Poll of the Day > Disney Admits Mulan Controversy Has Created a "Lot of Issues for Us"

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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/09/disney-mulan-controversy-issues

Wtf Disney. Nothing smarter than thanking the people who run the muslim internment camps... /s

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Hard to keep it secret when you come out of the closet with jizz-stains on your cocktail dress and "Winnie the Pooh" following you out as he zips up his pants.

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the movie would've been better if they didn't turn it into a women's empowerment video, they removed the struggle, and eddie murphy, ok?

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I really hope they learn from this and not try to make a live-action Pocahontas movie.

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The crazy part is that China got mad at Disney because the film drew attention to the camps. Talk about backfiring.

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

I really hope they learn from this and not try to make a live-action Pocahontas movie.

I can only fucking imagine how "both sides" the movie would go down lmao

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ClarkDuke posted...

the movie would've been better if they didn't turn it into a women's empowerment video, they removed the struggle, and eddie murphy, ok?

I've seen the argument the cartoon was actually more women's empowerment anyway. Apparently instead of a normal woman who uses her brains to make up for areas she's behind in she's got magic or something now? So instead of if you put your mind to it and use the tools you have you can succeed we now have if you have magic you can be strong.

So from what I hear it fails on that front too...

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I've seen the argument the cartoon was actually more women's empowerment anyway. Apparently instead of a normal woman who uses her brains to make up for areas she's behind in she's got magic or something now? So instead of if you put your mind to it and use the tools you have you can succeed we now have if you have magic you can be strong.

So from what I hear it fails on that front too...

I just think they were trying to create a film that was completely different from the original, while simultaneously using references to the original as a nostalgia tool. Which backfired, obviously.

The film isn't horrible ( ) and I don't really care that they changed things from the original (and I'm tired that almost every criticism of the film circles back to things they changed), but their whole PR for it was horrid.

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they arent really admitting anything

just recognizing that some people got upset with what they did and trying to defend their actions

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I may not like the live action film all that much and believe the original is way better but I also think a lot of folk are snowflakes these days.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I just think they were trying to create a film that was completely different from the original, while simultaneously using references to the original as a nostalgia tool. Which backfired, obviously.

The film isn't horrible ( ) and I don't really care that they changed things from the original (and I'm tired that almost every criticism of the film circles back to things they changed), but their whole PR for it was horrid.

Oh that's fair, I'm just saying that the whole women's empowerment thing apparently got smashed to bits, so the thought that that was something that ruined it is weird to me.

My sister said it was a fine enough movie?

Blightzkrieg posted...

I just think they were trying to create a film that was completely different from the original, while simultaneously using references to the original as a nostalgia tool. Which backfired, obviously.

The film isn't horrible ( ) and I don't really care that they changed things from the original (and I'm tired that almost every criticism of the film circles back to things they changed), but their whole PR for it was horrid.

Those are completely valid criticisms.
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Guess it would have been better to never make the movie.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Wtf Disney. Nothing smarter than thanking the people who run the muslim internment camps... /s

When I first heard about that I honestly didn't believe it. It's so absurd that I didn't think it was true.

China 100% has some serious dirt on someone high up in Disney. I can see why they'd appeal to Chinese consumers () but thanking the Chinese Communist Party for providing security as they'd filmed down the road from a genocide camp is some next level fucked up shit. There's more than money involved there.

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Revelation34 posted...

Those are completely valid criticisms.

"This movie is not this other movie" is about as far from a valid criticism as you can get.

It's both objectively true and remarkably non relevant.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

I've seen the argument the cartoon was actually more women's empowerment anyway. Apparently instead of a normal woman who uses her brains to make up for areas she's behind in she's got magic or something now? So instead of if you put your mind to it and use the tools you have you can succeed we now have if you have magic you can be strong.

So from what I hear it fails on that front too...

my take on the movie is that it's about the suppression of the talent and skills the woman had in order to fit into society, and she was only able to truly be herself and realize her potential when she accepted her talents and skills and put them on display rather than hide from them and hide them from society in order to meet their expectations.

it IS a feminist story, but a different one from the one told in the original (which was more along the lines of "a woman who is working hard can be just as good, or even better than men if she's given the opportunity").

Blightzkrieg posted...

"This movie is not this other movie" is about as far from a valid criticism as you can get.

It's both objectively true and remarkably non relevant.

So that means you also liked the FF7 "remake".
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I didn't take issue with it. It had generally positive reception so you're kind of kneecapping your own point.

Regardless Mulan isn't a remake of the animated version any more than the Rock's Hercules is a remake of Disney's Hercules. They're different stories inspired by the same legend.

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Revelation34 posted...

So that means you also liked the FF7 "remake".

Yeah it was fantastic

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Fam_Fam posted...

my take on the movie is that it's about the suppression of the talent and skills the woman had in order to fit into society, and she was only able to truly be herself and realize her potential when she accepted her talents and skills and put them on display rather than hide from them and hide them from society in order to meet their expectations.

it IS a feminist story, but a different one from the one told in the original (which was more along the lines of "a woman who is working hard can be just as good, or even better than men if she's given the opportunity").

That's a fair take, and something I hadn't considered. Thanks!

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

I really hope they learn from this and not try to make a live-action Pocahontas movie.

I remember there being rumors of that, but I don't think Disney is insane enough to try that unless they take a very hard turn on it and have a historically accurate portrayal, and even that is a hard sell.

Fam_Fam posted...

my take on the movie is that it's about the suppression of the talent and skills the woman had in order to fit into society, and she was only able to truly be herself and realize her potential when she accepted her talents and skills and put them on display rather than hide from them and hide them from society in order to meet their expectations.

it IS a feminist story, but a different one from the one told in the original (which was more along the lines of "a woman who is working hard can be just as good, or even better than men if she's given the opportunity").

In the original Mulan the character had an arc. In this one shes just kinda good at everything but she can only go super saiyan after she admits she has boobs.

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I do find it interesting that this film is being attacked both from the Left and the Right, and completely justifiably so. That doesn't happen all that often.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZccG-wtt5FA
So far that is my favorite scathing review, but I'm thinking of doing my own, tbh. Can't do it right away, though; I have to work a lot.

ClarkDuke posted...

the movie would've been better if they didn't turn it into a women's empowerment video, they removed the struggle, and eddie murphy, ok?

The original IS a women's empowerment story, as is the original ballad and its variations. Removing the struggle doesn't magically make it somehow more empowering, and blaming this on anything other than shitty writing inspired by vapid superhero movies is ridiculous. The new Mulan is outright regressive in its messaging.

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I'm wary of watching movie reviews on YouTube now cause it ends up filling my suggested videos with a bunch of anti feminist guff

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I'm wary of watching movie reviews on YouTube now cause it ends up filling my suggested videos with a bunch of anti feminist guff

Lol, that's true. There was another review of the film I liked that focused on the film's shoddy editing but I can't remember which one it was, and I'm not willing to sift through the videos that mostly consisted of guys bitching about how SJWs ruin everything even though the original Mulan was way more progressive than the 2020 one, lol.

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Smarkil posted...

In the original Mulan the character had an arc. In this one shes just kinda good at everything but she can only go super saiyan after she admits she has boobs.

there was *some* development in between when she arrived the camp and was mediocre while hiding her skills (A learned trait, that didn't even apply to her circumstance where people thought she was a man), and when it occurred to her that she could be successful when she embraced in inner strength, which was to the benefit of everyone. and her fears about being an outcast ultimately were pushed to the side once people realized that she was not a "witch", but instead a leader who was worthy of the highest promotion possible (working work the emperor). this all happened because she was willing to use the powers that she was hiding within herself.

Gaawa_chan posted...

I do find it interesting that this film is being attacked both from the Left and the Right, and completely justifiably so. That doesn't happen all that often.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZccG-wtt5FA
So far that is my favorite scathing review, but I'm thinking of doing my own, tbh. Can't do it right away, though; I have to work a lot.

The original IS a women's empowerment story, as is the original ballad and its variations. Removing the struggle doesn't magically make it somehow more empowering, and blaming this on anything other than shitty writing inspired by vapid superhero movies is ridiculous. The new Mulan is outright regressive in its messaging.

it became more of an inner struggle than an outer one. it's more subtle, but it's there for sure. there's a lot of power in it, and a lot of women could benefit from this type of self-acceptance (my talented and smart gf, who suffers from self-confIdence issues in spite of being a Fulbright scholar and having had a 4.0 GPA, appreciates this). its a different type of growth that I think that many men cannot fully understand, as it simply isn't applicable to them.

Blightzkrieg posted...

I'm wary of watching movie reviews on YouTube now cause it ends up filling my suggested videos with a bunch of anti feminist guff

considering most modern feminism is about hating men and wanting more, not equal, I don't see that as inherently bad
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I must be completely tone deaf here, what am I missing? Because I dont see any issue with the movie or them acknowledging that the local authority gave them permission to film in the area..........?

seems like theyre lumping in a number of separate issues here that have nothing to do with one another ......

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FatalAccident posted...

I must be completely tone deaf here, what am I missing? Because I dont see any issue with the movie or them acknowledging that the local authority gave them permission to film in the area..........?

seems like theyre lumping in a number of separate issues here that have nothing to do with one another ......

I have seen people compare it to if Disney was filming a movie in the 1940s, outside of Auschwitz and thanking Nazi Germany for allowing them to film there.

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Ogurisama posted...

I have seen people compare it to if Disney was filming a movie in the 1940s, outside of Auschwitz and thanking Nazi Germany for allowing them to film there.

Those people sound like morons. I assume they're on Twitter.
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Ogurisama posted...

I have seen people compare it to if Disney was filming a movie in the 1940s, outside of Auschwitz and thanking Nazi Germany for allowing them to film there.

Sounds like Zeus level thinking. But he would prolly argue the Auschwitz officials were grossly misrepresented by Allied propaganda.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And people think Trump is the fascist.

But of course.

He talked to Xi Jiping about his concentration camps and gave his approval.

He wishes he could do the same thing with his concentration camps too.
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Revelation34 posted...

Those people sound like morons. I assume they're on Twitter.

its an apt comparison

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Mead posted...

its an apt comparison

https://youtube.com/watch?v=prw2B_03IzY
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