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SrRd_RacinG
10/29/20 7:49:09 PM
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Lonestar2000
10/29/20 7:53:31 PM
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No

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Antifar
10/29/20 7:54:28 PM
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No
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Zikten
10/29/20 7:55:19 PM
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Nothing justifies it. Majority should rule on a national level

Maybe Republicans can just withdraw to their local elections if they can't handle national level. Don't like it? Too bad
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Doom_Art
10/29/20 7:55:54 PM
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No.

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10/29/20 7:56:51 PM
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Proto_Spark
10/29/20 8:05:36 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
What am I looking at

Zikten posted...
Nothing justifies it. Majority should rule on a national level

Maybe Republicans can just withdraw to their local elections if they can't handle national level. Don't like it? Too bad

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TheGoldenEel
10/29/20 8:05:53 PM
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no because empty land shouldnt get a vote

(Im assuming this image is of counties that vote Democrat)

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Sayoria
10/29/20 8:05:59 PM
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If Republicans are so against college, why aren't they against the Electoral College?

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MachineJaipur
10/29/20 8:07:42 PM
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Sayoria posted...
If Republicans are so against college, why aren't they against the Electoral College?
Because they actually get a benefit out of the EC (see: the past 4 years)
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SrRd_RacinG
10/29/20 8:09:02 PM
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Bananana
10/29/20 8:10:32 PM
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No, because those populations are not 100% red or blue

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Houston
10/29/20 8:11:44 PM
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The way the image is displayed helps me support the EC. Apparently some states have no red at all. Who represents them? It's called the United States. I think it's reasonable to give every state a chance and voice on who will run the country.

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Atralis
10/29/20 8:12:04 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
no because empty land shouldnt get a vote

(Im assuming this image is of counties that vote Democrat)

I'm not sure thats even what we are looking at. El Paso county is on there (Colorado Springs) and they are solid Republican. Maybe its just counties with large populations?

Colorado may be weird but our electoral map looks more like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Colorado#/media/File:Colorado_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg
Some of the bigger counties up around the ski resorts are fairly liberal while the western slope and the Kansas/Nebraska border are solid red. The Denver area is blue (Boulder is SUPER blue) the Colorado Springs area is red.
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theAteam
10/29/20 8:12:06 PM
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Houston posted...
Who represents them?

The Senate

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Master_Bass
10/29/20 8:13:13 PM
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Abolish the EC!

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_HayleyWilliams
10/29/20 8:15:28 PM
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Why should the less populated states decide every election? Because they vote red? We don't use this bullshit in elections at any other level. One person, one vote. Come what may.

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Alpha218
10/29/20 8:16:01 PM
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land can't vote

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mustachedmystic
10/29/20 8:17:44 PM
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Houston posted...
Who represents them?
Their senators, and congress persons, everybody has 2 of the former, and one of the latter.

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littlebro07
10/29/20 8:19:45 PM
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Why shouldn't Republican voters in California have a voice in presidential elections

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Houston
10/29/20 8:20:01 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Their senators, and congress persons, everybody has 2 of the former, and one of the latter.

You don't think they should have a say in who gets elected president, though?

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Unsugarized_Foo
10/29/20 8:22:01 PM
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It justifies giving more power to states or counties imo

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ZMythos
10/29/20 8:22:33 PM
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Houston posted...
You don't think they should have a say in who gets elected president, though?
No, he does. That's why he supports abolishing the Electoral College.

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Intro2Logic
10/29/20 8:23:42 PM
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Houston posted...
You don't think they should have a say in who gets elected president, though?
If enough people agree with them, they do have a say.

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InhumaneRaider
10/29/20 8:23:58 PM
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Maybe republicans shouldn't run on such shit policies to where most of the country is liberal?

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Evening_Dragon
10/29/20 8:24:13 PM
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Houston posted...
You don't think they should have a say in who gets elected president, though?

More say than other people? No, not at all. Democracy is supposed to work by majority, and yet the only thing the EC does now is subvert majority.

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iPhone_7
10/29/20 8:32:03 PM
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If we get rid of the electoral college then well have tyranny of the majority, so we should instead continue settling for tyranny of the minority.

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mustachedmystic
10/29/20 8:51:25 PM
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Houston posted...
You don't think they should have a say in who gets elected president, though?

If they are eligible to vote, they have a say. That is unless they are a Democrat in a red state, or a Republican in a blue state

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KINDERFELD
10/29/20 8:53:01 PM
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No, not with how deceptive and dishonest the zoning practices are.

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Wetterdew
10/29/20 8:53:25 PM
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The existence of social media and the internet, and the easy availability of campaign speeches and rallies mean that it shouldn't really matter where a candidate is rallying. Their message can spread on the internet better. Which is a huge part of why the electoral college isn't needed.

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I Like Toast
10/29/20 8:53:57 PM
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yes, it also supports redistribution of votes across states and why it shouldn't be winner takes all. A national election should reflect national values. The current EC does not do that and a pure popular vote would not do it either

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Blue_Dream87
10/29/20 8:56:07 PM
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1 person 1 vote

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Zero_Destroyer
10/29/20 8:57:12 PM
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i don't support affirmative action for rural communities, no

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monkmith
10/29/20 9:01:24 PM
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florida and texas are becoming more and more democratic each year. first time they vote blue in an election, think republicans will keep digging their heels in and supporting the EC?

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Garioshi
10/29/20 9:02:57 PM
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No

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UnholyMudcrab
10/29/20 9:06:08 PM
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monkmith posted...
florida and texas are becoming more and more democratic each year. first time they vote blue in an election, think republicans will keep digging their heels in and supporting the EC?
It's only been two elections since the last time Florida voted blue

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Compsognathus
10/29/20 9:07:46 PM
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My vote in Kansas City should be worth exactly as much as someone's vote in NYC or Dallas or Billings, or wherever.

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sktgamer_13dude
10/29/20 9:09:04 PM
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Houston posted...
The way the image is displayed helps me support the EC. Apparently some states have no red at all. Who represents them? It's called the United States. I think it's reasonable to give every state a chance and voice on who will run the country.

until you realize all the Republicans in blue states have basically no say in the presidential race. Theres a lot of red voters in eastern WA/OR and throughout California but their vote literally doesnt matter for president because those states will never turn red.
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monkmith
10/29/20 9:10:21 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
It's only been two elections since the last time Florida voted blue
2008 election was an outlier. but its more proof the state is shifting blue.

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UnholyMudcrab
10/29/20 9:11:15 PM
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monkmith posted...
2008 election was an outlier. but its more proof the state is shifting blue.
And 2012?

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monkmith
10/29/20 9:13:15 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
And 2012?
ok, hows this. actually shifting blue, which would include senators and a governor.

its apparently been 20 years since the last democratic governor.

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Houston
10/29/20 9:14:54 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
If they are eligible to vote, they have a say. That is unless they are a Democrat in a red state, or a Republican in a blue state

That's a fair point. I can see it from both sides. But I would still lean towards the EC given the way our states are set up and it's something that seems to be intended by the founding fathers. I do take comfort in knowing that even if you're a Democrat in a red city or a Republican in a blue city, your vote still counts towards the state's. If it were 1 person 1 vote, the higher populations in select areas would determine it and I feel it just doesn't give everyone a representation. There's people with different experiences and different needs that are nowhere near a city.

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EffectAndCause
10/29/20 9:20:49 PM
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Who gives a shit about landmass relative to population?

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_HayleyWilliams
10/29/20 9:21:35 PM
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Houston posted...
That's a fair point. I can see it from both sides. But I would still lean towards the EC given the way our states are set up and it's something that seems to be intended by the founding fathers. I do take comfort in knowing that even if you're a Democrat in a red city or a Republican in a blue city, your vote still counts towards the state's. If it were 1 person 1 vote, the higher populations in select areas would determine it and I feel it just doesn't give everyone a representation. There's people with different experiences and different needs that are nowhere near a city.
That's what Congress is for, and also a good case against the two-party system. Does everyones that lives in an urban, suburban, or rural area have the same values? Is everyone that voted red or blue truly in agreeance?

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Rikiaz
10/29/20 9:22:44 PM
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Houston posted...
If it were 1 person 1 vote, the higher populations in select areas would determine it and I feel it just doesn't give everyone a representation. There's people with different experiences and different needs that are nowhere near a city.
So we allow empty land to be a hugely determining factor in the elections instead? The majority of the population gets screwed over by large chucks of land with smaller populations? And nearly every election comes down to the same few swing states being the deciding factor.

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EffectAndCause
10/29/20 9:23:47 PM
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Pretty sure the idea of free healthcare and education are universal values for city poor people and country poor people.

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au_gold
10/29/20 9:24:45 PM
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Zikten posted...
Nothing justifies it.

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Unsugarized_Foo
10/29/20 9:28:23 PM
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Rikiaz posted...
So we allow empty land to be a hugely determining factor in the elections instead? The majority of the population gets screwed over by large chucks of land with smaller populations? And nearly every election comes down to the same few swing states being the deciding factor.

How much smaller is smaller? We talking 51/49 or 60/40 or what? It'd be messed up if 51% made 49% not matter

Might not be a good reason to discount votes, but it'd show a flawed system at least

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Nu_Titan
10/29/20 9:37:52 PM
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When they created the electoral college, the US was a much different country with far far less informed eligible voters. The founders thought that most voters wouldn't know much about the national candidates only their local officials. This doesn't apply in the age of television and internet.

The smaller population states already have huge power through the Senate.

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