Current Events > Unpopular opinion: I don't get what people see in Skyfall.

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First half of the movie is slow as molasses at times and has a lot of random fanservice that doesnt really fit the plot

Second half of the movie is PG-13 Home Alone which I suppose is fair to like

The villain isnt as charming as he might seem too

Casino Royale is still the GOAT

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Yeah sky fall blew. Way too slow

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I liked the song

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Good song. Good villain. Good action. It's the only Daniel Craig film to feel like a James Bond movie. In every other movie, he plays Jason Bourne.


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leagues better than QoS, although thats not a hard bar to rise.

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Casino Royale (amazing) > Skyfall (decent) > Quantum of Solace (mediocre) >>> Spectre (terrible)

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FortuneCookie posted...

It's the only Daniel Craig film to feel like a James Bond movie.

Sure, if you sleep through parts of Casino Royale I guess

And Spectre felt like the most traditional of all the Craig movies to me, funny enough

Turbam posted...

I liked the song

Thats fair but Chris Cornell tho

DigitalCamera posted...

leagues better than QoS, although thats not a hard bar to rise.

That movie deserves better tbh, I give it props for attempting the first direct sequel at least


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I didn't like Skyfall. Felt way too much like it was pushing a conservative narrative. The old ways are best, new things are bad, blah blah blah. Also pushed the idea that women are helpless and/or disposable more than other recent Bond films. Lots of people claimed it was a return to form. They are right. In this case, that is a bad thing.

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ImmatureContent posted...

I didn't like Skyfall. Felt way too much like it was pushing a conservative narrative. The old ways are best, new things are bad, blah blah blah. Also pushed the idea that women are helpless and/or disposable more than other recent Bond films. Lots of people claimed it was a return to form. They are right. In this case, that is a bad thing.

Oh yeah I forgot about that overly blatant theming lol

Its a good one but it was WAY too heavy handed

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Sure, if you sleep through parts of Casino Royale I guess

Casino Royale is by design an anti-007 movie.

He doesn't drink. He doesn't enjoy sex. (He only likes to cuckold other men to prove he's alpha over them.) He resents the tux and his upper class upbringing. The only Bond-like thing he does in the entire movie is gamble and that's only because it's a major plot point from the novel.

If EON could've traded the rights to James Bond for the rights to Jason Bourne, they would've done so in a millisecond.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Casino Royale is by design an anti-007 movie.

He doesn't drink. He doesn't enjoy sex. (He only likes to cuckold other men to prove he's alpha over them.) He resents the tux and his upper class upbringing. The only Bond-like thing he does in the entire movie is gamble and that's only because it's a major plot point from the novel.

If EON could've traded the rights to James Bond for the rights to Jason Bourne, they would've done so in a millisecond.

Its a Bond movie in the sense that he acquires tastes for all of those things over time, especially since it was a reboot.

It also shows why he has Bond girls and never spouses, in a major way

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Casino Royale and Skyfall are my top 2 Bond movies.

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It's mediocre, but at least Bardem is good in it.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Its a Bond movie in the sense that he acquires tastes for all of those things over time, especially since it was a reboot.

That was a marketing lie though. They never had any intention of turning him into Bond.

There was no character development between the first and second movies. It only in Skyfall that he started to act more like Bond. But then SPECTRE went right back to having him be Quantum of Solace Bond.

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FortuneCookie posted...

That was a marketing lie though. They never had any intention of turning him into Bond.

There was no character development between the first and second movies. It only in Skyfall that he started to act more like Bond. But then SPECTRE went right back to having him be Quantum of Solace Bond.

Wut

Bond has always fought loads of enemies with big guns and one-liners though. Thats as much of his character as the tuxedos and gadgets. Pierce Brosnan is probably the definitive Bond to many and most of his movies feature parallels, including gambling in their debut movie and crazy shootouts in the second one

Hell, Skyfall felt more like the anti-bond movie. No cool gadgets, a DN5 throwback car instead of a modern Aston Martin, spending most of the beginning of the movie completely out of his element, themes about him being obsolete, and he didnt even have enough guns to handle the Home Alone house defense.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

OHMSS and all the ensuing movies did this way better than Im sad about Eva Green

Probably, but by that point in his career developing feelings was a dumb, dumb thing to do. Better off early on like in CR where he thinks its still possible

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Spectre was better IMO, I really liked Spectre unlike the rest of the internet. One of the best intro scenes of any action movie, and definitely of any Bond movie.

Skyfall is good but definitely not as amazing as everyone says it is.

Honestly, I'm one of the people who hasn't liked a single movie in the Daniel Craig Bond series. Skyfall was the closest one to being good, but all the others didn't feel anything like a Bond film.

I grew up on Goldfinger, Dr. No, Moonraker, From Russia with Love, Diamonds are Forever, Goldeneye, etc. etc.

There's a distinct flavor to Bond films that remained pretty consistent all the way up until Casino Royale, which I flat-out disliked immediately.

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DavidZ2844 posted...

Spectre was better IMO, I really liked Spectre unlike the rest of the internet. One of the best intro scenes of any action movie, and definitely of any Bond movie.

My people

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Honestly, I'm one of the people who hasn't liked a single movie in the Daniel Craig Bond series. Skyfall was the closest one to being good, but all the others didn't feel anything like a Bond film.

I grew up on Goldfinger, Dr. No, Moonraker, From Russia with Love, Diamonds are Forever, Goldeneye, etc. etc.

There's a distinct flavor to Bond films that remained pretty consistent all the way up until Casino Royale, which I flat-out disliked immediately.

Thats fair, but I think the fact that the Craig movies (especially Casino Royale) stand up to scrutiny in general despite coming out in the Bourne/MI era says a lot

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i dont get craig bond in general

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FortuneCookie posted...

That was a marketing lie though. They never had any intention of turning him into Bond.

There was no character development between the first and second movies. It only in Skyfall that he started to act more like Bond. But then SPECTRE went right back to having him be Quantum of Solace Bond.

They fucked up Quantum of Solace but there's a reason Casino Royale ends with Bond finally saying his catch phrase followed by the first reboot rendition of the Bond theme.

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ultimate reaver posted...

i dont get craig bond in general

what's to get, it's bond in the 21st century which is a contradiction.

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CR and Skyfall are top-tier Bond films with competent filmmaking/storytelling. QoS starts of on the wrong foot but improves as it goes on. Spectre starts off on the right foot then turns into a heap of meh.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Bond has always fought loads of enemies with big guns and one-liners though. Thats as much of his character as the tuxedos and gadgets.

No, they aren't. They're scnes faire.

Fighting the bad guys is not a character trait. It's inherent to the action genre. What makes a character who they are is what makes them unique from their peers. In Bond's case, his identity is in his playboy nature. It's the thing which separates him from action characters like John Wick, Jason Bourne, John Rambo, etc.

When they leave that at the door, Bond becomes just another action hero with a gun. If the Daniel Craig series is so great, why has Bond struggled to remain relevant? How come his version doesn't receive the same parodies as older interpretations of 007? They're fighting against the underlining appeal of the character and they're fighting a losing battle in doing so.

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