Current Events > If Trump wins its time for open rebellion.

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RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:17:19 PM #1:	Fuck rioting and fuck protesting. We need to fight back. Any win he gets is not legitimate at this point. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943489837] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Fuck rioting and fuck protesting. We need to fight back. Any win he gets is not legitimate at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 08/17/20 1:18:05 PM #2:	Keep fighting with that keyboard! --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:943489868] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Keep fighting with that keyboard! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/17/20 1:20:08 PM #3:	"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:943489954] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DontHateMe 08/17/20 1:21:46 PM #4:	Swap Trump with Biden and the alt right will claim the same, lmao. --- Too Complicated. <cite>DontHateMe posted [p:943490019] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Swap Trump with Biden and the alt right will claim the same, lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 08/17/20 1:22:25 PM #6:	Childish and dumb --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:943490051] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Childish and dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:23:15 PM #7:	ThePrinceFish posted... "if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler When the other side is actively using voter suppression and other tactics, while causing significant harm to the country and threatening to do even worse while actively ignoring laws, it's a perfectly reasonable response. When the system fails, we need a new system. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490086] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler</quote>When the other side is actively using voter suppression and other tactics, while causing significant harm to the country and threatening to do even worse while actively ignoring laws, it's a perfectly reasonable response. When the system fails, we need a new system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lysandear 08/17/20 1:23:43 PM #8:	Yes <cite>Lysandear posted [p:943490109] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Boombam99 08/17/20 1:24:02 PM #9:	ThePrinceFish posted... "if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler When the guy is blatantly and openly trying to cheat democracy by dismantling the post office to stop Dems from voting, thats not being a toddler. <cite>Boombam99 posted [p:943490123] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler</quote> When the guy is blatantly and openly trying to cheat democracy by dismantling the post office to stop Dems from voting, thats not being a toddler. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 08/17/20 1:25:18 PM #10:	Just accept that the Democrats have screwed up yet again, take the loss and stop trashing about. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:943490172] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Just accept that the Democrats have screwed up yet again, take the loss and stop trashing about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 08/17/20 1:25:39 PM #11:	Solid Snake07 posted... Childish and dumb So we just should accept what is likely to be a blatantly stolen election? Fuck that. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:943490187] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Childish and dumb</quote>So we just should accept what is likely to be a blatantly stolen election? Fuck that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:26:40 PM #12:	Hop103 posted... Just accept that the Democrats have screwed up yet again, take the loss and stop trashing about. Democrats aren't at fault. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490223] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>Just accept that the Democrats have screwed up yet again, take the loss and stop trashing about.</quote>Democrats aren't at fault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samaxe 08/17/20 1:26:51 PM #13:	ThePrinceFish posted... "if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler --- It wasn't a gift or stolen, something happened, and the guy who had it didn't need it anymore <cite>Samaxe posted [p:943490234] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 08/17/20 1:27:02 PM #14:	Oh no, an army of soy drinkers and milkshake throwers --- https://imgur.com/Asq1ds6 <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:943490240] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Oh no, an army of soy drinkers and milkshake throwers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:27:21 PM #15:	ThePrinceFish posted... "if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler Only if it's illegitimate. A lot of unbelievably stupid people might elect Trump legitimately, but our country is dead if the election is a fraud. Everything we think we know and trust about the system will be null and void. Your only options will be revolution or escape. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490254] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>"if my side doesn't win it's time to get violent" I think they call that the reaction of a toddler</quote>Only if it's illegitimate. A lot of unbelievably stupid people might elect Trump legitimately, but our country is dead if the election is a fraud. Everything we think we know and trust about the system will be null and void. Your only options will be revolution or escape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:27:55 PM #16:	AmericaTheBrave posted... Oh no, an army of soy drinkers and milkshake throwers Worshipping a dictator to own the libs --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490272] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>AmericaTheBrave posted... </cite> <quote>Oh no, an army of soy drinkers and milkshake throwers</quote>Worshipping a dictator to own the libs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 08/17/20 1:28:21 PM #17:	hockeybub89 posted... Only if it's illegitimate. A lot of unbelievably stupid people might elect Trump legitimately, but our country is dead if the election is a fraud. Everything we think we know and trust about the system will be null and void. Your only options will be revolution or escape. And if the election is legitimate? <cite>Trelve posted [p:943490289] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Only if it's illegitimate. A lot of unbelievably stupid people might elect Trump legitimately, but our country is dead if the election is a fraud. Everything we think we know and trust about the system will be null and void. Your only options will be revolution or escape.</quote>And if the election is legitimate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:29:00 PM #18:	Oh, and at this point we can write off every republican who supports Trump as a traitor to the country. No exceptions. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490321] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Oh, and at this point we can write off every republican who supports Trump as a traitor to the country. No exceptions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:29:21 PM #19:	Trelve posted... And if the election is legitimate? No win he gets will be legitimate. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490339] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite> <quote>And if the election is legitimate?</quote>No win he gets will be legitimate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheMikh 08/17/20 1:30:17 PM #21:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_present_danger --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:943490380] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_present_danger </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:30:35 PM #22:	Trelve posted... And if the election is legitimate? See the last 4 years --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490391] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite> <quote>And if the election is legitimate?</quote>See the last 4 years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:30:48 PM #23:	ImAMarvel posted... "Yeah, man, some of our basic freedoms actually got eliminated and Trump mobilizes alt-right white supremacist terrorism, but it's okay BECAUSE YOU LIBS GO PWNED LMAO XD" Let's not forget he failed to fight a pandemic because he wanted it to kill Democrat voters. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490400] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>"Yeah, man, some of our basic freedoms actually got eliminated and Trump mobilizes alt-right white supremacist terrorism, but it's okay BECAUSE YOU LIBS GO PWNED LMAO XD"</quote>Let's not forget he failed to fight a pandemic because he wanted it to kill Democrat voters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/17/20 1:31:02 PM #24:	Trelve posted... And if the election is legitimate? Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:943490411] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite> <quote>And if the election is legitimate?</quote>Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 08/17/20 1:31:40 PM #25:	So many people cool with Trump breaking the constitution wow such edge <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:943490439] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>So many people cool with Trump breaking the constitution wow such edge </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:32:03 PM #26:	ThePrinceFish posted... Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining. His first win was legitimate. If he wins again, because. Of his admitted interference, it will not be. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490454] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining.</quote>His first win was legitimate. If he wins again, because. Of his admitted interference, it will not be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samaxe 08/17/20 1:32:16 PM #27:	ThePrinceFish posted... Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining. /topic --- It wasn't a gift or stolen, something happened, and the guy who had it didn't need it anymore <cite>Samaxe posted [p:943490458] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining.</quote> /topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RadiantAdolin 08/17/20 1:33:14 PM #30:	People proving the point that every Trump Supporter is either an idiot or a traitor. <cite>RadiantAdolin posted [p:943490506] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>People proving the point that every Trump Supporter is either an idiot or a traitor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:33:20 PM #31:	ThePrinceFish posted... Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining. "I love you so much, Emperor Trump" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490510] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>Irrelevant question. Any election won by Trump is illegitimate as far as this topic is concerned. That's the beauty of the whining.</quote>"I love you so much, Emperor Trump" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/17/20 1:35:24 PM #32:	hockeybub89 posted... "I love you so much, Emperor Trump" This mockery might hurt more if it wasn't posted in the 'fantasizing about glorious revolution against evil orange Hitler' topic. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:943490591] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>"I love you so much, Emperor Trump"</quote>This mockery might hurt more if it wasn't posted in the 'fantasizing about glorious revolution against evil orange Hitler' topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lysandear 08/17/20 1:36:40 PM #33:	RadiantAdolin posted... People proving the point that every Trump Supporter is either an idiot or a traitor. As far as people on CE go, it's pure malice. Obv that doesnt preclude their being ignorant but for guys like Fish at least, it's pure seething hatred of the free and just. <cite>Lysandear posted [p:943490650] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>RadiantAdolin posted... </cite> <quote>People proving the point that every Trump Supporter is either an idiot or a traitor.</quote>As far as people on CE go, it's pure malice. Obv that doesnt preclude their being ignorant but for guys like Fish at least, it's pure seething hatred of the free and just. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 08/17/20 1:36:43 PM #34:	Lmao You're fighting rubber bullets and CS gas and you think you're tough. Wait until an armored humvee with an m2a1 comes around. M1 abrams, apache helicopters, b2/f22/ac130 planes. Delta, Devgru, Marine Raiders. Yeah I think you'll probably just stay home and whine like normal. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:943490653] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Lmao You're fighting rubber bullets and CS gas and you think you're tough. Wait until an armored humvee with an m2a1 comes around. M1 abrams, apache helicopters, b2/f22/ac130 planes. Delta, Devgru, Marine Raiders. Yeah I think you'll probably just stay home and whine like normal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 08/17/20 1:37:59 PM #36:	yemmy posted... Lmao You're fighting rubber bullets and CS gas and you think you're tough. Wait until an armored humvee with an m2a1 comes around. M1 abrams, apache helicopters, b2/f22/ac130 planes. Delta, Devgru, Marine Raiders. Yeah I think you'll probably just stay home and whine like normal. Go to Russia if you need a strong man daddy dictator to feel safe <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:943490702] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite> <quote>Lmao You're fighting rubber bullets and CS gas and you think you're tough. Wait until an armored humvee with an m2a1 comes around. M1 abrams, apache helicopters, b2/f22/ac130 planes. Delta, Devgru, Marine Raiders. Yeah I think you'll probably just stay home and whine like normal.</quote>Go to Russia if you need a strong man daddy dictator to feel safe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/17/20 1:38:07 PM #37:	CrimsonRage posted... @ThePrinceFish Because family pets and dead people aren't supposed to receive ballots. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:943490708] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted... </cite> <quote>@ThePrinceFish</quote>Because family pets and dead people aren't supposed to receive ballots. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:38:26 PM #38:	ThePrinceFish posted... This mockery might hurt more if it wasn't posted in the 'fantasizing about glorious revolution against evil orange Hitler' topic. I'm not fantasizing. Our lives are fucking over if this election is fraudulent. Our country will be in full collapse and we will likely suffer through the rest of our lives until we die. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490720] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>This mockery might hurt more if it wasn't posted in the 'fantasizing about glorious revolution against evil orange Hitler' topic.</quote>I'm not fantasizing. Our lives are fucking over if this election is fraudulent. Our country will be in full collapse and we will likely suffer through the rest of our lives until we die. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 08/17/20 1:40:20 PM #41:	CrimsonRage posted... is that a legitimate concern? enough to sway an election? No, but Daddy Emperor Trump said so, so yes. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:943490801] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted... </cite> <quote>is that a legitimate concern? enough to sway an election?</quote>No, but Daddy Emperor Trump said so, so yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lysandear 08/17/20 1:41:00 PM #42:	ImAMarvel posted... Imagine defending a potentially fascist regime this fucking hard. not even defending - he's getting aroused at the thought of the US military literally steamrolling the country with no hesitation damn what a fantasy to have, jesus <cite>Lysandear posted [p:943490830] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine defending a potentially fascist regime this fucking hard.</quote>not even defending - he's getting aroused at the thought of the US military literally steamrolling the country with no hesitation damn what a fantasy to have, jesus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 08/17/20 1:42:03 PM #43:	Rexdragon125 posted... Go to Russia if you need a strong man daddy dictator to feel safe I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:943490874] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite> <quote>Go to Russia if you need a strong man daddy dictator to feel safe</quote> I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwa ej 08/17/20 1:43:13 PM #44:	Where are the mods? There's a lot of Trump defending in this topic. <cite>uwa ej posted [p:943490911] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>Where are the mods? There's a lot of Trump defending in this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lysandear 08/17/20 1:44:06 PM #45:	uwa ej posted... Where are the mods? There's a lot of Trump defending in this topic. The mods are more liable to suspend TC than they are to mod the people praising America's open fascist takeover. <cite>Lysandear posted [p:943490939] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>uwa ej posted... </cite> <quote>Where are the mods? There's a lot of Trump defending in this topic.</quote>The mods are more liable to suspend TC than they are to mod the people praising America's open fascist takeover. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/17/20 1:45:00 PM #46:	yemmy posted... I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world. Some good those guns are doing then --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:943490978] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world.</quote>Some good those guns are doing then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yemmy 08/17/20 1:45:30 PM #48:	ImAMarvel posted... Imagine defending a potentially fascist regime this fucking hard. Not voting for Trump, and didnt in 2016 my friend. Not defending anything. Lysandear posted... not even defending - he's getting aroused at the thought of the US military literally steamrolling the country with no hesitation damn what a fantasy to have, jesus Not a fantasy, the fantasy is the armed uprising of the left if Trump wins itt. This is what would happen in reality. yemmy posted... I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:943490995] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine defending a potentially fascist regime this fucking hard.</quote> Not voting for Trump, and didnt in 2016 my friend. Not defending anything. Lysandear posted... </cite> <quote>not even defending - he's getting aroused at the thought of the US military literally steamrolling the country with no hesitation damn what a fantasy to have, jesus</quote>Not a fantasy, the fantasy is the armed uprising of the left if Trump wins itt. This is what would happen in reality. yemmy posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just repeating what liberals have been saying about the 2A community for years. I don't need anyone to feel safe, I have my own guns and I don't plan on fighting the most advanced military in the world.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 08/17/20 1:46:35 PM #49:	CrimsonRage posted... how ironic your poor founding fathers never anticipated that that the biggest 2A supporters would be the ones that supported the government tyranny. I'm not supporting anything lol. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:943491029] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted... </cite> <quote>how ironic your poor founding fathers never anticipated that that the biggest 2A supporters would be the ones that supported the government tyranny.</quote> I'm not supporting anything lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lysandear 08/17/20 1:47:13 PM #50:	yemmy posted... Not a fantasy, the fantasy is the armed uprising of the left if Trump wins itt. This is what would happen in reality If there was a rebellion on the part of those Americans who wish to remain/return to being a free country, they will not send in tanks and helicopters and put boots on ground to just turn people into mist left and right. That is literally psycho crazy shit that you would even think that. I don't care what kinda dumbass 'gotcha' you're trying to bring up - seems like it has nothing to do with this thread <cite>Lysandear posted [p:943491055] in If Trump w... [t:78917432]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite> <quote>Not a fantasy, the fantasy is the armed uprising of the left if Trump wins itt. This is what would happen in reality</quote>If there was a rebellion on the part of those Americans who wish to remain/return to being a free country, they will not send in tanks and helicopters and put boots on ground to just turn people into mist left and right. That is literally psycho crazy shit that you would even think that. I don't care what kinda dumbass 'gotcha' you're trying to bring up - seems like it has nothing to do with this thread </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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