Current Events > You ever heard of the "Yuba County 5"? Pretty tragic story

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Balrog0
09/02/20 12:35:30 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five

Basically, a group of men with (not well-diagnosed but fairly high functioning) developmental and mental disorders went to a basketball game two towns over in northern California and ended up missing. Their car was found fairly soon after their disappearance but it was WAY out of the way -- at the snowline in the mountains of a national forest thousands of feet in elevation and miles away from any where they should have been going. The car was in working condition and had enough gas to get back home (or close enough to it). There were no apparent signs of a struggle.

The search parties never initially found their bodies. A few months later a group of bikers stopped at a national parks service trailer campground -- about 15-20 miles from the car -- and found a dead body, Ted, wrapped in sheets on the bed, with a melted candle on the bedside table. 36 cans of rations had been eaten, but none of the warmer clothes in the trailer had been used, and there were more food supplies that had been untouched. Ted had lost 80 pounds and based on beard growth may have survived for 4-13 weeks after being lost. Three of the others were found fairly nearby -- Jack Huett was a couple miles from the trailer, while Jack Madroga and Bill were found on opposite sides of the road about 5-10 miles back. The shoes of the fifth man, Gary, were found near Ted's body and Ted's own shoes were missing. Gary's body was never found.

The reason they weren't initially found is that these campgrounds were uphill and farther into the wilderness and there had been snowfall. No one had assumed the young men would have gotten out of their car and trekked forward into the wilderness blindly. They hated the outdoors. This is unusual behavior for people who are lost - usually people wander in circles or go back to where they came from. And remember, they were prepared for late February weather in Northern California - that's not that cold unless you go up into the damn mountains. I walk pretty fast and I can cover about 2 miles in 30 minutes and then my pace will fall off -- and thats on totally flat and paved terrain. These guys went 10+ miles uphill in the snow.

In addition to the obvious strangeness of the story a few other things stick out:
-Gary was newer to the crew and the only one to not be considered mentally challenged. Jack Madroga wasn't formally diagnosed, but was a "slow learner" and the other men had various challenges functioning. Gary was schizophrenic and had some history of violence.
-The only reason anyone could come up with for why the boys ended up where they were is that Gary had a friend in a nearby town. Investigators figure they were going there but missed a turn in the dark.
-The guy who had a heart attack and (Maybe?) saw them supposedly said some things that the police were able to verify, and thus was taken seriously. But his story changed a few times and he never really claimed to be reliable, so its weird it was taken so seriously imo


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Thompson
09/02/20 12:41:48 PM
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These guys had an episode on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg5bgVyr01A

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Balrog0
09/02/20 12:53:53 PM
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Nice. Ive been wanting to hear more about the case, there's not much out there
What are some other odd unsolved mysteries?

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Balrog0
09/02/20 1:13:12 PM
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Oh yeah that reminds me another weird wrinkle
About three weeks after their disappearance, an anonymous caller made a series of calls over three days where he said he knows where the boys are, that he hurt them, and then that they were all dead. That caller was never heard from again. The reason I think that's noteworthy is that this arguably lines up with Ted's death; although most national sources quote the timeline of his death at something like 8-13 weeks after their disappearance, the comment according to local sources said around 4 weeks.

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Balrog0
09/02/20 2:35:48 PM
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Man I typed that all up for no reason
I'll just make my girlfriend talk to me about it

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Balrog0
09/02/20 7:57:02 PM
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She didn't wanna talk about it either fuck

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Powdered_Toast
09/02/20 10:43:44 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Oh yeah that reminds me another weird wrinkle
About three weeks after their disappearance, an anonymous caller made a series of calls over three days where he said he knows where the boys are, that he hurt them, and then that they were all dead. That caller was never heard from again. The reason I think that's noteworthy is that this arguably lines up with Ted's death; although most national sources quote the timeline of his death at something like 8-13 weeks after their disappearance, the comment according to local sources said around 4 weeks.
What's the source of that?

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Balrog0
09/02/20 10:53:05 PM
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Powdered_Toast posted...
What's the source of that?

The best and most well-sourced thing I could find on it was a podcast called compulsion: https://www.buzzsprout.com/934771/4757684-yuba-city-five-part-one


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BlingBling22947
09/04/20 6:49:43 AM
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TIL

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Balrog0
09/04/20 7:55:03 AM
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Heck yeah
I wish there was more out there. I saw on reddit someone claiming to be family of the deceased and people seem to believe them but Im skeptical

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Drpooplol
09/04/20 12:08:35 PM
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bump to read later

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Balrog0
09/05/20 9:43:59 AM
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I'm now very into true crime podcasts

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BlazinBlue88
09/05/20 10:08:12 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
I'm now very into true crime podcasts
Have you already been down this rabbit hole? There used to be a wiki page with a list of these unexplained cases. Had links to stuff like the yuba County 5, dB Cooper, the sodder children, Elisa lam, Somerton man, etc.

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Doe
09/05/20 10:10:08 AM
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Very interesting

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Balrog0
09/05/20 10:10:13 AM
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BlazinBlue88 posted...
Have you already been down this rabbit hole? There used to be a wiki page with a list of these unexplained cases. Had links to stuff like the yuba County 5, dB Cooper, the sodder children, Elisa lam, Somerton man, etc.

No I have not, hit me with the other ones I need to look into (other than those that I'm looking into now)

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BlazinBlue88
09/05/20 10:22:36 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
No I have not, hit me with the other ones I need to look into (other than those that I'm looking into now)
Oh boy. Yeah I love reading about this stuff. Most have detailed Wikipedia articles as well. Don't forget to search for hotel security camera video of the Elisa Lam stuff. It makes it extra weird. Think it's just on YouTube.

One of my favorites is the Hinterkaifeck farm murders.

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Drpooplol
09/05/20 10:59:57 AM
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another bump because I really do want to read this, but I'm just not in the mood yet >_>

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Balrog0
09/05/20 11:05:23 AM
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BlazinBlue88 posted...
Oh boy. Yeah I love reading about this stuff. Most have detailed Wikipedia articles as well. Don't forget to search for hotel security camera video of the Elisa Lam stuff. It makes it extra weird. Think it's just on YouTube.

One of my favorites is the Hinterkaifeck farm murders.

Heck yeah thanks dude. Definitely feel free to share more as you think of them

Drpooplol posted...
another bump because I really do want to read this, but I'm just not in the mood yet >_>

I really wanted to talk about it because it's not one with very much buzz online. Some of these more recent disappearances have a lot of internet detectives on the case but this one's so long ago that there's almost nothing there.

I also think the stigma around mental health issues really limited the investigation

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BlazinBlue88
09/05/20 12:40:19 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Heck yeah thanks dude. Definitely feel free to share more as you think of them
Yeah no problem man. I have 4-5 more swimming around in my head but don't remember the names. Need to Google to find them but I'll let you know when I figure them out.

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BatmanWTtP
09/05/20 12:42:56 PM
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Tag

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Romes187
09/05/20 12:55:18 PM
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The podcast stuff you should know has a few of these, specifically the story this topic is about

my favorite though, is the Adelaide man

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamam_Shud_case

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Romes187
09/05/20 12:55:44 PM
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The pass in Russia... cant remember... but that was a good one too
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Balrog0
09/05/20 1:26:55 PM
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Romes187 posted...
The pass in Russia... cant remember... but that was a good one too

Dyatlov ? That one seemed less mysterious than advertised imo but maybe I need to dig more

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Romes187
09/05/20 3:12:56 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Dyatlov ? That one seemed less mysterious than advertised imo but maybe I need to dig more

yeah not super mysterious but the stuff you should know podcast goes over some of the stranger elements of the story

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Romes187
09/05/20 3:14:14 PM
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Found a list on reddit of episodes from that podcast

The Mystery of the Grand Canyon Newlyweds, The Baffling Case of the Body On Somerton Beach, Kitty Genovese, Villisca Axe Murders, Hinterkaifeck Axe Murders, Sodder Children, (Approximately) 10 Things That Vanished Mysteriously, Lizzie Borden, Winchester Mystery House, What happened to the lost colony at Roanoke?, Donner Party, Jack the Ripper, Manson Family.

they did a good oak island one too
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Balrog0
09/05/20 3:20:51 PM
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Romes187 posted...
Found a list on reddit of episodes from that podcast

The Mystery of the Grand Canyon Newlyweds, The Baffling Case of the Body On Somerton Beach, Kitty Genovese, Villisca Axe Murders, Hinterkaifeck Axe Murders, Sodder Children, (Approximately) 10 Things That Vanished Mysteriously, Lizzie Borden, Winchester Mystery House, What happened to the lost colony at Roanoke?, Donner Party, Jack the Ripper, Manson Family.

they did a good oak island one too

What a badass man

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Balrog0
09/05/20 5:22:55 PM
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Something about these hosts is just kinda eh

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Romes187
09/05/20 5:25:40 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Something about these hosts is just kinda eh

:( ya know I kinda didnt like them at first but they have good chemistry imo could be a bad episode or maybe you just dont like the voice?

theyre good for the wife on commutes because she does t like getting into the weeds like I do, so its the right level of analysis for her on some topics
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King Rial
09/05/20 5:29:30 PM
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This kind of stuff creeps me out a bit. I don't like dwelling on them. But they are so strange and intriguing. And we almost never find out what really happened.

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Balrog0
09/05/20 6:19:24 PM
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Romes187 posted...
:( ya know I kinda didnt like them at first but they have good chemistry imo could be a bad episode or maybe you just dont like the voice?

theyre good for the wife on commutes because she does t like getting into the weeds like I do, so its the right level of analysis for her on some topics

I think it might just be their voices lool
I'm trying this grand canyon one though

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Romes187
09/05/20 6:23:35 PM
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That one I remember not being stellar

the somerton man one is really good
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Balrog0
09/05/20 6:48:07 PM
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I think it might just be the depth of the conversation. Trying out this one called 'trace evidence' on elisa lam

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Romes187
09/05/20 7:02:44 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
I think it might just be the depth of the conversation. Trying out this one called 'trace evidence' on elisa lam

gotcha
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Balrog0
09/05/20 7:44:39 PM
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I def appreciate the actual cases though. That adelaide man story is nuts

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BlazinBlue88
09/05/20 8:28:52 PM
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So TC, care to share your opinions on some of the things you are reading about?

Also found some of the cases I was thinking about earlier.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Tara_Calico
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Bittaker_and_Roy_Norris
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ben_Rhoades

Link 2 - the recording they made torturing their victim Shirley Ledford is used by the FBI to train and desensitize new recruits to the horror of murder. Think the recording is available online but I've never sought it out.
Link 3 - Google his victim Regina and you'll find pictures he took of her right before he murdered her.


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Balrog0
09/05/20 9:49:42 PM
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Sure I've mostly been listening to stuff in he background but I'll write a few things up when the mood strikes

Definitely appreciate the links too.

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Balrog0
09/06/20 8:49:47 PM
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Bump
Looking into the brianna maitland case atm, this one is interesting and I'll write up something about it when I get a chance

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