Current Events > New poll claims Trump will win again due to the Hidden Americans demographic.

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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 6:55:22 AM
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With two weeks left until Election Day, 35 million Americans having already voted, and most polls showing Joe Biden leading President Trump, Trafalgar Group chief pollster Robert Cahaly told Hannity Tuesday the incumbent is likely to be reelected.

I see the president winning with a minimum [electoral vote count in the] high 270s and possibly going up significantly higher based on just how big this undercurrent is, Cahaly told host Sean Hannity.

The Georgia-based Trafalgar Group drew national attention in 2016 as one of the few pollsters showing Trump leading in Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan on the eve of voting day. Trump swept all three states en route to his stunning win over Hillary Clinton.

This year, Cahaly said he was not even going to try to predict when results will be finalized due to the large amount of mail-in balloting necessitated by the coronavirus pandemic.

However, the chief pollster prediced that Trump will hold Florida, Ohio, North Carolina and Georgia -- all states where most polls show a statistical dead heat or even a slight Biden lead.

What weve noticed is that these polls are predominantly missing the hidden Trump vote,

Cahaly explained. There is a clear feeling among conservatives and people that are for the president that theyre not interested in sharing their opinions readily ... These people ... are more hesitant to participate in polls. So if youre not compensating for this ... youre not going to get honest answers.

Meanwhile, the ongoing controversy over Hunter Bidens foreign business dealings could still upend most pundits' predictions, the pollster said.

If the president uses this effectively at the debate [Thursday] when a more bipartisan audience is paying attention and puts [Biden] on the spot, I think Biden might crack, kind of like he did in the primaries, Cahaly said. And if that happens, well, then the mainstream media is going to have to cover it."

Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-cahaly-trafalgar-group-2020-election-polls



Conservatives are really putting all their eggs in this Hunter Biden story.

It's such a bizarre one too

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nfearurspecimn
10/21/20 6:56:15 AM
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The invisible enemy.

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littlebro07
10/21/20 6:57:08 AM
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LastTomorrow
10/21/20 7:24:53 AM
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So... the secret American army has arrived

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BloodMoon7
10/21/20 7:27:53 AM
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What the heck is a hidden American? How will they hide when they are probably overweight?

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harley2280
10/21/20 7:29:37 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
people that are for the president that theyre not interested in sharing their opinions readily ...

I have never met a single Trump supporter that didn't make it incredibly obvious.
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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 7:31:48 AM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
What the heck is a hidden American? How will they hide when they are probably overweight?
It's the "silent majority"

The idea that tens of millions of Trump voters are too afraid to speak up in public or claim to support him openly, but will vote for him on election night.

People who'll not answer the question of "Who are you voting for?" but in the booth with go Trump.

That's how they are "hidden" because the media and polling goes right past them

So the theory goes anyway

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Chadwick69
10/21/20 7:41:49 AM
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Yee that's me. I told my mom I'm voting for Biden but I ain't voting for Biden. :)
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nfearurspecimn
10/21/20 7:58:07 AM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
What the heck is a hidden American? How will they hide when they are probably overweight?
have you ever seen someone overweight? bingo. they all hide from sight so people don't mock them.

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Thompson
10/21/20 8:49:53 AM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
What the heck is a hidden American? How will they hide when they are probably overweight?
I believe they hide behind the people who are too fat to hide themselves.

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dameon_reaper
10/21/20 8:52:00 AM
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Trump supporters hide that they support Trump? *looks at all the loud people who support Trump* dear god, they have the option to not be so obnoxiously loud?!
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Number090684
10/21/20 9:03:35 AM
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So basically racists / bigots that are afraid to come out with it because of people will most likely judge them for who they are and what they are supporting? Also "Hidden Americans" is such bullshit terminology for it and trying to make it seem more patriotic, and more better than it really is.

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LightHawKnight
10/21/20 9:05:29 AM
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I can see Trump winning still, if only cause he and other republicans are doing everything possible to suppress voters, and the so called voter fraud garbage they will toss out a ton of early votes.

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Were_Wyrm
10/21/20 9:08:58 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
What weve noticed is that these polls are predominantly missing the hidden Trump vote,
Translation: these polls don't account for voter suppression shenanigans.

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solosnake
10/21/20 9:11:10 AM
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Trump has proven that appealing to the racists is a valid campaign strategy to get enough votes to win. Its extremely sad

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Broseph_Stalin
10/21/20 9:12:06 AM
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"trump supporters aren't that vocal" is the funniest shit I've ever heard
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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 9:45:57 AM
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solosnake posted...
Trump has proven that appealing to the racists is a valid campaign strategy to get enough votes to win. Its extremely sad
Conservatives have been doing that forever

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TommyG663513
10/21/20 9:48:50 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
"trump supporters aren't that vocal" is the funniest shit I've ever heard


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V-E-G-Y-
10/21/20 9:48:55 AM
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I heard Republicans registered to vote more den democrats and new voters combined
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SomaMaxwell
10/21/20 9:51:58 AM
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I am really feeling this election. Like i don't know how to vote. Usually i have already picked someone but every day something makes me think about my choices and i am not so sure about who is the right choice anymore.


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Number090684
10/21/20 9:57:50 AM
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SomaMaxwell posted...
I am really feeling this election. Like i don't know how to vote. Usually i have already picked someone but every day something makes me think about my choices and i am not so sure about who is the right choice anymore.

lol Wow okay....

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Giant_Aspirin
10/21/20 9:58:01 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
There is a clear feeling among conservatives and people that are for the president that theyre not interested in sharing their opinions readily

huh, then i wonder why i drive by some houses with like 50+ TRUMP MAGA signs out front?

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BlueTigerLion
10/21/20 9:58:38 AM
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It makes sense. People hate Trump supporters and say stuff like is someone is one they wouldn't be there friend. So they go into the closet and act liberal but vote Trump in the booth.

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ZevLoveDOOM
10/21/20 9:59:22 AM
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im sure most Trump supporters feel unashamed about showing their love to their supreme leader...
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Poop2
10/21/20 10:06:16 AM
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i love how POLLS work for republicans when it fits their narrative
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Medussa
10/21/20 10:10:16 AM
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sounds like laying some groundwork for creating a bunch of fake votes

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Number090684
10/21/20 10:10:34 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
huh, then i wonder why i drive by some houses with like 50+ TRUMP MAGA signs out front?

Seriously, this shit is disgusting.

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Medussa
10/21/20 10:11:17 AM
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Number090684 posted...
Seriously, this shit is disgusting.

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divot1338
10/21/20 10:13:43 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's the "silent majority"

The idea that tens of millions of Trump voters are too afraid to speak up in public or claim to support him openly, but will vote for him on election night.

People who'll not answer the question of "Who are you voting for?" but in the booth with go Trump.

That's how they are "hidden" because the media and polling goes right past them

So the theory goes anyway
We know they didnt exist four years ago.

And theres no reason to think they exist now.

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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 10:19:23 AM
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divot1338 posted...
We know they didnt exist four years ago.

And theres no reason to think they exist now.
wut

he won in 16 and the dude predicting this predicted that

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philsov
10/21/20 10:24:03 AM
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Number090684 posted...
So basically racists / bigots that are afraid to come out with it because of people will most likely judge them for who they are and what they are supporting? Also "Hidden Americans" is such bullshit terminology for it and trying to make it seem more patriotic, and more better than it really is.


More that people who dislike Democratic policy and lean more conservative and are just ONE DAY away from making $400,000/yr don't wish to be associated with the bigots and racists but still vote for Trump because enabling the bigots, racists, anti-science types is still seen as the lesser evil than being environmentally conscious and thinking trans people exist.

Edit: The recent aspects regarding COVID handling or handling of economy/civil unrest/etc have made some people who voted for Trump in '16 think to simply not vote. Like, they still don't like what Biden and the dems are offering but they also don't want to empower Trump.
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divot1338
10/21/20 10:31:45 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
wut

he won in 16 and the dude predicting this predicted that
Not because of voters of which Trump now has fewer than in 2016. He won tby using felonies, voter suppression and foreign interference and collusion.

There was no huge hidden block of Trump voters as evidenced by the fact that he got fewer votes.

So keep in mind the fact that Donnie is so dumb he spent a billion dollars on a campaign to make himself less popular to voters.

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Veggeta X
10/21/20 10:33:07 AM
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The Silent Majority is what they call themselves but really they are vocal on social media.

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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 10:37:30 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
The Silent Majority is what they call themselves but really they are vocal on social media.
They're also not a majority

Trump lost the popular vote by near 3 million last time and will lose it by WAY more this year

But he might still win by the electoal college.

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Proto_Spark
10/21/20 10:39:11 AM
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divot1338 posted...
Not because of voters of which Trump now has fewer than in 2016. He won tby using felonies, voter suppression and foreign interference and collusion.

There was no huge hidden block of Trump voters as evidenced by the fact that he got fewer votes.

So keep in mind the fact that Donnie is so dumb he spent a billion dollars on a campaign to make himself less popular to voters.

This. Any "hidden Americans" that would support Trump but are afraid to are way less likely than they are to actually support him now than they were in 2016, and Trump also has a way more likeable opponent.
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Jabodie
10/21/20 10:56:22 AM
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They're right. Hidden Americans will decide the election:



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Rathinor
10/21/20 11:09:25 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
wut

he won in 16 and the dude predicting this predicted that
He won the three states (MI, PA, WI) within the margin of error predicted by most polls

Those three states combined he only won by 80 thousand votes total. Against a much less likable candidate. When he was viewed as an outsider. Before he completely fucked up the coronavirus response.
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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 11:14:58 AM
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Rathinor posted...
He won the three states (MI, PA, WI) within the margin of error predicted by most polls

Those three states combined he only won by 80 thousand votes total. Against a much less likable candidate. When he was viewed as an outsider. Before he completely fucked up the coronavirus response.
Yes but the point is this guy predicted he would won those states

"They were wrong but within the margin of error" is still wrong.

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pogo_rabid
10/21/20 11:14:59 AM
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I was told by CE to believe the polls this time around, so this must be true.

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harley2280
10/21/20 11:17:31 AM
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pogo_rabid posted...
I was told by CE to believe the polls this time around, so this must be true.

The polls before election day were correct. The results of 2016 were with in the margin of error.
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pogo_rabid
10/21/20 11:18:38 AM
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harley2280 posted...
The polls before election day were correct. The results of 2016 were with in the margin of error.
You're gonna have a real hard time trying convince me by handwaving away my comment.

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TwigsthePnoDude
10/21/20 11:23:32 AM
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I have 12 friends who told pollsters they were voting for Biden when they are going to vote for Trump, 10 friends who wouldn't pick up, 8 who are voting third party, 6 who are going to vote twice, 4who are actually voting Biden, and a partridge in a pear tree

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Rathinor
10/21/20 11:25:05 AM
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Trafalgar at this current time has Trump down in PA and WI per their website

https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org
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Rathinor
10/21/20 11:31:34 AM
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Also want to point out that Trump was an outsider in 2016. No one (except idiots) see him as that now. He's running with 4 years of mismanagement and scandal behind him. He filled the swamp with more creatures than he entered it with.

He had the "anti-establishment" vote in 2016, but now he IS the establishment.
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Irony
10/21/20 11:32:43 AM
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Silent Trump supporters isn't a thing

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UnfairRepresent
10/21/20 11:32:46 AM
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Rathinor posted...
No one (except idiots) see him as that now.
Guess who votes for Trump?

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Medussa
10/21/20 11:32:58 AM
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Rathinor posted...
He had the "anti-establishment" vote in 2016, but now he IS the establishment.

i don't think i'd say he's become the establishment. he's just made the establishment look infinitely better in comparison.

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Questionmarktarius
10/21/20 11:41:56 AM
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Number090684 posted...
So basically racists / bigots that are afraid to come out with it because of people will most likely judge them for who they are and what they are supporting?
...and that's why.
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Rathinor
10/21/20 11:48:43 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Guess who votes for Trump?
I mean, more than just idiots thought he'd be an outsider in 2016. This year the only non idiots voting for him are out of financial reasons. No one with half a brain thinks he'll actually drain the swamp
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