Board 8 > Super Mario 3D All-Stars review zone

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MawiIe posted...

I've played super mario 64 so many times and this was the day I learned that the only way to make the water raise to the proper level in wet dry world is to jump high into the painting.

Toad tells you this fwiw

Oh snap I'd completely forgotten Mario in 64 says "I'm tired" and goes to sleep when idle, snores for a while, starts talking about pasta in his sleep

That was a blast from the past for sure

ah spaghetti
ah ravioli

ahhh mama mia

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It's just...stuck there. Lol. That doesn't seem right

Oh wtf it moved while I wasn't looking...but...it's still stuck? Lol I wish I'd been watching when that happened

SM64 beated.

I missed the final Bowser throw legitimately like 12 times and had 2 HP left, it was so artificially intense lol

Fwiw I had been drinking beer for a couple hours

I like how Mario 35 is on the screen to the right

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turbopuns3 posted...

Oh wtf it moved while I wasn't looking...but...it's still stuck? Lol I wish I'd been watching when that happened

It only moves when youre not looking.


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Up to 105 stars now, just have all the 100 coins stars to go (I did that on purpose, for no real reason tbh)

Also, Wiggler calls Mario linguini breath when they're fighting LOL

That's also where I am in Galaxy

taking this one a lot slower than the first 2 games but it hasn't been as good as I remember because I think I was actually remembering Galaxy 2

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After you defeat him, Wiggler invites you to come back and visit any time. That got me thinking and now I want a game set in this same rendition of Peach's castle in which you revisit all the painting worlds, and there's no Bowser terrorizing everyone but each painting has its own subplot thing going on. With more fleshed out friendly NPCs.

From the bedroom onward, the Galaxy levels are really really good imho

I just now finished 120 starring 64. Started with it, just beating it, and finished with it upon completion. That was a fun trip down memory lane. I've now 100%ed all three games, yay. Well, not counting the Luigi run of Galaxy. I love that game enough I won't be surprised if I do a Luigi playthrough in the next couple months.

but man I want to play Galaxy 2 again bad with pretty resolution

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Just did 120 shines in Sunshine, boy you really don't get much for that huh. Like sure getting 99 lives in 64 is pointless but at least you get to see Yoshi and get a nice little message. And it's way less annoying getting 120 stars in 64.

I guess I'll move on to playing Galaxy for the first time soon.

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shiny triple jump is the real reward for 120 stars in 64 just sayin

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MawiIe posted...

you can't open the cannon without the top level of water though.

This isn't accurate by the way. I know, I already chimed in on this before by mentioning Toad tells you about jumping high into the painting. I refrained from saying anything else at the time because I hadn't reached WDW yet myself in this playthrough and I don't have specific memories of the worlds beyond the main floor.

But anyway. Yeah if you just raise the water to the highest point that can be done via the little pyramid switch things, you can then go over to where the Bob-omb Buddy is and jump right up to him from the floating platform.

StartTheMachine posted...

shiny triple jump is the real reward for 120 stars in 64 just sayin

I didn't even know this was a thing until recently. Kinda blew my mind.

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Started doing the 100s in SM64 last night, got through 5/15, gonna finish up tonight and then maybe start my first playthrough of Sunshine oh man only 18 years late let's go

120 get

Man, what a fantastic video game. It's wild how despite it being made in 1996 and (basically) the very first of its kind, it's still just flat out fun to play. Like, the fact that just aimlessly running and jumping around the world feels good is a testament to how much of a home run it truly was in its day.

It's not perfect but damn. If you have to point to like, a few very specific stars or areas where the camera is annoying just to be able to bash it, that's pretty amazing given all the other context.

Starting up Sunshine first playthrough now!

Watch if you want :)

twitch.tv/bosshogre

I've just never been able to get over 64's slippery feel. It just has never felt great to me.

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prepare yourself for full-blown voice acting in a Mario game and the ditziest Peach ever

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Waluigi1 posted...

I've just never been able to get over 64's slippery feel. It just has never felt great to me.

Man I almost wanted this fixed even more than the insufferable camera. Sunshine (and onward) by contrast is so tight. Mario actually moves where I want him to move on small platforms and narrow ledges and isn't crippled by slopes the true villain in SM64 and inevitably sent to his death.

It's like comparing SMB 1 physics to SMB 3.

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I just 120'd both and Sunshine feels slippier to me than 64, different strokes for different folks!

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Hmmm. They both feel great to control in wide open areas, it's just tight spaces where you don't have much room to move that Mario turns on a dime in Sunshine. In 64 you have to tap gently a few times to get him to even turn around without falling off a ledge. Like, I feel like those FLUDD-less levels would be impossible with 64 physics. But yeah, different strokes.

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Yeah, I had forgotten how much Mario feels like a tank when trying to carefully turn around in 64.

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I just 120'd both and Sunshine feels slippier to me than 64, different strokes for different folks!

See I just have no idea how it could feel so different folks lol. Like going straight from 64 to Sunshine, I'm like whew God it feels so much better lol.

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I mean yeah in very tight spaces you have to be careful but like, you do adjust to it after you die a couple times right? Maybe it's difficult for me to fairly imagine since I first played the game when I was so young. But like. Even this playthrough in 2020, after not playing SM64 since...well, hell probably since the DS version came out, for the first 30-60 minutes I went through an adjustment period. But then I just knew how to handle Mario. I'm not defending the controls moreso I just feel like the criticisms are overly harsh considering what their content is. You get a feel for the pace and momentum and then it's fine.

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StartTheMachine posted...

prepare yourself for full-blown voice acting in a Mario game and the ditziest Peach ever

I legitimately had no clue sunshine had so much voice acting. Kind of a wild experience for me in 2020 because 2002 feels like ancient history.

Impressions after 2 hours:

-story is so goofy, I enjoy it
-spin jump is fantastic I just want to do it over and over
-wish I could gain more height via hover, or at least gain height more quickly
-infinite belly sliding/hopping without ever using legs or arms is hilarious
-why do you insist on making me kill the same paint covered piranha plant a thousand times I don't get it
-aiming the spray feels a little...off. I don't know how else to say it. Like it's not quite perfectly calibrated with what I expect, or something
-the world feels pretty alive which is fun

Ahhh you already know about the spin jump. Don't think I knew about that at all on first playthrough, but this collection does have those helpful action guides! Some other movement mechanic advice:

- Spray some water then dive to go reaaaally fast. (Might be covered in the control guide also.) Best way to get around without -- or hell even with sometimes -- the turbo nozzle. And it's just fun.
- I almost never used the R aiming; it is bad. Instead click in the right control stick to go to an over the shoulder perspective. Aiming is infinitely better this way.
- You can also spin on the way down from a jump in midair to slow your descent, though I've found no practical use for this since the hover nozzle exists. But hey, maybe in the FLUDD-less levels.

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yeah get used to the same bosses over and over in Sunshine

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turbopuns3 posted...

aiming the spray feels a little...off. I don't know how else to say it. Like it's not quite perfectly calibrated with what I expect, or something

Its because IT SHOULD BE INVERTED
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Definitely not that! I've never used inverted controls when given the option

You want to look up? Press up. Gee, how logical! I'm not a pilot, I'm a GAMER bro

On a related note, however, I found it interesting how the SM64 camera controls were explained in terms like "pull back on the R stick" as opposed to the typical way of just having a little control stick icon with the down direction highlighted or whatever

turbopuns3 posted...

Definitely not that! I've never used inverted controls when given the option

You want to look up? Press up. Gee, how logical! I'm not a pilot, I'm a GAMER bro

There is no such thing as up or down on a controller. Its forward and back.

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Wanna look up? Press back.

Idk

Like you say there is no up but if I said to press up on the control stick 99.99% of people would do the correct input. So I think there kind of is an up

turbopuns3 posted...

Wanna look up? Press back.

Idk

Wanna look up in real life? Tilt your head back
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When I am aiming I am thinking about moving the crosshair on the screen (or imagined crosshair if it's not visible), not the muscles in Mario's neck

Jakyl25 posted...

Wanna look up in real life? Tilt your head back

Exactly.

When used for rotational (vice translational) input, forward/back correspond to rotation around the y-axis. Forward for down and back for up mimics the actual rotation one would use in the real world to achieve the desired effect.

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Well we've done a nice job of illustrating why it's configurable most of the time

redrocket posted...

There is no such thing as up or down on a controller. Its forward and back.

You must have different controllers than I do...

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Waluigi1 posted...

You must have different controllers than I do...

When you are using your controller to control Marios movement, does pushing up cause him to take off and fly through the air, or does it cause him to walk/run forward?

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redrocket posted...

When you are using your controller to control Marios movement, does pushing up cause him to take off and fly through the air, or does it cause him to walk/run forward?

I mean it's just a difference of 3D vs 2D, and how you conceptualize the task at hand (i.e. "tilt your head back" vs "make the crosshair go higher")

When you're moving a cursor on a menu with a list of options, it's obviously "up" and not "forward"

No new ground is going to be broken here haha

Pressing "up" on the stick makes my character walk forward.

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In real life, the crosshair of a gun is fixed to the gun itself. Aiming a gun up or down in real life is still a y-axis rotation.

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When someone says "up" or "forward," you know what they mean, so we're just arguing semantics on this one.

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I always hold my controllers vertically so that the face points toward me, not the ceiling, so it literally is "up" not "forward"

/s

Yeah I have to own this one and apologize for the derail. I wasn't really thinking about the consequences of my absent minded shitposting

redrocket posted...

In real life, the crosshair of a gun is fixed to the gun itself. Aiming a gun up or down in real life is still a y-axis rotation.

Don't you mean aiming a gun forward or back?

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Except if you're playing a 2D game, forward and up would be reversed. Think of Smash. Forward air is attacking while pressing right on the control stick and up air is attacking while pressing up on the control stick. Using up, down, left, and right I'd wager is less confusing for most people no matter what. A control stick has directions just like a D-pad, and generally, you're looking down at a controller. But yeah, it's also obvious if you say "go forward" in a 3D game what direction you should push.

but uhh how did we get here and have you tried clicking IN the right stick to aim in Sunshine yet

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StartTheMachine posted...

have you tried clicking IN the right stick to aim in Sunshine yet

I haven't played since that was pointed out but it seems like just the thing for me!