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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:01:32 PM
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Or at least not guilty of murder charges, which is an almost sure thing given the overwhelming evidence of self defense.
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pick4six
09/01/20 4:02:47 PM
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Strange definition of self defense...

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TheGoldenEel
09/01/20 4:02:51 PM
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question for other posters

does TC ever contribute anything of value to this board?

this and several recent posts make them seem like an obvious candidate for the ignore list

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lincoln002
09/01/20 4:03:29 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
question for other posters

does TC ever contribute anything of value to this board?

this and several recent posts make them seem like an obvious candidate for the ignore list

2020 aacount with 80 karma

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littlebro07
09/01/20 4:03:54 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
does TC ever contribute anything of value to this board?

no

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Unsugarized_Foo
09/01/20 4:04:29 PM
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At least a few

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:05:12 PM
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pick4six posted...
Strange definition of self defense...
Not really. First guy was blatantly being aggressive pursued when Rittenhouse fled, and grabbed his gun.

Second guy was part of a crowd chasing and threatening him, and had him on the ground attacking him with a skateboard.

Third guy is the only questionable one, Rittenhouse had cause to feel threatened but the guy was also approaching peacefully despite having a gun out, and Rittenhouse only shot to disarm him.

Regardless of how you spin it, no murder charges can be justified unless we get further evidence condemning him.
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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:05:50 PM
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lincoln002 posted...
2020 aacount with 80 karma
Bro I've been around these boards longer than 99% of the site
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TommyG663513
09/01/20 4:06:37 PM
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If you shoot one person while near a large crowd who will witness it then members of that crowd may try to stop you from doing further harm. You don't get to shoot them and claim self defense, because then you'd be committing a mass shooting.

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pick4six
09/01/20 4:06:56 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
Not really. First guy was blatantly being aggressive pursued when Rittenhouse fled, and grabbed his gun.

Second guy was part of a crowd chasing and threatening him, and had him on the ground attacking him with a skateboard.

Third guy is the only questionable one, Rittenhouse had cause to feel threatened but the guy was also approaching peacefully despite having a gun out, and Rittenhouse only shot to disarm him.

Regardless of how you spin it, no murder charges can be justified unless we get further evidence condemning him.


if that's what hte defense is going with then he's FUCKED lmao

His best chance is insanity defense

Sorry the truth hurts little Trumper

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MC_BatCommander
09/01/20 4:07:53 PM
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Didn't he travel across state lines to attend this thing? Dude went looking for a fight

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:08:01 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
If you shoot one person while near a large crowd who will witness it then members of that crowd may try to stop you from doing further harm. You don't get to shoot them and claim self defense, because then you'd be committing a mass shooting.
If you shoot one person in a justified, self defense shooting as appears to be the case here, you absolutely do have the right to defend yourself against the angry crowd, especially with reports that violent threats were shouted.
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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:09:04 PM
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pick4six posted...
if that's what hte defense is going with then he's FUCKED lmao

His best chance is insanity defense

Sorry the truth hurts little Trumper
By all means explain why. And I'm liberal, but try again there lol

MC_BatCommander posted...
Didn't he travel across state lines to attend this thing? Dude went looking for a fight
He did, but that doesn't remove his right to self defense.
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MC_BatCommander
09/01/20 4:09:45 PM
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Intent is important, he probably wanted someone to make a move so he could "defend himself"

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Kolibri X
09/01/20 4:09:52 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
Third guy is the only questionable one, Rittenhouse had cause to feel threatened but the guy was also approaching peacefully despite having a gun out, and Rittenhouse only shot to disarm him.
Nah. He was doing a false surrender. He grabbed for his gun as soon as he could. He later admitted to regretting not executing him sooner. It was self-defense all around and best of all it's on tape. He shouldn't have been arrested in the first place but with the political climate he had to be. He'll walk.

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BeyondWalls
09/01/20 4:11:55 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Didn't he travel across state lines to attend this thing? Dude went looking for a fight
Yes, but thats misleading since he basically lived at the state line. The people he shot lived further away than he did.

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:11:56 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Intent is important, he probably wanted someone to make a move so he could "defend himself"
Even if he did, he still has the right to self defense. You can take issue with the laws at that point, and I'd agree, but as written he is clearly in the right based on what we know.

Kolibri X posted...
Nah. He was doing a false surrender. He grabbed for his gun as soon as he could. He later admitted to regretting not executing him sooner. It was self-defense all around and best of all it's on tape. He shouldn't have been arrested in the first place but with the political climate he had to be. He'll walk.
He should've been arrested by police at the protest. The fact that he admitted it, surrendered, and they let him go is disgusting. Innocent or not, they need to at least detain him and investigate.
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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:30:43 PM
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ohiostate124
09/01/20 4:31:28 PM
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pick4six posted...
Strange definition of self defense...
Whats strange about it? Its pretty clear.
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Prismsblade
09/01/20 4:35:55 PM
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I still cant believe rioters were crazy enough to atk a man with a gun.

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where_money
09/01/20 4:36:57 PM
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The karma elitism lmao

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Fam_Fam
09/01/20 4:38:03 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
By all means explain why. And I'm liberal, but try again there lol

He did, but that doesn't remove his right to self defense.

what do you say you are a liberal?
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TommyG663513
09/01/20 4:38:36 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
If you shoot one person in a justified, self defense shooting as appears to be the case here, you absolutely do have the right to defend yourself against the angry crowd, especially with reports that violent threats were shouted.

So if the entire crowd turns on him then he can just shoot at will until there isn't anyone left to stop him from committing his mass shooting?

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:38:39 PM
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where_money posted...
The karma elitism lmao
It's standard here, always has been lol
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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 4:39:28 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
So if the entire crowd turns on him then he can just shoot at will until there isn't anyone left to stop him from committing his mass shooting?
He needs to try and flee, which he did. Other than that, as long as they're going after him, yes.
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ohiostate124
09/01/20 4:40:44 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
So if the entire crowd turns on him then he can just shoot at will until there isn't anyone left to stop him from committing his mass shooting?
He can defend himself
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Poop2
09/01/20 4:42:09 PM
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troll topic
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Zikten
09/01/20 4:50:54 PM
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autopsy report said one of the victims was shot in the back. not self defense.
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Zikten
09/01/20 4:51:32 PM
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and yea, he wanted a fight. he was a troll trying to get people to attack so he could kill people
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Tmaster148
09/01/20 4:54:03 PM
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Good old self defense where you travel away from your own property and intentionally put yourself in harm's way so you can kill someone.

I guess that means anyone could travel to anyone's house and shoot them and claim self defense.

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BeyondWalls
09/01/20 4:59:04 PM
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Zikten posted...
autopsy report said one of the victims was shot in the back. not self defense.
Citation?

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Zikten
09/01/20 5:05:48 PM
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https://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2020/08/27/autopsy-results-from-killings-by-white-vigilante-kyle-rittenhouse-show-massive-damage-to-bodies/

An autopsy found that Rosenbaum was shot five times in the right groin, back, left hand, left thigh and right side of his forehead, according to the complaint.
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StarReaper13
09/01/20 5:09:19 PM
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Zikten posted...
https://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2020/08/27/autopsy-results-from-killings-by-white-vigilante-kyle-rittenhouse-show-massive-damage-to-bodies/

Jesus christ

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 6:32:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
https://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2020/08/27/autopsy-results-from-killings-by-white-vigilante-kyle-rittenhouse-show-massive-damage-to-bodies/

Interesting, thanks for the report. I won't automatically say that means no self defense, but it is definitely evidence against it.
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MC_BatCommander
09/01/20 6:43:35 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
Even if he did, he still has the right to self defense.

Not necessarily. Depending on the state (I hardly am a law expert) it can vary quite a bit, but if someone goes seeking a fight then kills the people they provoked, self defense could be thrown out depending on the laws.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48

A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

So at the end of the day his intent will be what determines if self-defense was valid or not. He went out of his way to antagonize protesters and had a firearm that was illegal for him to possess... Seems like self-defense could be easily thrown out IMO. I'm not forming any opinions yet, gonna see what kind of info comes up in the case first.

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Irony
09/01/20 6:44:38 PM
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How long before this alt is gone?

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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 7:12:06 PM
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Irony posted...
How long before this alt is gone?
Not an alt and not going anywhere

MC_BatCommander posted...
So at the end of the day his intent will be what determines if self-defense was valid or not. He went out of his way to antagonize protesters and had a firearm that was illegal for him to possess... Seems like self-defense could be easily thrown out IMO. I'm not forming any opinions yet, gonna see what kind of info comes up in the case first
They'd still have to prove he provoked the fight.
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MC_BatCommander
09/01/20 7:21:19 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
They'd still have to prove he provoked the fight.

Obviously, what I'm saying is it's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

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TheOtherMike
09/01/20 7:24:39 PM
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Imagine thinking you can claim self-defense while brandishing a firearm (that you're carrying illegally and transported illegally across state lines) at people who you murder when they attempt to disarm you.
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StarReaper13
09/01/20 7:29:34 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
Imagine thinking you can claim self-defense while brandishing a firearm (that you're carrying illegally and transported illegally across state lines) at people who you murder when they attempt to disarm you.
B-b-but he said in a video that he was only coming there to defend businesses.

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ohiostate124
09/01/20 7:30:25 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
Imagine thinking you can claim self-defense while brandishing a firearm (that you're carrying illegally and transported illegally across state lines) at people who you murder when they attempt to disarm you.
He did not bring that rifle across state lines. You need to keep up with the updates. Hitting him in the head with a skate board or pulling a gun on him is not simply attempting to disarm him.
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RadiantAdolin
09/01/20 7:34:28 PM
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Request that someone else brought up, but is there any proof he tried to surrender? I originally believed that he had tried to turn himself into the cops, but someone pointed out that we don't know what he said to them. Can anyone provide some evidence?

TheOtherMike posted...
Imagine thinking you can claim self-defense while brandishing a firearm (that you're carrying illegally and transported illegally across state lines) at people who you murder when they attempt to disarm you.
I've seen no evidence that he brandished.
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Lost_All_Senses
09/01/20 7:36:10 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
He did not bring that rifle across state lines. You need to keep up with the updates.

Why would you tell people to keep up with the updates while not providing a legitimate source for the update? It would show that you actually care about the truth, if you have the evidence you're claiming exist. Without it, your claim is pointless. Unless you for some reason think you just saying that is enough.

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ohiostate124
09/01/20 7:37:22 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Why would you tell people to keep up with the updates while not providing a legitimate source for the update? It would show that you actually care about the truth, if you have the evidence you're claiming exist. Without it, your claim is pointless. Unless you for some reason think you just saying that is enough.
There was never any proof he brought that rifle across state lines to begin with yet people still push that lie. Why dont you ask him for proof that he did?

This is one of his lawyers:


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The23rdMagus
09/01/20 7:39:04 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
He did not bring that rifle across state lines.
He lives in Illinois.

He crossed state lines to disrupt a protest.

Was the gun just magically waiting for him when he arrived?

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ohiostate124
09/01/20 7:39:32 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
He lives in Illinois.

He crossed state lines to disrupt a protest.

Was the gun just magically waiting for him when he arrived?
He didnt bring it with him.
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The23rdMagus
09/01/20 7:40:18 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
He didnt bring it with him.
Interesting. So who supplied a minor with a long arm that he wasn't allowed to legally carry in Wisconsin?

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Irony
09/01/20 7:40:37 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Interesting. So who supplied a minor with a long arm that he wasn't allowed to legally carry in Wisconsin?
Probably TC

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Lost_All_Senses
09/01/20 7:42:53 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
There was never any proof he brought that rifle across state lines to begin with yet people still push that lie. Why dont you ask him for proof that he did?

This is one of his lawyers:


Interesting. Doesn't really effect that he was out there for blood, but people definitely shouldn't use the defense anymore if that's true. Are you even allowed to use guns that aren't registered to you on the streets though? That seems like it would also be illegal.

I don't believe lawyers btw, Im not an idiot. But not having any evidence to prove otherwise, makes me have to settle with this as the current situation

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