Current Events > How the fuck is it just OK to openly sabotage the USPS?

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I really don't get it. Trump is so desperate to make it harder for people to vote that he's fucking up mail delivery for everyone. Holy shit.

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The concept of consequences for anything Trump does went out the window years ago.

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OP, it is a Private Organization....


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It's not okay, but he's getting away with it anyway. I heard Nanci Pelosi wanted to bring the House back together to vote to save it, however.
edit:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/pelosi-calls-house-back-into-session-to-vote-on-postal-bill-1.5066427

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The Dems are weak and just talk a good game.

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because the GOP don't care what happens to the american people as long as they get more money

veterans and elderly not receiving their medications on time? the GOP made money so they don't care


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cjsdowg posted...

The Dems are weak and just talk a good game.

there is literally nothing the dems can actually do when the republicans control the senate and the presidency

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Basically the Republican controlled Senate collectively decided that Trump will face zero consequences while in office. Once his cult of support breaks down though watch how quickly a number of Republicans will switch their stance and insist that they never supported Trump.

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Joeydollaz posted...

OP, it is a Private Organization....

Sort of anyway. If it wasn't propped up by the US Government, USPS would have tanked years ago. They've been hemorrhaging money for decades.

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Republicans have already shown they will not hold Trump accountable. And their base has shown they won't hold them accountable. So that's the end of that. He said it when he was running that he could shoot a man in the middle of a NY street and he base wouldn't falter. He's untouchable.
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DuneMan posted...

Basically the Republican controlled Senate collectively decided that Trump will face zero consequences while in office. Once his cult of support breaks down though watch how quickly a number of Republicans will switch their stance and insist that they never supported Trump.

Hopefully if Dems take the WH and Senate they launch investigations into every Republican in congress

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Joeydollaz posted...

OP, it is a Private Organization....

How is this relevant to the topic at hand? Trump has filled the board and the post master general positions with his own sycophants and they're actually removing sorting machines in multiple areas, which drastically reduces how much mail they can deliver.

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CableZL posted...

they're actually removing sorting machines in multiple areas, which drastically reduces how much mail they can deliver.

Again, hemorrhaging money for decades, which is actually really impressive for an organization that claims to be financed purely through charging for services they provide. And given the average citizen receives nothing but junk mail and bills, paper mail delivery is on its way out.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Sort of anyway. If it wasn't propped up by the US Government, USPS would have tanked years ago. They've been hemorrhaging money for decades.

You mean if it wasn't purposely attacked and hindered thanks to Bush and Republicans, and now Trump as well.
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doesn't the USPS still need congressional approval to do a lot of things as well? i remember reading something about how they wanted to raise the price of stamps but congress wouldn't let them. plus, the requirement to prefund health care obligations certainly didn't help. maybe if they could be slightly more autonomous and without political interference they wouldn't be in their current state

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Its a service to be paid for not to make profit. Susan Collins & the Republican controlled Congress shadily passed legislation back in 2006 specifically targeting the postal service and placing it on this path. Theyve forced it to pre-fund pensions for some 50+ years.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Again, hemorrhaging money for decades, which is actually really impressive for an organization that claims to be financed purely through charging for services they provide. And given the average citizen receives nothing but junk mail and bills, paper mail delivery is on its way out.

If hemorrhaging money is a concern, it doesn't make sense to purposefully make it dramatically less efficient by removing sorting machines. That makes it hemorrhage more money.

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Joeydollaz posted...

OP, it is a Private Organization....

Its a literal government service that the GOP wants to privatize so they can make themselves more money. So shut the fuck up.

Duncanwii posted...

My dad said hes fine with Trump messing with the mail as long as illegal immigrants and dead people cant vote. But hes crazy so...

That explains so much about you.
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It owns the libs, which is all that matters.
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Mr_Rian posted...

You mean if it wasn't purposely attacked and hindered thanks to Bush and Republicans, and now Trump as well.

lol at thinking that they weren't losing money under Clinton and Obama. Hell, in 2012 fiscal year, during Obama's term, they lost $15.9 BILLION. Mail volume has been decreasing for years, probably because I can do just about everything that used to require mail online now.

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Anything to do with voter suppression Republicans will always be for it.

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Crazyman93 posted...

lol at thinking that they weren't losing money under Clinton and Obama. Hell, in 2012 fiscal year, during Obama's term, they lost $15.9 BILLION. Mail volume has been decreasing for years, probably because I can do just about everything that used to require mail online now.

Were Clinton, Bush, and Obama directly trying to sabotage it by removing sorting machines?

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Reminder: This literally happened barely two years ago.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/seven-gop-lawmakers-make-misguided-trip-russia

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Crazyman93 posted...

Sort of anyway. If it wasn't propped up by the US Government, USPS would have tanked years ago. They've been hemorrhaging money for decades.

Its almost like its supposed to be a civil service and not a business

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Crazyman93 posted...

lol at thinking that they weren't losing money under Clinton and Obama. Hell, in 2012 fiscal year, during Obama's term, they lost $15.9 BILLION. Mail volume has been decreasing for years, probably because I can do just about everything that used to require mail online now.

You do realize that was after Bush, right? After Bush and the Republicans passed a law forcing them to fund pensions years in advance before they had to even pay it out. Someone no one else has to do.

They didn't lose money any year Clinton was president.
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Public services are supposed to lose money. That's what makes them services.
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This is the crap those f***face Republicans in power do. They sabotage government services and then turn around and say that government doesnt work. Its inefficient, its losing money, let it fail or privatize. fix it? lol no

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Crazyman93 posted...

And given the average citizen receives nothing but junk mail and bills

We deliver life saving medications every single day.

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Tactical_Spork posted...

Its almost like its supposed to be a civil service and not a business

Antifar posted...

Public services are supposed to lose money. That's what makes them services.

You realize they claim to fund themselves through services and not taxes right? As in they charge you for stuff and that's supposed to be how they stay afloat. If you're going to make that claim, it is perfectly legitimate to criticize them for losing money.

CableZL posted...

Were Clinton, Bush, and Obama directly trying to sabotage it by removing sorting machines?

Does it matter? They've been cutting employees and whole branches.

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DespondentDeity posted...

We deliver life saving medications every single day.

At half the speed and competency as UPS and FexEx deliver anything.

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You're dead wrong and ignoring facts that disprove your blatant lies.
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Crazyman93 posted...

lol at thinking that they weren't losing money under Clinton and Obama. Hell, in 2012 fiscal year, during Obama's term, they lost $15.9 BILLION. Mail volume has been decreasing for years, probably because I can do just about everything that used to require mail online now.

no fucking shit, but this is because the bush administration fucking crippled them.

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Crazyman93 posted...

At half the speed and competency as UPS and FexEx deliver anything.

Uhh no, Neither UPS nor FedEx makes anywhere near the deliveries the USPS does by far.

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Crazyman93 posted...

At half the speed and competency as UPS and FexEx deliver anything.

What? I get my medicine same day

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metralo posted...

no fucking shit, but this is because the bush administration fucking crippled them.

Even then he is factually wrong. They didn't lose money under Clinton. They had billions in surplus until Bush and the Republicans passed that law.
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metralo posted...

no fucking shit, but this is because the bush administration fucking crippled them.

Actually for most of the Bush Administration they reported a surplus.

https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043

• 2019 - $8.8 billion loss
• 2018 - $3.9 billion loss
• 2017 - $2.7 billion loss
• 2016 - $5.6 billion loss
• 2015 - $5.1 billion loss
• 2014 - $5.5 billion loss
• 2013 - $5 billion loss
• 2012 - $15.9 billion loss
• 2011 - $5.1 billion loss
• 2010 - $8.5 billion loss
• 2009 - $3.8 billion loss
• 2008 - $2.8 billion loss
• 2007 - $5.1 billion loss
• 2006 - $900 million surplus
• 2005 - $1.4 billion surplus
• 2004 - $3.1 billion surplus
• 2003 - $3.9 billion surplus
• 2002 - $676 million loss
• 2001 - $1.7 billion loss

And even if it is his fault, what did Obama do to remedy it?

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Crazyman93 posted...

Does it matter? They've been cutting employees and whole branches.

It does matter because sorting machines process tens of thousands of pieces of mail per hour and make the system much more efficient. There's a reason mail delivery has slowed to a crawl in many areas since they started removing them.

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CableZL posted...

It does matter because sorting machines process tens of thousands of pieces of mail per hour

Mail volume has been falling since 2001, roughly the same period that email was really gaining traction.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Actually for most of the Bush Administration they reported a surplus.

https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043

* 2019 - $8.8 billion loss
* 2018 - $3.9 billion loss
* 2017 - $2.7 billion loss
* 2016 - $5.6 billion loss
* 2015 - $5.1 billion loss
* 2014 - $5.5 billion loss
* 2013 - $5 billion loss
* 2012 - $15.9 billion loss
* 2011 - $5.1 billion loss
* 2010 - $8.5 billion loss
* 2009 - $3.8 billion loss
* 2008 - $2.8 billion loss
* 2007 - $5.1 billion loss
* 2006 - $900 million surplus
* 2005 - $1.4 billion surplus
* 2004 - $3.1 billion surplus
* 2003 - $3.9 billion surplus
* 2002 - $676 million loss
* 2001 - $1.7 billion loss
And even if it is his fault, what did Obama do to remedy it?

the pension bill was passed in 2006

gee look when the deficits started

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Treason is legal.

Crazyman93 posted...

Mail volume has been falling since 2001, roughly the same period that email was really gaining traction.

CableZL posted...

There's a reason mail delivery has slowed to a crawl in many areas since they started removing them.

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Oh no, I'll only get 150 Capital One mailers a week instead of the usual 300.

furb posted...

gee look when the deficits started

They lost money in 01 too, but please, keep grasping for straws to bitch about the evil Republicans.


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Crazyman93 posted...

Oh no, I'll only get 150 Capital One mailers a week instead of the usual 300.

They lost money in 01 too, but please, keep grasping for straws to bitch about the evil Republicans.

Look at the scale of the loses pre and post


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Crazyman93 posted...

Oh no, I'll only get 150 Capital One mailers a week instead of the usual 300.

You have no concept of anything other than your own individual need. There are people who receive critical medication through the USPS and many are having to wait a lot longer than normal to receive it.

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furb posted...

Look at the scale of the loses pre and post

K, now explain how the biggest loss was under Obama. If what the Republicans did was so wrong, why didn't Obama and the DNC revoke it when they had the power to do it?

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CableZL posted...

You have no concept of anything other than your own individual need. There are people who receive critical medication through the USPS and many are having to wait a lot longer than normal to receive it.

Go to an actual pharmacy then. CVS and Walgreens are common, Walmart's got pharmacies. Go to a real pharmacy if you need it that fast.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Go to an actual pharmacy then. CVS and Walgreens are common, Walmart's got pharmacies. Go to a real pharmacy if you need it that fast.

1) We're still in the middle of a pandemic. It isn't even safe for everyone to go to a pharmacy.
2) Not everyone can easily "just go to a pharmacy" due to disabilities anyway.

Again, you have no concept of anything other than your own individual needs and experiences.

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Thanks, Bezos

It's also not always an option to just go to the pharmacy, for example VA medications can only be filled by VA pharmacies, which not every city has. For people on a fixed income, their only option may be to fill through an online pharmacy with a sliding scale.

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