4:33:11 PM
#58:


LightHawKnight posted...
Care to list a single decent reason to vote for Trump?
https://youtu.be/y5KNJrt_DTo

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 4:38:24 PM
#59:


SevenTenths posted...
https://youtu.be/y5KNJrt_DTo

See what else that channel posted though?
Ridiculous
https://youtu.be/JmXj613HPN8

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NeoShadowhen
10/30/20 4:40:03 PM
#60:


SevenTenths posted...
https://youtu.be/y5KNJrt_DTo


Nah, everyone who is anti-trump will be the first to admit that Biden is little more than a walking corpse with a barely functional neurological system. Thats no reason to vote FOR trump. The whole point is to vote in a manner that puts trump out of office, even if it means voting for whatever is left of joe Biden.
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SevenTenths
10/30/20 4:40:25 PM
#61:


WalkingLobsters posted...


See what else that channel posted though?
Nope, and not going to start today

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 4:41:35 PM
#62:


NeoShadowhen posted...
Nah, everyone who is anti-trump will be the first to admit that Biden is little more than a walking corpse with a barely functional neurological system. Thats no reason to vote FOR trump. The whole point is to vote in a manner that puts trump out of office, even if it means voting for whatever is left of joe Biden.
uh did you see what happened to rohan when that happened? Sauron almost took over middle earth

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NeoShadowhen
10/30/20 4:51:03 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
uh did you see what happened to rohan when that happened? Sauron almost took over middle earth

But what if trump is Sauron...

Oh shit. Do you think trump will come back for round 2 in 2024? I dont think thats very likely.
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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 4:52:47 PM
#64:


NeoShadowhen posted...
But what if trump is Sauron...

Oh shit. Do you think trump will come back for round 2 in 2024? I dont think thats very likely.
what are you talking about

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RedJackson
10/30/20 4:55:06 PM
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Im latino

I spent a lot of time growing up defending my white guy musician friends from racist jokes and thinking they had no say in certain subject matter

but this was pre-Trump

Now all these dudes wanna do is play with racist jokes in public, rag on transitioning people in public which results in me calling them straight up bitches and spilling bad blood), getting into politics and half trolling all because they have this perception that the world needs to be saved from itself

We went from rooting for the underdog and the disenfranchised to this non-real/non-alpha shit

Politics in America is like Life: Lite Edition! because real despair and reality exists out there while these dudes get hopped up on this weak medicine

If I wanted someone with complaints Id get into some sort of 2 year relationship and at least get better brain out of it

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Smackems
10/30/20 4:55:44 PM
#66:


Because they're dumb and let themselves be consumed by tribalism

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 5:09:35 PM
#67:


Smackems posted...
Because they're dumb and let themselves be consumed by tribalism
yeah not surprised

the same people who had fanboy wars over video game consoles are now adults and choose to do the same with political ideology. Have fun fighting on the front lines in this war of billionaires.

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DrPrimemaster
10/30/20 5:10:33 PM
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Tyranthraxus
10/30/20 5:13:10 PM
#69:


I have friends who are gay and married and now their life and human rights are under attack.

I have friends from Vietnam and Korea. They aren't Chinese but because the average person can't tell the difference they're experiencing racism like never before in their lives.

I have friends who are trans and are finding more and more people are now allowed to refuse them medical aid and jobs simply because of this.

I have friends who are black and the harassment they suffer under police has gotten worse over the last few years.

I've had family who have lived here under a green card / LPR since they were 3 years old deported to a country with a language they don't speak because of Joe Arpaio.

All of these problems are things that Trump has galvanized and exacerbated to increasing extremes.

You can debate whether the enemy of your enemy is your friend until you're blue in the face of you want, but one simple thing that isn't up for debate is that the enemy of my friends is my enemy.

If you support Trump then you're not my friend.

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legendary_zell
10/30/20 5:16:15 PM
#70:


WalkingLobsters posted...
yeah not surprised

the same people who had fanboy wars over video game consoles are now adults and choose to do the same with political ideology. Have fun fighting on the front lines in this war of billionaires.

@WalkingLobsters What does values on whether police should be able to search me, harass me, kill me with impunity, where I should be able to live, whether I should die with student loan debt, whether my kids or grandkids should be sent off to destroy another country, whether I should be able to make a living wage for full time work, whether there will still be a planet resembling this one in 50 years have to do with console wars or billionaires?

Seems like things are significantly more concrete than that to me.

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 5:18:43 PM
#71:


legendary_zell posted...
@WalkingLobsters What does values on whether police should be able to search me, harass me, kill me with impunity, where I should be able to live, whether I should die with student loan debt, whether my kids or grandkids should be sent off to destroy another country, whether I should be able to make a living wage for full time work, whether there will still be a planet resembling this one in 50 years have to do with console wars or billionaires?

Seems like things are significantly more concrete than that to me.
what a very loaded question. Again using extremism to represent a demographic. That's fine if you're against extremists, but the large majority of conservabros and libbros don't take extremist stances, and yet friends sever all ties with them

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Funkydog
10/30/20 5:20:58 PM
#72:


WalkingLobsters posted...
what a very loaded question. Again using extremism to represent a demographic. That's fine if you're against extremists, but the large majority of conservabros and libbros don't take extremist stances, and yet friends sever all ties with them
By supporting and voting for politicians who do support and push for those laws, you can't then blame people who disagree with that not wanting anything to do with said people.

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Raddest_Chad
10/30/20 5:20:59 PM
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I think partisanship has gone too far. People would rather cancel a friendship than have a discussion. This goes for people on both sides. Everyone just takes disagreements as a personal attack rather than trying to understand why that person has the views they do. Extremes can't be reasoned with, but most people aren't evil. The fringes of the right and the left just want to be agreed with and anyone else is toxic, despite holding a shit ton of ridiculous views from "skin color determines value" to "everything is a microaggression".

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Tyranthraxus
10/30/20 5:21:36 PM
#74:


WalkingLobsters posted...
what a very loaded question. Again using extremism to represent a demographic. That's fine if you're against extremists, but the large majority of conservabros and libbros don't take extremist stances, and yet friends sever all ties with them

You can be the most moderate person in the world, but if you vote Trump, you are trying to kill my friends specifically. That may not be your intentions and it may not be what you approve of but you're still, on some level accepting that the lives of my friends is worth sacrificing in exchange for something else.

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 5:22:13 PM
#75:


Funkydog posted...
By supporting and voting for politicians who do support and push for those laws, then you can't blame people who disagree with that to not want anything to do with said people.
the problem is that people extrapolate those "laws" to their own disillusioned beliefs. Funding the police isn't equivalent to allowing them to search and murder without impunity lol

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WalkingLobsters
10/30/20 5:23:10 PM
#76:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You can be the most moderate person in the world, but if you vote Trump, you are trying to kill my friends specifically. That may not be your intentions and it may not be what you approve of but you're still, on some level accepting that the lives of my friends is worth sacrificing in exchange for something else.
i mean this just sounds like you have a huge ego, and think you're smarter than your friends.

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Funkydog
10/30/20 5:24:34 PM
#77:


WalkingLobsters posted...
the problem is that people extrapolate those "laws" to their own disillusioned beliefs. Funding the police isn't equivalent to allowing them to search and murder without impunity lol
It goes beyond that and I am sure you are well aware of it. Supporting politicians who want to strip basic rights from people, who routinely make racist, sexist and anti LGBT+ remarks. Supporting them when they refuse any police accountability and push for them to be ever MORE heavy handed. The list goes on and people want and deserve equality.

If you want to vote for people who don't believe that, then others are going to reject you.

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Tenlaar
10/30/20 5:24:47 PM
#78:


Raddest_Chad posted...
I think partisanship has gone too far. People would rather cancel a friendship than have a discussion. This goes for people on both sides. Everyone just takes disagreements as a personal attack rather than trying to understand why that person has the views they do. Extremes can't be reasoned with, but most people aren't evil. The fringes of the right and the left just want to be agreed with and anyone else is toxic, despite holding a shit ton of ridiculous views from "skin color determines value" to "everything is a microaggression".
"I think your brother shouldn't have the same legal rights and protections as straight people."
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Tyranthraxus
10/30/20 5:25:28 PM
#79:


WalkingLobsters posted...
i mean this just sounds like you have a huge ego, and think you're smarter than your friends.

I'm gonna need you to clarify this. What does this have to do with me?

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Smashingpmkns
10/30/20 5:31:53 PM
#80:


You (royal) can say you're not racist or whatever kind of bigot and only support Trump because of taxes or whatever but that also means you're putting whatever that issue is above other people's rights so kinda just seems like extra steps to bigotry or at the very least indifference to it which I don't personally tolerate so
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ScazarMeltex
10/30/20 5:34:06 PM
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Why would I be friends with people who think it's ok to elect politicians who view minorities as subhuman degenerates undeserving of basic human rights?

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Anteaterking
10/30/20 5:44:46 PM
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There's some conflation going on in this topic because the people who are having their friendships severed are in general the extremist ones, so the "Not everyone is an extremist!" line is dumb.

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legendary_zell
10/30/20 5:48:56 PM
#83:


WalkingLobsters posted...
what a very loaded question. Again using extremism to represent a demographic. That's fine if you're against extremists, but the large majority of conservabros and libbros don't take extremist stances, and yet friends sever all ties with them

@WalkingLobsters These things are all the way things are currently. If there is not a change to police accountability, they can do whatever they want to me. I currently would not be allowed to come to this country under the Trump administration. Without a change to student loan laws, I will have them for the rest of my life. Every single thing I listed is in the Republican Platform. Trump is currently getting rid of fair housing laws as we speak, I know because my law firm is challenging his rule changes. Are you saying that supporting the current Republican Party or supporting Trump is an extremist position? If so, then we actually agree and tens of millions of people take extreme positions.

The vast majority of Republicans want none of those things to change or want them to change for what I believe to be the worse, and that would have serious negative impacts of people's lives.

Which part of what I'm saying is wrong? If I'm not wrong, why is it unreasonable to not want to interact with people that advocate a worse world for me and people like me?

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ColdOne666
10/30/20 5:59:12 PM
#84:


CyricZ posted...
Quite simply, I have a base level of intelligence required for people I hang out with.

Must be a pretty low bar.

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Anteaterking
10/30/20 6:16:19 PM
#85:


ColdOne666 posted...
Must be a pretty low bar.

I guess Trump supporters still don't pass it so?

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AlisLandale
10/30/20 6:21:31 PM
#86:


The disconnect between the American left and right on this issue is kind of amusing.

why do politics have to decide friendships? I can overlook the fact you care about human life more than money, and think minorities shouldnt be treated like shit. Why cant you overlook the fact that I hold the opposite view?

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Dark_SilverX
10/30/20 6:25:24 PM
#87:


The friendship was a lie.

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YRYRDZ
10/30/20 6:29:17 PM
#88:


I think it's silly. I might distance myself from people but I've always considered it more important to ask WHY someone is voting instead of WHAT they are voting for.

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Intro2Logic
10/30/20 6:31:22 PM
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I don't think anyone ITT would be okay if their best friend was a neo-nazi. So this is a question of where you draw the line, but it's being treated by some people here as though drawing any lines at all is silly.

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IMNOTRAGED
10/30/20 6:33:58 PM
#90:


Intro2Logic posted...
I don't think anyone ITT would be okay if their best friend was a neo-nazis.

You sure about that

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garan
10/30/20 6:36:03 PM
#91:


EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Because people are immature and never learned to solve their problems with words, so all they have is their impotent rage at anyone who disagrees with them.


This, and it seems like it has only gotten five times worse in the era of social media echo chambers.
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YRYRDZ
10/30/20 6:41:30 PM
#92:


Intro2Logic posted...
I don't think anyone ITT would be okay if their best friend was a neo-nazi. So this is a question of where you draw the line, but it's being treated by some people here as though drawing any lines at all is silly.
Yeah I'd probably draw the line at a legitimate Neo Nazi.

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WashYourHands
10/30/20 6:47:54 PM
#93:


Love thy neighbor

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ThanksUglyGod
10/30/20 6:54:09 PM
#94:


Your friends should either spark joy in your life or challenge you to become a better person. If a person's politics doesn't do any of that, might as well cut them out of your life.
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Platinum_Luigi
10/30/20 6:57:48 PM
#95:


I have friends who are gay and married and now their life and human rights are under attack.

I have friends from Vietnam and Korea. They aren't Chinese but because the average person can't tell the difference they're experiencing racism like never before in their lives.

I have friends who are trans and are finding more and more people are now allowed to refuse them medical aid and jobs simply because of this.

I have friends who are black and the harassment they suffer under police has gotten worse over the last few years.

I've had family who have lived here under a green card / LPR since they were 3 years old deported to a country with a language they don't speak because of Joe Arpaio.

All of these problems are things that Trump has galvanized and exacerbated to increasing extremes.

Trump appointed Richard Grenell to his cabinet. Gay marriage isn't under attack. Talking out of your ass. You have problems with the extreme Trump supporters. Racism didn't start with Trump btw. What you are doing is similar to how the republicans associate all BLM with the riots.

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Heavy_D_Forever
10/30/20 7:02:14 PM
#96:


People who are soooo engulfed in politics that it consumes all their thoughts are most likely people who spend more time online than in the real world. I've never met anyone in real life who would end a friendship over political beliefs.

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coh
10/30/20 7:03:40 PM
#97:


one side thinks Trump is a genocidal dictator yet its everyone else who are the extremists.
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Platinum_Luigi
10/30/20 7:04:00 PM
#98:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
People who are soooo engulfed in politics that it consumes all their thoughts are most likely people who spend more time online than in the real world. I've never met anyone in real life who would end a friendship over political beliefs.

Yeah, I uninstalled Twitter and Facebook because of this. Not worth losing friendships over this.

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SpaceBear_
10/30/20 7:05:00 PM
#99:


IMNOTRAGED posted...
Political ideology is just an extension of a person's values. I don't want anything to do with someone who comes to the conclusion that we should build our society around conservative ideals. Not enough to call them a friend anyway


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BilalPowell
10/30/20 7:07:34 PM
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because theyre intolerant

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