Current Events > Why does CE hate landlords?

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I think financing the original construction is a huge percent of rent for new developments. It's why it's hard to create 'affordable housing' - most affordable rentals are old and have 'filtered down'

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https://apps.urban.org/features/cost-of-affordable-housing/

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By the time you finance a new construction for affordable housing in like 5-10 years the places requires typical maintenance and if the rent money can't cover those then most of those places have like ceiling tiles falling down or something along with other issues. Those people expect things to be done for free through charity work.

Personally the people living there should be given the material and they can fix stuff themself, but wait they don't wanna...

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Tenlaar posted...

It depends on the specific circumstance of an individual situation, but I didn't think I needed to specifically note the continual upkeep cost of homes compared to other goods. Unlike food and clothing, there isn't really a point where it stops taking money to "produce housing" even when the house has already been built and the initial construction costs paid.

The labor used to upkeep housing should be compensated.

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Shablagoo posted...

The labor used to upkeep housing should be compensated.

Your brokenness is not an excuse for wokeness

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Even my landlords that seemed nice at first ended up being shitty people. Their was some scratches on the floor and I had a friend who could easily fixed that, but he absolutely wanted us to pay his friends like $600 to fix that. My friend still ended up doing it and he wanted our receipt even though my friend did it for like $40. I got another one who threw a tantrum when I left my appartment because I had a few things left in my appartment at noon.


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You're suppose to take all your stuff and clean up the place before you move out. I've vacuumed and swept the place after all my stuff is out. If you signed paperwork all this should be mentioned...oh wait some don't even read what they are signing...

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Coloradough posted...

I own a building... You can use it if you pay me. This seems like a very simple concept, like a hotel.

What am I missing

You were doing good until you got to the pay part.

Also, when it comes to running a business theres a lot of people on the internet that think you can just give everything away for free and youll be fine. Its wild.

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The average person on the internet doesn't know anything. Cost of running a business along with insurance or benefits isn't cheap.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

You're suppose to take all your stuff and clean up the place before you move out. I've vacuumed and swept the place after all my stuff is out. If you signed paperwork all this should be mentioned...oh wait some don't even read what they are signing...

Tenlaar posted...

It depends on the specific circumstance of an individual situation, but I didn't think I needed to specifically note the continual upkeep cost of homes compared to other goods. Unlike food and clothing, there isn't really a point where it stops taking money to "produce housing" even when the house has already been built and the initial construction costs paid.

Okay, so materials and labor for repairs and maintenance I agree, and that should be compensated.

But is that all of rent, though?

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Also factor in legally speaking landlords are responsible for cutting grass and snow removal and will hire a company that is insured to do the job cause they don't wanna be sued. So higher rent at times is required to cover that cost. It adds up. This is way generally someone renting only a house who isn't a corporation or something will charge less. Worse case they get sued and it fucks them up royally.

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Because they are shitty more often than not.

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I'm still not seeing the argument honestly

Kind of seems like the argument is "because they make more money than me and they're in charge"

Does CE hate bosses?
Is universal housing a common opinion among the youth these days? Seems difficult to implement that -- who gets to live where? Who does maintenance?

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because they never fix things they are supposed to

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They profit off of the basic human need of shelter. They are worse than something like grocery stores because culturally and as humans we desire permanent living spaces but landlording leaves our ability to afford to live in our own home to the whims of the market and the landlord. Landlords are incentivized by their profit motive to raise the value of their properties and raise rents, thus pushing the impoverished out of their childhood homes and forcing them to areas with less economic opportunity. For-profit housing and landlording can therefore be seen as a direct influence perpetuating socioeconomic inequality.

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NeoBowser posted...

because they never fix things they are supposed to

Most do, but I agree I cannot stand the lazy ones who won't even replace like the shingles or a broken fridge.

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Doe posted...

They profit off of the basic human need of shelter.

So build your own house.

Coloradough posted...

I'm still not seeing the argument honestly

Kind of seems like the argument is "because they make more money than me and they're in charge"

Does CE hate bosses?
Is universal housing a common opinion among the youth these days? Seems difficult to implement that -- who gets to live where? Who does maintenance?

I don't hate all landlords, but I definitely hate the one who tried to charge me $500 and did not want to let my friend repair the thing in my appartment.


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@Broseph_Stalin posted...

So build your own house.

Congratulations on publishing your stupidest post yet.


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Doe posted...

Congratulations on publishing your stupidest post yet.

It's an honest suggestion.

You don't think scarcity applies to something you consider a basic right, so just build one yourself.

I dont have a problem with landlords in general, but I do have a problem with my landlord. That being said, I also dont like people who own tons of buildings just to rent them out. Or like slumlords... Or the lying pieces of shot who worked in the office of the other place I lived...
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The issue I have with landlords are short term investments so they sell to someone else and of course the next person raises the rent each year. My sister rents a bachelor condo in Toronto and her rent goes up each year and in like 2-3 years the owner of the pad sells to someone else. No different than a group of shareholders buying a small company and draining it to make money back then selling it to someone else. Eventually the company goes bankrupt or they have to like move it to Mexico. Sad really.

Being a smaller business or landlord you have the ability not to be greedy and raise rent each year just cause the going rate changed in your area long as you're still making a good return.

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Musourenka posted...

Okay, so materials and labor for repairs and maintenance I agree, and that should be compensated.

But is that all of rent, though?

the answer is a resounding No.


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Austin_Era_II posted...

Also factor in legally speaking landlords are responsible for cutting grass and snow removal and will hire a company that is insured to do the job cause they don't wanna be sued. So higher rent at times is required to cover that cost. It adds up. This is way generally someone renting only a house who isn't a corporation or something will charge less. Worse case they get sued and it fucks them up royally.

even when incorporating snow removal, the answer to this:

Musourenka posted...

But is that all of rent, though?

is No

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epik_fail1 posted...

Even my landlords that seemed nice at first ended up being shitty people. Their was some scratches on the floor and I had a friend who could easily fixed that, but he absolutely wanted us to pay his friends like $600 to fix that. My friend still ended up doing it and he wanted our receipt even though my friend did it for like $40. I got another one who threw a tantrum when I left my appartment because I had a few things left in my appartment at noon.

If you ever have friend's do work on your place have them print off a fake invoice with a "normal" price for the service on it.

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Because many people on CE are communist weather they admit it or not, who despise private ownership, wealthy people, and capitalism in general while hiding behind some sorts bullehit noble reasoning. But in reality just want free shit.

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It's not the old days any more grampa being a leftist is cool

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Prismsblade posted...

Because many people on CE are communist weather they admit it or not, who despise private ownership, wealthy people, and capitalism in general while hiding behind some sorts bullehit noble reasoning. But in reality just want free shit.

They think they are entitled to stuff <_<

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Tenlaar posted...

TIL: it doesn't take labor to produce housing.

I mean, does it. They (the landlord) just bought and it are now renting it. They paid for the labor when they bought it. But I dont really think its that much labor to rent it out... They do usually fix problems at no cost to you if something breaks. But they could also put that on you... That being said, the rent I pay could have paid for everything landlord did like many times over. Not to mention, she usually gets the work done for cheap, or even free...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

So build your own house.

They cant. They dont have any landlord. Landlords bought it all. They can build a house if They had the land to do so. But when the landlords buy up all the land, theres nothing you can do...
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M_Live posted...

I pay the majority of my landlord's mortgage, but I need a place to live. My biggest issue is how grossly overpriced renting can be where I live.

If the landlord's mortgage is a greater rate than you are paying for rent, your rent is cheap. In my areas, rent is way more expensive than a mortgage payment. One of my wife's friends who recently passed took advantage of this and became very wealthy. When she died, she had over 100 properties. She was also a philanthropist, fully funding our boys and girls clubs, football teams, local churches, and spent around $100k to help disadvantaged kids at Christmas time. Some years, she didn't charge rent in December.

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"Look at these entitled commoners, who expect a place to live" - someone who's brain definitely isn't poisoned by capitalism

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Butterfiles posted...

"Look at these entitled commoners, who expect a place to live" - someone who's brain definitely isn't poisoned by capitalism

"I'm entitled to the money and labor of other people without compensation" will never be the woke take you think it is.

Buy land and build a small house.

You can get land for under $50K in North America. Then live off the grid and be happy.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Buy land and build a small house.

You can get land for under $50K in North America. Then live off the grid and be happy.

But, but slaves to banks on incredibly low interest mortgage!

I think the best solution is to make high rise $500k condos section 8.


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Prismsblade posted...

Because many people on CE are communist weather they admit it or not, who despise private ownership, wealthy people, and capitalism in general while hiding behind some sorts bullehit noble reasoning. But in reality just want free shit.

That's a bit extreme but I get what you're saying. There needs to be a balance in all this for sure.

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Prismsblade posted...

Because many people on CE are communist weather they admit it or not, who despise private ownership, wealthy people, and capitalism in general while hiding behind some sorts bullehit noble reasoning. But in reality just want free shit.

Shablagoo posted...

The most hilarious part is capitalism was never intended to have landlords around. It's been qualified as rent-seeking and parasitic since Adam Smith, and continues to be accurately viewed as corrosive to the economy by economists today. When even capitalist cheerleaders are calling your s*** exploitative, it says something.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

They think they are entitled to stuff <_<

I think everyone should be entitled to basic food, water, clothing, and housing.


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Musourenka posted...

I think everyone should be entitled to basic food, water, clothing, and housing.

What you meant to say is that you feel entitled to the labor of people who produce such things.

Let's just cut to the chase anyway, I fuckin hate everybody

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Musourenka posted...

I think everyone should be entitled to basic food, water, clothing, and housing.

And I believe they are. If you can't afford those things then don't social workers who work for the city/town help you out on these things for free?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

And I believe they are. If you can't afford those things then don't social workers who work for the city/town help you out on these things for free?

Not really? Most shelters have waiting lists bro

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Doe posted...

@
Congratulations on publishing your stupidest post yet.

Funnily, hes one-upped himself in each subsequent post ITT, somehow.

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Exploit? You mean like how Nike does with Asian workers overseas? Paying them the bare minimum? Or do you mean exploit like McDs not enforcing franchisers to pay more than min wage to workers? The world runs on exploiting. Some do more so than others.

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because they come unannounced and use their key if you don't answer the door. utter pieces of shit

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

And I believe they are. If you can't afford those things then don't social workers who work for the city/town help you out on these things for free?

Housing First initiatives across the country have been very successful:

At that conference, a founder of the Housing First philosophy, Sam Tsemberis, told him that chronically homeless people cost the government a lot of money when they're living on the street, because of services like emergency room visits and jail time.

HUD estimates that annual cost as between $30,000 and $50,000 per person.

Housing them simply costs a lot less.

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chronic-homelessness-by-91-percent-heres-how

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Exploit? You mean like how Nike does with Asian workers overseas? Paying them the bare minimum? Or do you mean exploit like McDs not enforcing franchisers to pay more than min wage to workers? The world runs on exploiting. Some do more so than others.

Your bold move here is to say being a landlord is better than being an admittedly exploitative multinational corporation?

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If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more. Otherwise stay small and average.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

What you meant to say is that you feel entitled to the labor of people who produce such things.

No. I feel entitled to the extra profit property companies and food companies pocket, though. Likewise I feel entitled to nonworker shareholders' earnings.


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