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Doe
09/30/20 10:10:15 AM
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You gotta be a Trump sycophant or a far left biden hater to believe this shit. Its delusion

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VonOrdelia
09/30/20 10:11:11 AM
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Their ass must hurt from sitting on that fence so much

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Dustin1280
09/30/20 10:12:32 AM
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No trump was magnitudes worse then biden.

Biden at least was coherent, and TRIED to make points.

The problem is both the moderator and Biden let trumps tantrums and insults sidetrack them.

Biden won the debate easily, he crushed it. But the bar wasn't set very high to begin with.

Ultimately when looking at the big picture, American Lost because NO presidential debate should EVER have turned out the way that one did...

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Theon_Greyjoy
09/30/20 10:12:36 AM
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If you don't know which side did better, then you ain't black

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Hexenherz
09/30/20 10:12:44 AM
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There's some bullshit double standard going on out there where Trump did bad but it was "OK because Trump shouting over everyone all the time to make his voice heard and being a bully is what Trump does", but Biden did bad because he didn't specify the dates of implementation, dollar amounts (to cents), anticipated reduction of carbon emissions (to grams), and specifically how many jobs would be created by his economic and environmental policies.

I hate this timeline.

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pinky0926
09/30/20 10:16:46 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
There's some bullshit double standard going on out there where Trump did bad but it was "OK because Trump shouting over everyone all the time to make his voice heard and being a bully is what Trump does", but Biden did bad because he didn't specify the dates of implementation, dollar amounts (to cents), anticipated reduction of carbon emissions (to grams), and specifically how many jobs would be created by his economic and environmental policies.

I hate this timeline.

Trump rambled on like a crackhead and called his white supremacist militia to arms, Biden wasn't able to accurately substantiate some specific figures in relation to economic policy

Who's to say which is worse than the other? derpydeoooooo

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Bleuets
09/30/20 10:21:26 AM
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Biden did horrible. And so did trump. Both sides sucked. If you somehow watched that debate and thought Biden did well you are a democrat. And thats cool, but just realize you dont represent everyone.
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Too_Many_Limes
09/30/20 10:22:51 AM
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Biden didn't do particularly well, but compared to Trump he at least came off as professional and presidential. He managed to score a couple of nice moments with the defense of hi sons and his closing statements.

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Dustin1280
09/30/20 10:23:04 AM
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Bleuets posted...
Biden did horrible. And so did trump. Both sides sucked. If you somehow watched that debate and thought Biden did well you are a democrat. And thats cool, but just realize you dont represent everyone.
Biden was coherent and tried to make points, he actually showed himself to be a human with his son.
Trump had a tantrum like a spoiled child and wouldn't let anyone but himself speak.

Biden failed in that he let trump talk over him and sidetrack him, but trump's performance was magnitudes worse than biden's.

Yes everyone lost in that debate, because no presidential debate should EVER have turned out the way that one did.

But holy hell, trump lost by a significant margin (even if the bar was set low)

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Hexenherz
09/30/20 10:23:25 AM
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Bleuets posted...
Biden did horrible. And so did trump. Both sides sucked. If you somehow watched that debate and thought Biden did well you are a democrat. And thats cool, but just realize you dont represent everyone.
I'm not a Democrat. I hate the two party system. But one person objectively demonstrated he understands the president is supposed to serve all people, and one person wanted to use his time and his opponent's time repeating discredited conspiracy theories about his opponent's family.

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Doom_Art
09/30/20 10:24:59 AM
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Bleuets posted...
Biden did horrible. And so did trump. Both sides sucked. If you somehow watched that debate and thought Biden did well you are a democrat. And thats cool, but just realize you dont represent everyone.
BoTh SiDeS hurrrr

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IfGodCouldDie
09/30/20 10:26:56 AM
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Bleuets posted...
Biden did horrible. And so did trump. Both sides sucked. If you somehow watched that debate and thought Biden did well you are a democrat. And thats cool, but just realize you dont represent everyone.
If you think Biden was horrible, that's fine. Understand though, that Trump was magnitudes worse.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:37:24 AM
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I will start this off by saying I strongly dislike Trump, and I'm a registered republican still that has gone more middle of the road the last 10 years or so.

I made it 20 minutes in before I turned it off. Trump looked like an asshole which was to be expected but Biden just looked old and feeble at times. He kept tripping over his lines. Do I think he's old and senile like Trump says? No. But I don't think he has all the brain power he used to and that isn't a good thing when you're going for, arguably, the most powerful job in the world. Biden had MONTHS to prepare for this. He should have known every word and lie that would come out of Trumps mouth. He should have known Trump would interrupt as much as he did. He should have been READY for it. But he wasn't. He looked weak.

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Shadowplay
09/30/20 10:43:11 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I will start this off by saying I strongly dislike Trump, and I'm a registered republican still that has gone more middle of the road the last 10 years or so.

I made it 20 minutes in before I turned it off. Trump looked like an asshole which was to be expected but Biden just looked old and feeble at times. He kept tripping over his lines. Do I think he's old and senile like Trump says? No. But I don't think he has all the brain power he used to and that isn't a good thing when you're going for, arguably, the most powerful job in the world. Biden had MONTHS to prepare for this. He should have known every word and lie that would come out of Trumps mouth. He should have known Trump would interrupt as much as he did. He should have been READY for it. But he wasn't. He looked weak.
Check out this hot take.

But seriously, why do so many people think that Biden should have known this would happen? Everyone was pretty much expecting a repeat of his debates with Hillary, not the mess that he turned this into.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:45:13 AM
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Shadowplay posted...
Check out this hot take.

But seriously, why do so many people think that Biden should have known this would happen? Everyone was pretty much expecting a repeat of his debates with Hillary, not the mess that he turned this into.

When has Trump ever acted any differently? I would argue it's just him at the Hillary debates turned up to an even higher level. Why? Because he got away with it before.

Did people really expect Trump to wait his turn to speak? When has he EVER done that? Did they expect him to come out and not lie? When has he EVER done that? If people didn't see this coming they weren't paying attention.

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NinjaWarrior455
09/30/20 10:46:56 AM
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Shadowplay posted...
Check out this hot take.

But seriously, why do so many people think that Biden should have known this would happen? Everyone was pretty much expecting a repeat of his debates with Hillary, not the mess that he turned this into.
Have you not been paying attention the last 4 years? Hell even the last 4 months. It's obvious what Trump is at this point.

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ThunderTrain
09/30/20 10:48:46 AM
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Those are Trump supporters trying to act in bad faith by saying that. Trying to push apathy instead of truth.

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Shadowplay
09/30/20 10:49:10 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
When has Trump ever acted any differently? I would argue it's just him at the Hillary debates turned up to an even higher level. Why? Because he got away with it before.

Did people really expect Trump to wait his turn to speak? When has he EVER done that? Did they expect him to come out and not lie? When has he EVER done that? If people didn't see this coming they weren't paying attention.
Biden almost certainly expected the pettiness and interruptions, as most people did, but this was significantly worse than anything we've seen. He handled himself about as well as he could.

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Hexenherz
09/30/20 10:52:33 AM
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Even if he did anticipate it, what are you supposed to do. He kept his composure and responded when appropriate and didn't engage in a shouting match. It's not his job to moderate Trump's speech, that was Wallace's job.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 10:56:30 AM
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Shadowplay posted...
Biden almost certainly expected the pettiness and interruptions, as most people did, but this was significantly worse than anything we've seen. He handled himself about as well as he could.

Because his base and a lot of the Republican party cheers this shit on. When he "owns" someone with words and it isn't factually correct they don't call him on his shit. They applaud him and say "you fucking showed him." Trump is a powerful person with a powerful presence and Biden couldn't compete with that after all the prep.

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harley2280
09/30/20 10:57:05 AM
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The tripping over words argument is insanely stupid. Biden has a legitimate fucking speech problem. Him tripping over words is the literal manifestation of his stutter.

I have a stutter and I do that crap all the time. Stop buying into that stupid fucking dementia conspiracy Qanon shit.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 11:00:17 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
Even if he did anticipate it, what are you supposed to do. He kept his composure and responded when appropriate and didn't engage in a shouting match. It's not his job to moderate Trump's speech, that was Wallace's job.

Right, that's a tough spot and I agree mostly. Biden did stoop a few times I felt, like telling Trump to be quiet or shut up. You come out with facts to counteract his bullshit. When presenting those facts Biden would sometimes stammer and mix numbers up and such. That why I am saying he didn't look strong and looked kind of weak in fact.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/30/20 11:12:19 AM
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harley2280 posted...
The tripping over words argument is insanely stupid. Biden has a legitimate fucking speech problem. Him tripping over words is the literal manifestation of his stutter.

I have a stutter and I do that crap all the time. Stop buying into that stupid fucking dementia conspiracy Qanon shit.

Sure. I'll buy that. I'll buy him stammering trying to figure out if he means millions or billions. But this man has referred to himself as a "gaffe machine" and knows he says the wrong things at times. Is that due to a speech impediment?
"Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids"
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or dunkin donuts without a slight Indian accent"
"We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse no matter what" referring to Covid
"The younger generation tells me how tough things are, give me a break."

Those don't seem to be speech impediment problems, but what do I know, I don't have one.

Now none of those things were said at the debate. But to pretend he doesn't mix up his words and say dumb shit a lot is just ignoring facts.

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Damn_Underscore
09/30/20 11:26:16 AM
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Trump was worse than Biden. He turned the debate into a joke, It was basically just a comedy, there was no legitimate "debate"

But there was so much that Biden could have called Trump out on, and he didn't. So in that sense Biden did suck.

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Hexenherz
09/30/20 8:55:46 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Trump was worse than Biden. He turned the debate into a joke, It was basically just a comedy, there was no legitimate "debate"

But there was so much that Biden could have called Trump out on, and he didn't. So in that sense Biden did suck.
He did miss a really strong opportunity with mail in ballots. He said the military does use absentee mail in ballots, but I really wish he drive that point home (saying something like "If you're suggesting that mail in ballots are fraudulent then you're saying mailed in votes by the military are fraudulent"). Just to make a clear connection.

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FortuneCookie
09/30/20 9:17:28 PM
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No, they both did.

Trump's strategy was simply to badger Biden and not let him talk. When Biden did talk, he didn't sound all that much more put together than Trump. He made one or two good points (which is more than Trump), but this is a lesser of two evils election if I ever saw one. I hope President Biden steps down after a few months in office. He's clearly not all there.

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hockeybub89
09/30/20 9:19:20 PM
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Both candidates suck at existence so of course they both sucked

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Smashingpmkns
09/30/20 9:22:27 PM
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There's a huge gap between "not supporting the green new deal and pushing to give police more funding" sucking and "calling on far right racist groups to stand by and encouraging far right crazies to patrol voting sites" sucking, imo.
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ZeroX91
09/30/20 9:25:49 PM
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Did you watch it? Thing was an embaressment complete shitshow

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COVxy
09/30/20 9:37:52 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There's a huge gap between "not supporting the green new deal and pushing to give police more funding" sucking

It would be weird if Biden didn't support his own policy agendas.

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Delirious_Beard
09/30/20 9:44:07 PM
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"sure trump interrupted at every opportunity, signaled support for white supremacists, and insulted joe biden for having a son who battled drug addiction, but Biden stuttered a bit so really can we say either of them won?"

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ChocoboMogALT
09/30/20 9:46:01 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
I'm not a Democrat. I hate the two party system. But one person objectively demonstrated he understands the president is supposed to serve all people, and one person wanted to use his time and his opponent's time repeating discredited conspiracy theories about his opponent's family.
I remember arguing with you vehemently about something or other. How do I tag someone who I can rationally disagree with?

Btw, polls from "undecideds" are coming back way in Biden's favor of winning the debate. They especially appreciated that he addressed the camera and called for unity as a country. He may have stumbled on policy, but he's not up against a policy wonk, he's up against Trump. Having any policy is leagues above making unenforceable executive orders.

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Balrog0
09/30/20 9:53:11 PM
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Biden did perfectly fine.

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Esrac
09/30/20 10:21:33 PM
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OK. So, I didnt watch the debate, but I'm going to make a presumptuous guess.

They both sucked in different ways. Trump sucked because he came off as a bloviating buffoon. Biden sucked because he came off as feckless and ineffective in the face of a loud mouthed bully.

How close did I get?
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Frisk
09/30/20 10:25:55 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
No trump was magnitudes worse then biden.

Biden at least was coherent, and TRIED to make points.

The problem is both the moderator and Biden let trumps tantrums and insults sidetrack them.

Biden won the debate easily, he crushed it. But the bar wasn't set very high to begin with.

Ultimately when looking at the big picture, American Lost because NO presidential debate should EVER have turned out the way that one did...

Yeah that's why Trump has no place in politics. Just keep your ass in Mar o Lago and play golf, tweet, and watch fox news all day.

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ChocoboMogALT
09/30/20 10:28:05 PM
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Esrac posted...
OK. So, I didnt watch the debate, but I'm going to make a presumptuous guess.

They both sucked in different ways. Trump sucked because he came off as a bloviating buffoon. Biden sucked because he came off as feckless and ineffective in the face of a loud mouthed bully.

How close did I get?
Not at all. Biden directly told Trump to "Shut up, man," and fought for airtime numerous times. He stumbled on a few policy and support issues.
You can't really make a screaming man baby shut up by arguing over him. If Biden had tried to yell, he would have looked all the worse. Ultimately the moderator looked ineffective, because he was.
Watch the debate. It is actually entertaining in how much of a train wreck it is. It's like watching r/publicfreakouts or something.

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iPhone_7
09/30/20 10:36:25 PM
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Both sides

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pogo_rabid
09/30/20 10:37:25 PM
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joke's on you i didn't even watch the debate

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CanuckCowboy
09/30/20 10:38:21 PM
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They did both suck.

Trump was objectively fucking awful even for trump and biden just sucked.

Being better than trump doesnt mean you dont suck. Cmon tc

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Twelf
09/30/20 10:39:39 PM
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TIL: You have to be far left to be to the left of Biden.
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Esrac
09/30/20 10:41:51 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Not at all. Biden directly told Trump to "Shut up, man," and fought for airtime numerous times. He stumbled on a few policy and support issues.
You can't really make a screaming man baby shut up by arguing over him. If Biden had tried to yell, he would have looked all the worse. Ultimately the moderator looked ineffective, because he was.
Watch the debate. It is actually entertaining in how much of a train wreck it is. It's like watching r/publicfreakouts or something.

I guess I was at least half right.
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