Poll of the Day > Serious questions for Trump supporters

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sodium-chloride 08/16/20 1:14:46 AM #1:	What makes you want to vote for him? Is it because he's representing the Republican party and you have voted Republican in the past? Or do you genuinely think he is a good president? It just really confuses me how people are still Trump supporters after 4 years. I could see the appeal before he got elected, but what has he done that would make you want to vote for this man again? What do you think he will do to make your life better in this country? <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:943438245] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>What makes you want to vote for him? Is it because he's representing the Republican party and you have voted Republican in the past? Or do you genuinely think he is a good president? It just really confuses me how people are still Trump supporters after 4 years. I could see the appeal before he got elected, but what has he done that would make you want to vote for this man again? What do you think he will do to make your life better in this country? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 2:07:51 AM #2:	What makes you want to vote for him? There isn't a single reason. It would be nice to say something like 'he supports X which I agree with, so I'll vote for him' because that would make my political positions much easier to understand. The reality, however, is that there are three primary factors that have driven me to decide to vote for Trump in 2020 as well as what happened in 2016. In 2016... 1) I did not approve of how the DNC handled itself one bit in the primaries. I'm not going to say Bernie would have beaten Hilary if it wasn't for the DNC, that would be stupid. Hilary had name recognition which was going to help her out a lot. However the way it unfolded, in my mind, made it clear to me that the DNC did not represent its voter base but, instead, oligarchal power. This co-incided with what I was seeing in how the media was treating the candidates. It was four years ago so I don't recall specifics but I do recall it seeming like the media was acting as if Hilary had already won and Bernie just wasn't getting the hint. 2) I am HEAVILY against the CCP. Even before the candidates had started running I was hearing about their deeds and corruption and I could not, in good conscious, vote for any candidate who wasn't willing to get tough with them. Trump took a strong, pro-national, stance against them while Hilary was flippant at best if not outright supportive of increasing trade with them. 3) The 'Basket of Deplorables' comment. She basically not only said that a full-on quarter of Americans are horrible people that couldn't be redeemed but then effectively reserved the ability to define the criteria of what that meant for herself while giving her own party an effective blank check to the moral high-ground. This comment more than anything is what sealed the deal for me and ensured I would not vote for her in any circumstance. In 2020 1) In the years since the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to provide a good reason for me to believe I was wrong. They've done nothing but whine, scream, screech, and everything else about how horrible Trump is and everything; even when he's enacting the very policies that they put into place. Russiagate alone showed to me that they were completely insane. I mean, they thought Trump was pro-Russia while Hilary was the one literally giving the relationship reset button to them? If anything it seemed like Russia would have intervened on HER side and not Trump's, yet they were claiming HE was the asset? That's FAR from the only thing as well. The constant censorship, SJW/Political correctness, and everything else spoiled any chance I had of voting for them. 2) The DNC was a complete and total ***show. Even moreso than usual. The one candidate I actually liked couldn't get on the ticket, they had people campaigning down in Mexico, it was blatantly clear that they wanted Biden in but were going to gleefully look the other way to get money, and everything else, it was terrible. 3) Everything that's been happening of late has just further driven the point home. We have people unable to go outside for spiritual needs to peacefully gather in churches, but it's fine for the C.H.A.Z. to happen? And it only STOPS when they threaten the mayor who was, previously, supporting it? If that's what the Democrats have to offer count me out. Or do you genuinely think he is a good president?* I think this is a difficult question to answer. Here's my best answer. I believe that, had this election taken place some time between 1980 and 2000 with otherwise identical results, I believe Trump would be utterly unremarkable president on par with Carter in terms of renown and maybe an eternal joke about bad haircuts. Given the current political nature of this question I believe deciding if Trump was a good president or not won't be able to be answered until 2120 with the eyes of a generation hopefully completely unclouded by current politics. Meme power aside I don't know how I actually FEEL about him because I've been put in a situation where I have to, effectively, either approve of everything he does or act as if he drinks the fresh-squeezed tears of orphaned immigrant children to start his day. Needless to say this makes a nuanced answer on him very difficult. What do you think he will do to make your life better in this country? Let me flip this around. Without mentioning Trump or the Republicans (and no cheating with a substitute or the like. I mean 100% in both letter and spirit), what do you thing Biden will do to make life better in this country? --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your *! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943439392] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>What makes you want to vote for him? There isn't a single reason. It would be nice to say something like 'he supports X which I agree with, so I'll vote for him' because that would make my political positions much easier to understand. The reality, however, is that there are three primary factors that have driven me to decide to vote for Trump in 2020 as well as what happened in 2016. In 2016... 1) I did not approve of how the DNC handled itself one bit in the primaries. I'm not going to say Bernie would have beaten Hilary if it wasn't for the DNC, that would be stupid. Hilary had name recognition which was going to help her out a lot. However the way it unfolded, in my mind, made it clear to me that the DNC did not represent its voter base but, instead, oligarchal power. This co-incided with what I was seeing in how the media was treating the candidates. It was four years ago so I don't recall specifics but I do recall it seeming like the media was acting as if Hilary had already won and Bernie just wasn't getting the hint. 2) I am HEAVILY against the CCP. Even before the candidates had started running I was hearing about their deeds and corruption and I could not, in good conscious, vote for any candidate who wasn't willing to get tough with them. Trump took a strong, pro-national, stance against them while Hilary was flippant at best if not outright supportive of increasing trade with them. 3) The 'Basket of Deplorables' comment. She basically not only said that a full-on quarter of Americans are horrible people that couldn't be redeemed but then effectively reserved the ability to define the criteria of what that meant for herself while giving her own party an effective blank check to the moral high-ground. This comment more than anything is what sealed the deal for me and ensured I would not vote for her in any circumstance. In 2020 1) In the years since the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to provide a good reason for me to believe I was wrong. They've done nothing but whine, scream, screech, and everything else about how horrible Trump is and everything; even when he's enacting the very policies that they put into place. Russiagate alone showed to me that they were completely insane. I mean, they thought Trump was pro-Russia while Hilary was the one literally giving the relationship reset button to them? If anything it seemed like Russia would have intervened on HER side and not Trump's, yet they were claiming HE was the asset? That's FAR from the only thing as well. The constant censorship, SJW/Political correctness, and everything else spoiled any chance I had of voting for them. 2) The DNC was a complete and total **show. Even moreso than usual. The one candidate I actually liked couldn't get on the ticket, they had people campaigning down in Mexico, it was blatantly clear that they wanted Biden in but were going to gleefully look the other way to get money, and everything else, it was terrible. 3) Everything that's been happening of late has just further driven the point home. We have people unable to go outside for spiritual needs to peacefully gather in churches, but it's fine for the C.H.A.Z. to happen? And it only STOPS when they threaten the mayor who was, previously, supporting it? If that's what the Democrats have to offer count me out. Or do you genuinely think he is a good president? I think this is a difficult question to answer. Here's my best answer. I believe that, had this election taken place some time between 1980 and 2000 with otherwise identical results, I believe Trump would be utterly unremarkable president on par with Carter in terms of renown and maybe an eternal joke about bad haircuts. Given the current political nature of this question I believe deciding if Trump was a good president or not won't be able to be answered until 2120 with the eyes of a generation hopefully completely unclouded by current politics. Meme power aside I don't know how I actually FEEL about him because I've been put in a situation where I have to, effectively, either approve of everything he does or act as if he drinks the fresh-squeezed tears of orphaned immigrant children to start his day. Needless to say this makes a nuanced answer on him very difficult. What do you think he will do to make your life better in this country? Let me flip this around. Without mentioning Trump or the Republicans (and no cheating with a substitute or the like. I mean 100% in both letter and spirit), what do you thing Biden will do to make life better in this country? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pedro45 08/16/20 2:20:38 AM #3:	Biden will actually listen to scientists and take the pandemic serious --- Warning: Sometimes biased https://imgur.com/V0x5fw8 https://imgur.com/IOovUge https://imgur.com/zw7bqPH <cite>pedro45 posted [p:943439644] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Biden will actually listen to scientists and take the pandemic serious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unbridled9 08/16/20 3:05:06 AM #5:	Zangulus posted... Let's see: Not defend the USPS in order to fuck over people during a pandemic. Actually listen to scientists instead of pushing conspiracy theories during a global pandemic. Not claim he's going to drain the swamp while constantly putting multi billionaires in to government positions where they will profit on it at the expense of the American tax payer. Or you know, basically not be completely morally bankrupt and fuck over anyone worth less than 7 figures because he can get away with it while people lick his fucking asshole thinking somehow e-mails and bumped up congresional charges that wasted tax payer money on repeated Oh he's fucking corrupt and to even remotely suggest otherwise is fucking stupid. That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943440408] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Zangulus posted... </cite> <quote>Let's see: Not defend the USPS in order to fuck over people during a pandemic. Actually listen to scientists instead of pushing conspiracy theories during a global pandemic. Not claim he's going to drain the swamp while constantly putting multi billionaires in to government positions where they will profit on it at the expense of the American tax payer. Or you know, basically not be completely morally bankrupt and fuck over anyone worth less than 7 figures because he can get away with it while people lick his fucking asshole thinking somehow e-mails and bumped up congresional charges that wasted tax payer money on repeated Oh he's fucking corrupt and to even remotely suggest otherwise is fucking stupid.</quote> That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 08/16/20 3:08:28 AM #6:	sodium-chloride posted... What makes you want to vote for him? At first it was because I didn't like the results of Obama's policies and wanted someone to turn things around. After seeing how the Democrat party has conducted themselves over the past 4 years now I just want hoist a middle finger at them by keeping Trump in office. I have no love for the Republican party either. The conflict in the 2 party system always seemed like a distraction from the real issues. Where as Trump is actually trying to do the things he said he would. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:943440459] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>What makes you want to vote for him?</quote>At first it was because I didn't like the results of Obama's policies and wanted someone to turn things around. After seeing how the Democrat party has conducted themselves over the past 4 years now I just want hoist a middle finger at them by keeping Trump in office. I have no love for the Republican party either. The conflict in the 2 party system always seemed like a distraction from the real issues. Where as Trump is actually trying to do the things he said he would. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 3:21:03 AM #7:	Unbridled9 posted... That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC. dude you are so far off the deep end come back to reality --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943440637] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC.</quote> dude you are so far off the deep end come back to reality </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 3:28:01 AM #8:	Unbridled9 posted... That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC. I suppose I should clarify. The USPS has always been terrible. Even in the best of times there's just no way it could handle the mail-in ballots on the scale needed for the national election; nevermind the security or the like. Currently we're dealing with a pandemic which has cut their staff massively and will be drastically increasing the number of ballots beyond 'normal'. Even if Trump was behind it 100% the USPS is just not up to the task. Secondly, Trump was ahead of the curve when it came to the virus and wanted to shut down travel between America and China almost immediately when news broke of the virus. People love to rag on him for the hydroxy but the fact is he's looking for anything to help out and has something he does believe will help that, while the testing isn't concrete, does seem to at least help in certain situations. Meanwhile the democrats are championing mass riots and protests in which people are close together and there's no way to even remotely enforce social distancing or mask wearing and are politicizing the virus and actually trying to claim racism as a health issue. So yea, I don't believe this for even a second. Thirdly, want to talk about things like corruption, wasted money, and the like? Remember what happened with Ukraine and how Biden got his son tons of power? Or how Bill Clinton got confirmed to be a customer of E's while Trump more or less dropped the guy ASAP? Or how we had both Russiagate AND the false allegations against Kavanaugh (seriously. What did they think was going to happen? At BEST there's no evidence and no way to prove he actually did anything with her even if everything she said was true. Nevermind if she was lying, misremembering, or anything else.) while the ones against Biden just mysteriously disappeared? Not even a 'he's innocent', just vanished. So yea, I really don't think that's an argument in the slightest. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943440745] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>That's seriously your reasoning? Sounds like you need to turn off MSNBC.</quote> I suppose I should clarify. The USPS has always been terrible. Even in the best of times there's just no way it could handle the mail-in ballots on the scale needed for the national election; nevermind the security or the like. Currently we're dealing with a pandemic which has cut their staff massively and will be drastically increasing the number of ballots beyond 'normal'. Even if Trump was behind it 100% the USPS is just not up to the task. Secondly, Trump was ahead of the curve when it came to the virus and wanted to shut down travel between America and China almost immediately when news broke of the virus. People love to rag on him for the hydroxy but the fact is he's looking for anything to help out and has something he does believe will help that, while the testing isn't concrete, does seem to at least help in certain situations. Meanwhile the democrats are championing mass riots and protests in which people are close together and there's no way to even remotely enforce social distancing or mask wearing and are politicizing the virus and actually trying to claim racism as a health issue. So yea, I don't believe this for even a second. Thirdly, want to talk about things like corruption, wasted money, and the like? Remember what happened with Ukraine and how Biden got his son tons of power? Or how Bill Clinton got confirmed to be a customer of E's while Trump more or less dropped the guy ASAP? Or how we had both Russiagate AND the false allegations against Kavanaugh (seriously. What did they think was going to happen? At BEST there's no evidence and no way to prove he actually did anything with her even if everything she said was true. Nevermind if she was lying, misremembering, or anything else.) while the ones against Biden just mysteriously disappeared? Not even a 'he's innocent', just vanished. So yea, I really don't think that's an argument in the slightest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 3:58:15 AM #9:	Unbridled9 posted... Even in the best of times there's just no way it could handle the mail-in ballots on the scale needed for the national election sure they can, it will just take time theyre sending shit, TO EVERYONE, every day even if you were right, which you so clearly are not, how on earth would defunding the post office and DESTROYING mail sorting machines worth millions of dollars help in any way whatsoever? I mean if the issue is that they are financially successful wouldnt it make more sense to move those machines to storage or sell them since theyre worth so much? Instead theyre being just tossed or downright destroyed. The only thing that explains that is that what looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and is a fucking duck, is a duck. Trump is trying to stop just enough people from having their vote counted that he can shave down the margins enough to win with his base. You can already see the strategy well at work by the way he is applauding mail in voting for states where he is doing well like Florida and condemning in places where his numbers are bad. Hes doing this because he KNOWS once he is not in power in this country he will be held accountable for everything he has done, so in his mind he has no choice but to hold onto power using whatever authoritarian method he can. --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943441180] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>Even in the best of times there's just no way it could handle the mail-in ballots on the scale needed for the national election</quote> sure they can, it will just take time theyre sending shit, TO EVERYONE, every day even if you were right, which you so clearly are not, how on earth would defunding the post office and DESTROYING mail sorting machines worth millions of dollars help in any way whatsoever? I mean if the issue is that they are financially successful wouldnt it make more sense to move those machines to storage or sell them since theyre worth so much? Instead theyre being just tossed or downright destroyed. The only thing that explains that is that what looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and is a fucking duck, is a duck. Trump is trying to stop just enough people from having their vote counted that he can shave down the margins enough to win with his base. You can already see the strategy well at work by the way he is applauding mail in voting for states where he is doing well like Florida and condemning in places where his numbers are bad. Hes doing this because he KNOWS once he is not in power in this country he will be held accountable for everything he has done, so in his mind he has no choice but to hold onto power using whatever authoritarian method he can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YoukaiSlayer 08/16/20 5:08:33 AM #12:	So I saw 6 reasons you voted for trump where you didn't even mention his name. They were all just "the DNC sucks". Which I get, they do suck. The mail in thing doesn't make logical sense. They already deliver mail to and from everyone constantly. Additionally mail in ballots aren't that time sensitive. If you are really concerned that they can't be counted quickly, give people a month long window to mail them in or something which is surely enough time to count them all. It's not like counting a mail in ballot is so different from counting an in person ballot. Maybe security is an issue but why is it only an issue now and not in the preceding decades? It's not like mail in ballots are new. You can't seriously think he was handling the pandemic well because he wanted to close travel to china early. The virus was already here by that point and spreading communally. Theres a reason we have more cases than anywhere else in the world. --- I'm ninja (you can't see me) <cite>YoukaiSlayer posted [p:943441992] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>So I saw 6 reasons you voted for trump where you didn't even mention his name. They were all just "the DNC sucks". Which I get, they do suck. The mail in thing doesn't make logical sense. They already deliver mail to and from everyone constantly. Additionally mail in ballots aren't that time sensitive. If you are really concerned that they can't be counted quickly, give people a month long window to mail them in or something which is surely enough time to count them all. It's not like counting a mail in ballot is so different from counting an in person ballot. Maybe security is an issue but why is it only an issue now and not in the preceding decades? It's not like mail in ballots are new. You can't seriously think he was handling the pandemic well because he wanted to close travel to china early. The virus was already here by that point and spreading communally. Theres a reason we have more cases than anywhere else in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 5:59:03 AM #13:	So, that's your argument against defunding them further? That's fucking stupid and ridiculous. No. Stupid and ridiculous is not thinking your point isn't about mail-in voting, not pointing out that it doesn't matter if Trump gives them the funding or not because they're not only understaffed but wouldn't be capable even if things were okay, and then claiming that. It doesn't matter what Trump or the USPS does. The fact is that C-19's turned mail-in voting into an untenable mess. The USPS struggles to break even in good times. This isn't a secret or something even remotely partisen. Email and the multitude of online media, services like Amazon, and the like took an already struggling organization and beat it up while C-19's throttling it. It will survive as it is an important function but no matter what happens, no matter who wins, it's budget is getting cut because people just aren't sending as much mail, relying on digital services, and there are less people willing to work in mail. That's the plain and simple truth. Let's not forget, the left's in a tizzy right now because one person saw a red flatbed driving away with a mail truck on it and assumed it was a Trump supporter stealing the mail. Months before the election. By taking off with an entire truck. With no report to the police filed for a stolen truck. While wearing pro-Trump gear. And driving a flat-bed decorated in Trump colors. In broad daylight. Any bit of common sense would say that it's infinitely more likely that this is just a repair/towing of a broken down mail truck and the company just has red as it's color. The point is, however, that this is something happening that is completely independent of funding of the USPS yet the Democrats, people who are championing the security, reliability, etc of mail-in voting think that it can be twarted this easily. Let me spell it out for you. Not even the Dems have faith in mail-in voting. It doesn't matter what Trump does regarding the USPS because they're going to claim he frauded it because they believe that a guy stupid enough to openly advertise he's stealing an entire mail truck (according to the narrative) is enough to twart the entire process. Except for the fact that it's already been shown to be on american shores before that even happened, and he was warned months before he even attempted that and completely ignored it. But yeah. He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months. Whataboutism at it's finest. You literally have no actual response to what I said except for conjecture, already disproven issues, and... well, just spouting shit. So yeah. Good job. Thanks for proving my points. Cause you provided nothing for me to respond TO! You say he's morally bankrupt but don't give an example of HOW. The guy trying to pull our troops out of the middle east, opposing a government that's utilizing concentration camps to oppress a religious and ethnic minority, standing up against media censorship, and more is the morally bankrupt one? If Trump is morally bankrupt then it would seem someone like Biden, who used his power to get his son a seat on a board of directors and may have used his VP power to attempt to sabotage Trump in a manner identical to Watergate in 2016, is in a moral deficit. Let's not forget, Trump wanted to send out aid checks to people hit by C-19 but it was the left that blocked it because they wanted their own bill that talked about things like racial injustice instead. It wasn't Trump who advocated for repealing civil rights in California and deceived people by labeling it as 'affermative action'. It wasn't the Republicans who ran cities like Seattle, LA, and Chicago for years and proceeded to do nothing about the very racial injustices they claimed to oppose. It wasn't Republicans who accused a Supreme Court Justice of something they knew they could never prove but then turned around and said 'it doesn't matter' when it was their own candidate being accused. It wasn't Trump who said that a black person HAS to vote for them or else they aren't black anymore. It wasn't Trump who only stopped riots threatening the city when they personally threatened him. It wasn't the right that, for four years, could do nothing but obsess over how evil, wrong, and corrupt the president was and run news stories non-stop about it. It wasn't the right that thought bloody MEXICO was part of the U.S. It wasn't the right that condemned gun ownership non-stop only to turn around and buy guns the moment they felt a little bit threatened. It was Trump who called out China and is working to untangle the U.S. from them. It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting. It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders. It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again. To believe that we can reclaim our greatness instead of sliding into a mire of complacency. It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work. It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law. Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed! Take your senile old grandfather who can't even remember if he's running for president at times. Take your dictator VP... And hide away in your basement cowering in fear and guilt like the spineless cowards your party expects you to be while I make this nation shine once more! --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943442486] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>So, that's your argument against defunding them further? That's fucking stupid and ridiculous. No. Stupid and ridiculous is not thinking your point isn't about mail-in voting, not pointing out that it doesn't matter if Trump gives them the funding or not because they're not only understaffed but wouldn't be capable even if things were okay, and then claiming that. It doesn't matter what Trump or the USPS does. The fact is that C-19's turned mail-in voting into an untenable mess. The USPS struggles to break even in good times. This isn't a secret or something even remotely partisen. Email and the multitude of online media, services like Amazon, and the like took an already struggling organization and beat it up while C-19's throttling it. It will survive as it is an important function but no matter what happens, no matter who wins, it's budget is getting cut because people just aren't sending as much mail, relying on digital services, and there are less people willing to work in mail. That's the plain and simple truth. Let's not forget, the left's in a tizzy right now because one person saw a red flatbed driving away with a mail truck on it and assumed it was a Trump supporter stealing the mail. Months before the election. By taking off with an entire truck. With no report to the police filed for a stolen truck. While wearing pro-Trump gear. And driving a flat-bed decorated in Trump colors. In broad daylight. Any bit of common sense would say that it's infinitely more likely that this is just a repair/towing of a broken down mail truck and the company just has red as it's color. The point is, however, that this is something happening that is completely independent of funding of the USPS yet the Democrats, people who are championing the security, reliability, etc of mail-in voting think that it can be twarted this easily. Let me spell it out for you. Not even the Dems have faith in mail-in voting. It doesn't matter what Trump does regarding the USPS because they're going to claim he frauded it because they believe that a guy stupid enough to openly advertise he's stealing an entire mail truck (according to the narrative) is enough to twart the entire process. Except for the fact that it's already been shown to be on american shores before that even happened, and he was warned months before he even attempted that and completely ignored it. But yeah. He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months. Whataboutism at it's finest. You literally have no actual response to what I said except for conjecture, already disproven issues, and... well, just spouting shit. So yeah. Good job. Thanks for proving my points. Cause you provided nothing for me to respond TO! You say he's morally bankrupt but don't give an example of HOW. The guy trying to pull our troops out of the middle east, opposing a government that's utilizing concentration camps to oppress a religious and ethnic minority, standing up against media censorship, and more is the morally bankrupt one? If Trump is morally bankrupt then it would seem someone like Biden, who used his power to get his son a seat on a board of directors and may have used his VP power to attempt to sabotage Trump in a manner identical to Watergate in 2016, is in a moral deficit. Let's not forget, Trump wanted to send out aid checks to people hit by C-19 but it was the left that blocked it because they wanted their own bill that talked about things like racial injustice instead. It wasn't Trump who advocated for repealing civil rights in California and deceived people by labeling it as 'affermative action'. It wasn't the Republicans who ran cities like Seattle, LA, and Chicago for years and proceeded to do nothing about the very racial injustices they claimed to oppose. It wasn't Republicans who accused a Supreme Court Justice of something they knew they could never prove but then turned around and said 'it doesn't matter' when it was their own candidate being accused. It wasn't Trump who said that a black person HAS to vote for them or else they aren't black anymore. It wasn't Trump who only stopped riots threatening the city when they personally threatened him. It wasn't the right that, for four years, could do nothing but obsess over how evil, wrong, and corrupt the president was and run news stories non-stop about it. It wasn't the right that thought bloody MEXICO was part of the U.S. It wasn't the right that condemned gun ownership non-stop only to turn around and buy guns the moment they felt a little bit threatened. It was Trump who called out China and is working to untangle the U.S. from them. It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting. It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders. It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again. To believe that we can reclaim our greatness instead of sliding into a mire of complacency. It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work. It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law. Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed! Take your senile old grandfather who can't even remember if he's running for president at times. Take your dictator VP... And hide away in your basement cowering in fear and guilt like the spineless cowards your party expects you to be while I make this nation shine once more! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoukaiSlayer 08/16/20 6:17:44 AM #14:	Unbridled9 posted... It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting. This continues to be a non factor and does nothing to erase that he is in charge of the nation that has handled covid worse than every other nation on the globe. Stop bringing this up, it is not a point in his favor. Unbridled9 posted... It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders. By trying to build a completely ineffective wall? This is another point in favor of him being incompetent. Unbridled9 posted... It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again By doing what? Saying it really loudly? He didn't DO anything to actually help that happen. Unbridled9 posted... It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work So basically it was Trump who made a complete fool of himself? How is this a point in his favor? Unbridled9 posted... It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law. It was also trump escalating tensions that caused plenty of the rioting by responding to protests with threats and force. Not that rioters shouldn't be held accountable but from my view it's a clear case of both sides being wrong. Unbridled9 posted... A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! How specifically has he convinced you that we will do that? What will we be doing that elevators or nation to higher levels? Cause right now we are basically a laughing stock. --- I'm ninja (you can't see me) <cite>YoukaiSlayer posted [p:943442656] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting.</quote>This continues to be a non factor and does nothing to erase that he is in charge of the nation that has handled covid worse than every other nation on the globe. Stop bringing this up, it is not a point in his favor. Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders.</quote>By trying to build a completely ineffective wall? This is another point in favor of him being incompetent. Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again</quote>By doing what? Saying it really loudly? He didn't DO anything to actually help that happen. Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work</quote>So basically it was Trump who made a complete fool of himself? How is this a point in his favor? Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law.</quote>It was also trump escalating tensions that caused plenty of the rioting by responding to protests with threats and force. Not that rioters shouldn't be held accountable but from my view it's a clear case of both sides being wrong. Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves!</quote>How specifically has he convinced you that we will do that? What will we be doing that elevators or nation to higher levels? Cause right now we are basically a laughing stock. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JixHedgehog 08/16/20 7:13:21 AM #16:	Win or lose, he's probably the first US President to remain consistent on his principles. He wanted to boost the economy, you bet he'll boost the economy, he wanted the wall (weird how Dems back flipped on that one..) you bet he'll get that wall, he wanted to eliminate Obama Care, you bet he'll eliminate Obama care Meanwhile, it took a single day for Bidens VP pick to not only turn around her attack on Biden during the debates, but easily most if not all of her opinions about hot topic issues.. .. and when Biden can't fulfill his first term if he wins, she'll be President. --- Not changing my sig until Nintendo announces the Switch XL 1/12/2017 <cite>JixHedgehog posted [p:943443293] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Win or lose, he's probably the first US President to remain consistent on his principles. He wanted to boost the economy, you bet he'll boost the economy, he wanted the wall (weird how Dems back flipped on that one..) you bet he'll get that wall, he wanted to eliminate Obama Care, you bet he'll eliminate Obama care Meanwhile, it took a single day for Bidens VP pick to not only turn around her attack on Biden during the debates, but easily most if not all of her opinions about hot topic issues.. .. and when Biden can't fulfill his first term if he wins, she'll be President. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 08/16/20 7:32:07 AM #17:	The thing that boggles my mind about Trump is that he is the first president in my lifetime who actively tries to create division in the country rather than trying to unite the country. This dude retweeted a video of an old man yelling "white power!" a while back, lol. MAGA my balls. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:943443569] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>The thing that boggles my mind about Trump is that he is the first president in my lifetime who actively tries to create division in the country rather than trying to unite the country. This dude retweeted a video of an old man yelling "white power!" a while back, lol. MAGA my balls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/16/20 8:22:20 AM #19:	JixHedgehog posted... Win or lose, he's probably the first US President to remain consistent on his principles. you really dont know anything about his actual presidency do you? Remember when he said he wouldnt have time to golf because hed be working so hard? --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943444339] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>JixHedgehog posted... </cite> <quote>Win or lose, he's probably the first US President to remain consistent on his principles.</quote> you really dont know anything about his actual presidency do you? Remember when he said he wouldnt have time to golf because hed be working so hard? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 08/16/20 8:39:42 AM #20:	Mead posted... dude you are so far off the deep end come back to reality --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez For President, 2024 <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:943444641] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>dude you are so far off the deep end come back to reality</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 08/16/20 9:01:51 AM #21:	Unbridled9 posted... Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed! This single paragraph is mainly why I made this topic. I haven't ever seen why people want to vote for Trump other than "well the Dems suck" or "because he's a true Patriot and is doing good for this country". And based on your answers in this topic, it sounds like you fall in that category of people. This is not different from people voting for Biden because they don't like Trump so I'm not faulting you on it. It just truly makes it difficult to understand why anyone actually likes Trump as our president. So I'll ask you again, what is Trump doing as president that will improve your life in any meaningful way? You haven't answered this question so far. And based on your responses I'll ask you this. Do you genuinely believe Trump has made American a greater country than it was before he became president? Do you really believe that he will make it a better country if he were to be elected to a second term? I'm not here to challenge your beliefs or argue anything. I'm asking questions and just want honest answers because I'm genuinely confused. <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:943445059] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed!</quote> This single paragraph is mainly why I made this topic. I haven't ever seen why people want to vote for Trump other than "well the Dems suck" or "because he's a true Patriot and is doing good for this country". And based on your answers in this topic, it sounds like you fall in that category of people. This is not different from people voting for Biden because they don't like Trump so I'm not faulting you on it. It just truly makes it difficult to understand why anyone actually likes Trump as our president. So I'll ask you again, what is Trump doing as president that will improve your life in any meaningful way? You haven't answered this question so far. And based on your responses I'll ask you this. Do you genuinely believe Trump has made American a greater country than it was before he became president? Do you really believe that he will make it a better country if he were to be elected to a second term? I'm not here to challenge your beliefs or argue anything. I'm asking questions and just want honest answers because I'm genuinely confused. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fierce_Deity_08 08/16/20 9:26:32 AM #22:	He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California. --- Official Fierce Deity in my own mind. GT: OnikaraStar, PSN: Onikara, NNID: OnikaraStar <cite>Fierce_Deity_08 posted [p:943445608] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 9:58:48 AM #23:	Fierce_Deity_08 posted... He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California. go live in a deep red state and tell me how awesome it is in comparison --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943446309] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Fierce_Deity_08 posted... </cite> <quote>He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California.</quote> go live in a deep red state and tell me how awesome it is in comparison </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrincessTheresa 08/16/20 10:14:36 AM #24:	Fierce_Deity_08 posted... He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California. I like manly men not wussy men. Im voting Trump 2020! <cite>PrincessTheresa posted [p:943446671] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Fierce_Deity_08 posted... </cite> <quote>He was a better choice than Hillary, and now hes a better choice than Joe. Ive seen what damage Democrats can do, I live in California.</quote> I like manly men not wussy men. Im voting Trump 2020! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/16/20 10:19:49 AM #25:	Unbridled9 posted... He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months. youre right, he was warned. and he proceeded to ignore it and call it a democratic hoax for fucking months. --- now i can't kill the crazy that's behind my eyes <cite>helIy posted [p:943446799] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months.</quote> youre right, he was warned. and he proceeded to ignore it and call it a democratic hoax for fucking months. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JTekashiro 08/16/20 11:14:48 AM #26:	Unbridled9 posted... So, that's your argument against defunding them further? That's fucking stupid and ridiculous. No. Stupid and ridiculous is not thinking your point isn't about mail-in voting, not pointing out that it doesn't matter if Trump gives them the funding or not because they're not only understaffed but wouldn't be capable even if things were okay, and then claiming that. It doesn't matter what Trump or the USPS does. The fact is that C-19's turned mail-in voting into an untenable mess. The USPS struggles to break even in good times. This isn't a secret or something even remotely partisen. Email and the multitude of online media, services like Amazon, and the like took an already struggling organization and beat it up while C-19's throttling it. It will survive as it is an important function but no matter what happens, no matter who wins, it's budget is getting cut because people just aren't sending as much mail, relying on digital services, and there are less people willing to work in mail. That's the plain and simple truth. Let's not forget, the left's in a tizzy right now because one person saw a red flatbed driving away with a mail truck on it and assumed it was a Trump supporter stealing the mail. Months before the election. By taking off with an entire truck. With no report to the police filed for a stolen truck. While wearing pro-Trump gear. And driving a flat-bed decorated in Trump colors. In broad daylight. Any bit of common sense would say that it's infinitely more likely that this is just a repair/towing of a broken down mail truck and the company just has red as it's color. The point is, however, that this is something happening that is completely independent of funding of the USPS yet the Democrats, people who are championing the security, reliability, etc of mail-in voting think that it can be twarted this easily. Let me spell it out for you. Not even the Dems have faith in mail-in voting. It doesn't matter what Trump does regarding the USPS because they're going to claim he frauded it because they believe that a guy stupid enough to openly advertise he's stealing an entire mail truck (according to the narrative) is enough to twart the entire process. Except for the fact that it's already been shown to be on american shores before that even happened, and he was warned months before he even attempted that and completely ignored it. But yeah. He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months. Whataboutism at it's finest. You literally have no actual response to what I said except for conjecture, already disproven issues, and... well, just spouting shit. So yeah. Good job. Thanks for proving my points. Cause you provided nothing for me to respond TO! You say he's morally bankrupt but don't give an example of HOW. The guy trying to pull our troops out of the middle east, opposing a government that's utilizing concentration camps to oppress a religious and ethnic minority, standing up against media censorship, and more is the morally bankrupt one? If Trump is morally bankrupt then it would seem someone like Biden, who used his power to get his son a seat on a board of directors and may have used his VP power to attempt to sabotage Trump in a manner identical to Watergate in 2016, is in a moral deficit. Let's not forget, Trump wanted to send out aid checks to people hit by C-19 but it was the left that blocked it because they wanted their own bill that talked about things like racial injustice instead. It wasn't Trump who advocated for repealing civil rights in California and deceived people by labeling it as 'affermative action'. It wasn't the Republicans who ran cities like Seattle, LA, and Chicago for years and proceeded to do nothing about the very racial injustices they claimed to oppose. It wasn't Republicans who accused a Supreme Court Justice of something they knew they could never prove but then turned around and said 'it doesn't matter' when it was their own candidate being accused. It wasn't Trump who said that a black person HAS to vote for them or else they aren't black anymore. It wasn't Trump who only stopped riots threatening the city when they personally threatened him. It wasn't the right that, for four years, could do nothing but obsess over how evil, wrong, and corrupt the president was and run news stories non-stop about it. It wasn't the right that thought bloody MEXICO was part of the U.S. It wasn't the right that condemned gun ownership non-stop only to turn around and buy guns the moment they felt a little bit threatened. It was Trump who called out China and is working to untangle the U.S. from them. It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting. It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders. It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again. To believe that we can reclaim our greatness instead of sliding into a mire of complacency. It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work. It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law. Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed! Take your senile old grandfather who can't even remember if he's running for president at times. Take your dictator VP... And hide away in your basement cowering in fear and guilt like the spineless cowards your party expects you to be while I make this nation shine once more! Wait... Trump makes you believe that America is a great nation? Look man, you really need to re-evaluate your stance if this is how you honestly feel. You seem to be totally ignorant of Trump's rampant lying, fraud, dishonesty, total lack of integrity, bigotry, etc. I could go on. Anyway, my point is that Trump has done more to tarnish the American reputation internationally that any other individual or event in the past century. To hear Americans actually state they believe the oppposite is beyond shocking and stunning to the rest of the world. It is like you are just willingly ignoring the obvious facts put in front of you. You actually think somebody who has gone on record mocking disabled people and sexually assaulting women is somehow the best possible representation of the American people... <cite>JTekashiro posted [p:943448311] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>So, that's your argument against defunding them further? That's fucking stupid and ridiculous. No. Stupid and ridiculous is not thinking your point isn't about mail-in voting, not pointing out that it doesn't matter if Trump gives them the funding or not because they're not only understaffed but wouldn't be capable even if things were okay, and then claiming that. It doesn't matter what Trump or the USPS does. The fact is that C-19's turned mail-in voting into an untenable mess. The USPS struggles to break even in good times. This isn't a secret or something even remotely partisen. Email and the multitude of online media, services like Amazon, and the like took an already struggling organization and beat it up while C-19's throttling it. It will survive as it is an important function but no matter what happens, no matter who wins, it's budget is getting cut because people just aren't sending as much mail, relying on digital services, and there are less people willing to work in mail. That's the plain and simple truth. Let's not forget, the left's in a tizzy right now because one person saw a red flatbed driving away with a mail truck on it and assumed it was a Trump supporter stealing the mail. Months before the election. By taking off with an entire truck. With no report to the police filed for a stolen truck. While wearing pro-Trump gear. And driving a flat-bed decorated in Trump colors. In broad daylight. Any bit of common sense would say that it's infinitely more likely that this is just a repair/towing of a broken down mail truck and the company just has red as it's color. The point is, however, that this is something happening that is completely independent of funding of the USPS yet the Democrats, people who are championing the security, reliability, etc of mail-in voting think that it can be twarted this easily. Let me spell it out for you. Not even the Dems have faith in mail-in voting. It doesn't matter what Trump does regarding the USPS because they're going to claim he frauded it because they believe that a guy stupid enough to openly advertise he's stealing an entire mail truck (according to the narrative) is enough to twart the entire process. Except for the fact that it's already been shown to be on american shores before that even happened, and he was warned months before he even attempted that and completely ignored it. But yeah. He WAS warned. He tried to do things like stop the cruise ship that had the cases on it. A LOT of the problems came from the CCP outright lying about what was going on and democrats blocking his attempts to shut down travel because 'racism'. The blame for the virus spread lies firmly at the feet of the CCP and firmly NOT at Trump's feet. I know it feels like it's been a few years, but it's only been a few months. Whataboutism at it's finest. You literally have no actual response to what I said except for conjecture, already disproven issues, and... well, just spouting shit. So yeah. Good job. Thanks for proving my points. Cause you provided nothing for me to respond TO! You say he's morally bankrupt but don't give an example of HOW. The guy trying to pull our troops out of the middle east, opposing a government that's utilizing concentration camps to oppress a religious and ethnic minority, standing up against media censorship, and more is the morally bankrupt one? If Trump is morally bankrupt then it would seem someone like Biden, who used his power to get his son a seat on a board of directors and may have used his VP power to attempt to sabotage Trump in a manner identical to Watergate in 2016, is in a moral deficit. Let's not forget, Trump wanted to send out aid checks to people hit by C-19 but it was the left that blocked it because they wanted their own bill that talked about things like racial injustice instead. It wasn't Trump who advocated for repealing civil rights in California and deceived people by labeling it as 'affermative action'. It wasn't the Republicans who ran cities like Seattle, LA, and Chicago for years and proceeded to do nothing about the very racial injustices they claimed to oppose. It wasn't Republicans who accused a Supreme Court Justice of something they knew they could never prove but then turned around and said 'it doesn't matter' when it was their own candidate being accused. It wasn't Trump who said that a black person HAS to vote for them or else they aren't black anymore. It wasn't Trump who only stopped riots threatening the city when they personally threatened him. It wasn't the right that, for four years, could do nothing but obsess over how evil, wrong, and corrupt the president was and run news stories non-stop about it. It wasn't the right that thought bloody MEXICO was part of the U.S. It wasn't the right that condemned gun ownership non-stop only to turn around and buy guns the moment they felt a little bit threatened. It was Trump who called out China and is working to untangle the U.S. from them. It was Trump who tried to protect the U.S. by trying to shut down travel when C-19 was starting. It was Trump that worked to protect our national borders. It was Trump that inspired at least the right to believe in America again. To believe that we can reclaim our greatness instead of sliding into a mire of complacency. It was Trump who, in these dark times, was giving daily briefings in which he tried to reassure the nation and provided us with a treatment he thought would work. It was Trump calling for the violent rioters to be held accountable to the law. Now that I type it out I'd like to change my answer. I'm voting for Trump because he makes me believe that America is a great nation. A strong nation. A beacon that shines light across the entire world and into space itself. A nation that has crumbled under complacency, apathy, and corruption, but that can regain it's place and transcend the bonds of Earth into the heavens themselves! Meanwhile all the democrats have offered me is guilt, hatred, mockery, scorn, anger, and outrage. Screeching about how this nation is a terrible blight upon the world tainted with original sin to it's very core and the only 'cure' is constant atonement, self-flagellation, self-denial, and begging for forgiveness at the alter of political correctness and communism. I will never bow my head to such an ideology. Communism is the very definition of failure and we, America, shall succeed! Take your senile old grandfather who can't even remember if he's running for president at times. Take your dictator VP... And hide away in your basement cowering in fear and guilt like the spineless cowards your party expects you to be while I make this nation shine once more!</quote> Wait... Trump makes you believe that America is a great nation? Look man, you really need to re-evaluate your stance if this is how you honestly feel. You seem to be totally ignorant of Trump's rampant lying, fraud, dishonesty, total lack of integrity, bigotry, etc. I could go on. Anyway, my point is that Trump has done more to tarnish the American reputation internationally that any other individual or event in the past century. To hear Americans actually state they believe the oppposite is beyond shocking and stunning to the rest of the world. It is like you are just willingly ignoring the obvious facts put in front of you. You actually think somebody who has gone on record mocking disabled people and sexually assaulting women is somehow the best possible representation of the American people... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/16/20 11:17:39 AM #27:	I'm pretty sure it's the hatred for the Democrats, which is fair, they do suck, but it's still stupid to vote for trump because he's terrible too --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:943448396] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure it's the hatred for the Democrats, which is fair, they do suck, but it's still stupid to vote for trump because he's terrible too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 08/16/20 11:49:35 AM #28:	PrincessTheresa posted... . Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts. --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:943449373] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>PrincessTheresa posted... </cite> . Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrincessTheresa 08/16/20 12:04:36 PM #29:	dancer62 posted... . Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts. I like that he is about God, you know? Biden says hes going to hurt god and you know they want to take our guns too. https://youtu.be/Qa7VAuBmbP4 <cite>PrincessTheresa posted [p:943449796] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted... </cite> <quote>. Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts.</quote> I like that he is about God, you know? Biden says hes going to hurt god and you know they want to take our guns too. https://youtu.be/Qa7VAuBmbP4 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 12:05:58 PM #30:	No religion, no anything! --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943449837] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>No religion, no anything! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 08/16/20 12:50:33 PM #31:	PrincessTheresa posted... I like manly men not wussy men. Im voting Trump 2020! Trump is the definition of wussy. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:943451212] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>PrincessTheresa posted... </cite> <quote>I like manly men not wussy men. Im voting Trump 2020!</quote>Trump is the definition of wussy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 08/16/20 12:53:44 PM #32:	dancer62 posted... . Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts. Seems to me like you've been willfully ignoring the corrupt shit Republicans have done during Trump's tenure. But then again, people who can't even see it are beyond redemption. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:943451299] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted... </cite> <quote>. Im voting Trump 2020! I didn't vote Trump the last time, voted independent and wasted my vote. I'll vote Trump this time. The Democrats are beyond hopeless, four months of pointless debate to produce a few dozen souvenir "impeachment signing" pens (in a ridiculous ceremony worthy of an "I Love Lucy" skit), then four more months of riots. It took a lot of extremely creative work for the Democrats to make a reality TV "star" the better choice, it would be a real shame to deny their efforts.</quote>Seems to me like you've been willfully ignoring the corrupt shit Republicans have done during Trump's tenure. But then again, people who can't even see it are beyond redemption. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pedro45 08/16/20 12:57:53 PM #33:	Humble_Novice posted... Seems to me like you've been willfully ignoring the corrupt shit Republicans have done during Trump's tenure. But then again, people who can't even see it are beyond redemption. Even Darth Vader turned at the very end. He at least admitted to being corrupt and evil though... --- Warning: Sometimes biased https://imgur.com/V0x5fw8 https://imgur.com/IOovUge https://imgur.com/zw7bqPH <cite>pedro45 posted [p:943451414] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite> <quote>Seems to me like you've been willfully ignoring the corrupt shit Republicans have done during Trump's tenure. But then again, people who can't even see it are beyond redemption.</quote> Even Darth Vader turned at the very end. He at least admitted to being corrupt and evil though... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 08/16/20 1:03:29 PM #34:	PrincessTheresa posted... I like that he is about God, you know? Biden says hes going to hurt god and you know they want to take our guns too. You have got to be a troll account. Karma: 25.. ok, ok? --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez For President, 2024 <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:943451594] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>PrincessTheresa posted... </cite> <quote>I like that he is about God, you know? Biden says hes going to hurt god and you know they want to take our guns too.</quote>You have got to be a troll account. Karma: 25.. ok, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrincessTheresa 08/16/20 1:59:02 PM #35:	Judgmenl posted... You have got to be a troll account. Karma: 25.. ok, ok? Why you looking? You interested? Well you already eliminated any shot you mightve had by being against Trump. Thank you. Buh-bye. <cite>PrincessTheresa posted [p:943453396] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>You have got to be a troll account. Karma: 25.. ok, ok?</quote> Why you looking? You interested? Well you already eliminated any shot you mightve had by being against Trump. Thank you. Buh-bye. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 1:59:58 PM #36:	I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943453429] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DDirtyDastard 08/16/20 2:10:50 PM #37:	I support him purely for the lulz <cite>DDirtyDastard posted [p:943453765] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>I support him purely for the lulz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrincessTheresa 08/16/20 2:13:00 PM #38:	Mead posted... I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck Cute, Mead. <cite>PrincessTheresa posted [p:943453850] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck</quote> Cute, Mead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/16/20 2:27:40 PM #39:	Mead posted... I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck I've got'cher Karma right here baby --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943454328] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>I know I only check karma of those Im tryin to fuck</quote>I've got'cher Karma right here baby </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 2:39:27 PM #40:	sodium-chloride posted... This single paragraph is mainly why I made this topic. I haven't ever seen why people want to vote for Trump other than "well the Dems suck" or "because he's a true Patriot and is doing good for this country". And based on your answers in this topic, it sounds like you fall in that category of people. This is not different from people voting for Biden because they don't like Trump so I'm not faulting you on it. It just truly makes it difficult to understand why anyone actually likes Trump as our president. So I'll ask you again, what is Trump doing as president that will improve your life in any meaningful way? You haven't answered this question so far. And based on your responses I'll ask you this. Do you genuinely believe Trump has made American a greater country than it was before he became president? Do you really believe that he will make it a better country if he were to be elected to a second term? I'm not here to challenge your beliefs or argue anything. I'm asking questions and just want honest answers because I'm genuinely confused. Well, let's start with just this topic alone and look what's happening. Zang especially. The left is basically just talking about how horrible, corrupt, and the like the right is without even providing an argument, ignoring reality in favor of a political lie, talking about how horrible and terrible America is and how it's a laughing stock, and so-forth. The left is talking about doing things like abolishing the police, about how America is a tainted nation stained eternally with the sin of racism, anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, homophobic, etc, monster, and so-forth. Meanwhile when the virus hit Trump went out every day to give press briefings on the situation and did his best to find something, anything, to help. You'll find Dems talking about how hydroxy doesn't work or is dubious at best but they're missing the point. When the going got rough Trump was in our corner trying to help while the left, instead, talked about things like the racial impact of the virus. The left says 'tears down statues', Trump builds a Garden of Heroes. We've seen him establish a Space Force (an area we're behind in), a whole new WING of the military simply because, in the future, we're going to need to handle combat in space. We've heard talks of the Artemis project and establishing moonbases. We've seen entire migrant caravans smash up against our borders and Trump dispatch people down to the border to protect it while the left cries about racism. Every nation has a sovereign right to protect it's own borders; that's why they exist in the first place. Trump got tough on China. He's put us into a Trade War, done things like ban Tic Tok, bring at least some jobs back to America that were gone overseas and others got relocated to places at least friendlier to America. Meanwhile the left says it's racially motivated all while China turns shipments of masks around for their own people and Americans were left unable to manufacture their own because they had outsourced it all to China. You don't hear about this. Because the mainstream media only cries endlessly about Trump being some sort of 'ist' while doing their best to carry water for every little cause the left comes up with. Do you realize that the riots have been going on for, like, 70 days and are doing things like blasting bullhorns in the middle of the night specifically to wake civilians up and telling people they need to give up their homes to black people? I bet not because the media would cover that up. Meanwhile Trump is offering law and order, trying to get the mayors to protect their own cities and finally send in the police to break up these unrulely mobs, riots, and disruptive protests. It's the city mayors who are refusing but only so long as they don't have to deal with them personally; because once these riots and protests arrive at their front door they suddenly get tough and break them up. As for if things are better or will get better, I don't believe America is a better nation since before, but I also firmly believe that the reason for this is not because of Trump but because the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop. That isn't Trump's fault. It's theirs and it's why America is falling apart. If he gets re-elected I don't believe things will get better unless the left excises this cancer that has taken hold within them; which they won't do. However that doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly change my vote for a demented old man and a tyrant simply to appease a bunch of people whom have openly stated they want to reform America into a communist nation but can't even plant a garden (and then immediately say that said garden is reserved for PoC's if/when it ever does actually produce). If you want to learn more about the mindset I suggest going onto Youtube and looking up videos by people like Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko to name just two. You'll find that a decent portion of people who are going to be voting for Trump are people who actually hold classical left viewpoints and are simply utterly disgusted with what the left has been doing. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943454723] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>This single paragraph is mainly why I made this topic. I haven't ever seen why people want to vote for Trump other than "well the Dems suck" or "because he's a true Patriot and is doing good for this country". And based on your answers in this topic, it sounds like you fall in that category of people. This is not different from people voting for Biden because they don't like Trump so I'm not faulting you on it. It just truly makes it difficult to understand why anyone actually likes Trump as our president. So I'll ask you again, what is Trump doing as president that will improve your life in any meaningful way? You haven't answered this question so far. And based on your responses I'll ask you this. Do you genuinely believe Trump has made American a greater country than it was before he became president? Do you really believe that he will make it a better country if he were to be elected to a second term? I'm not here to challenge your beliefs or argue anything. I'm asking questions and just want honest answers because I'm genuinely confused.</quote> Well, let's start with just this topic alone and look what's happening. Zang especially. The left is basically just talking about how horrible, corrupt, and the like the right is without even providing an argument, ignoring reality in favor of a political lie, talking about how horrible and terrible America is and how it's a laughing stock, and so-forth. The left is talking about doing things like abolishing the police, about how America is a tainted nation stained eternally with the sin of racism, anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, homophobic, etc, monster, and so-forth. Meanwhile when the virus hit Trump went out every day to give press briefings on the situation and did his best to find something, anything, to help. You'll find Dems talking about how hydroxy doesn't work or is dubious at best but they're missing the point. When the going got rough Trump was in our corner trying to help while the left, instead, talked about things like the racial impact of the virus. The left says 'tears down statues', Trump builds a Garden of Heroes. We've seen him establish a Space Force (an area we're behind in), a whole new WING of the military simply because, in the future, we're going to need to handle combat in space. We've heard talks of the Artemis project and establishing moonbases. We've seen entire migrant caravans smash up against our borders and Trump dispatch people down to the border to protect it while the left cries about racism. Every nation has a sovereign right to protect it's own borders; that's why they exist in the first place. Trump got tough on China. He's put us into a Trade War, done things like ban Tic Tok, bring at least some jobs back to America that were gone overseas and others got relocated to places at least friendlier to America. Meanwhile the left says it's racially motivated all while China turns shipments of masks around for their own people and Americans were left unable to manufacture their own because they had outsourced it all to China. You don't hear about this. Because the mainstream media only cries endlessly about Trump being some sort of 'ist' while doing their best to carry water for every little cause the left comes up with. Do you realize that the riots have been going on for, like, 70 days and are doing things like blasting bullhorns in the middle of the night specifically to wake civilians up and telling people they need to give up their homes to black people? I bet not because the media would cover that up. Meanwhile Trump is offering law and order, trying to get the mayors to protect their own cities and finally send in the police to break up these unrulely mobs, riots, and disruptive protests. It's the city mayors who are refusing but only so long as they don't have to deal with them personally; because once these riots and protests arrive at their front door they suddenly get tough and break them up. As for if things are better or will get better, I don't believe America is a better nation since before, but I also firmly believe that the reason for this is not because of Trump but because the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop. That isn't Trump's fault. It's theirs and it's why America is falling apart. If he gets re-elected I don't believe things will get better unless the left excises this cancer that has taken hold within them; which they won't do. However that doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly change my vote for a demented old man and a tyrant simply to appease a bunch of people whom have openly stated they want to reform America into a communist nation but can't even plant a garden (and then immediately say that said garden is reserved for PoC's if/when it ever does actually produce). If you want to learn more about the mindset I suggest going onto Youtube and looking up videos by people like Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko to name just two. You'll find that a decent portion of people who are going to be voting for Trump are people who actually hold classical left viewpoints and are simply utterly disgusted with what the left has been doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 08/16/20 3:13:10 PM #42:	There is always some combination of 4 reasons 1. They personally benefit from his presidency 2. They hate the people he is hurting (ie the cruelty is the point) 3. They are gullible and genuinely believe the lies he spouts (either because of their distrust of "mainstream" sources or their lack of interest in seeking out alternative takes) 4. They hate the democratic agenda (either real, such as gun control and socialized medicine, or fictional, such as pizza pedophiles) more than they hate anything Donald Trump has done. This one probably overlaps the most with the other 3. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:943455799] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>There is always some combination of 4 reasons 1. They personally benefit from his presidency 2. They hate the people he is hurting (ie the cruelty is the point) 3. They are gullible and genuinely believe the lies he spouts (either because of their distrust of "mainstream" sources or their lack of interest in seeking out alternative takes) 4. They hate the democratic agenda (either real, such as gun control and socialized medicine, or fictional, such as pizza pedophiles) more than they hate anything Donald Trump has done. This one probably overlaps the most with the other 3. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 08/16/20 3:27:23 PM #43:	Unbridled; the reason for the protests have been happening for 70 days is because the racism issue that you want to pretend doesn't exist has been going on for over a century and before that black people were literally slaves. This issue is older than the united states as an independent country We fought a civil war over it 150 years ago. Princess; Joe biden doesn't want to hurt god. Took me five seconds to find this. THE BIDEN PLAN FOR SAFEGUARDING AMERICAS FAITH-BASED COMMUNITIES https://joebiden.com/safeguarding-americas-faith-based-communities/ Since i'm sure you won't read it word for word. "As president, Biden will lead by example: with tolerance and understanding from the highest levels of our government. He will also restore a national culture of inclusiveness that encourages individuals of all faiths to celebrate their beliefs openly and without fear of harm or reprisal" Trump lied. Trump lies. A lot. --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:943456298] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled; the reason for the protests have been happening for 70 days is because the racism issue that you want to pretend doesn't exist has been going on for over a century and before that black people were literally slaves. This issue is older than the united states as an independent country We fought a civil war over it 150 years ago. Princess; Joe biden doesn't want to hurt god. Took me five seconds to find this. THE BIDEN PLAN FOR SAFEGUARDING AMERICAS FAITH-BASED COMMUNITIES https://joebiden.com/safeguarding-americas-faith-based-communities/ Since i'm sure you won't read it word for word. "As president, Biden will lead by example: with tolerance and understanding from the highest levels of our government. He will also restore a national culture of inclusiveness that encourages individuals of all faiths to celebrate their beliefs openly and without fear of harm or reprisal" Trump lied. Trump lies. A lot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 08/16/20 3:30:15 PM #44:	Not to mention Biden is Catholic --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:943456380] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Not to mention Biden is Catholic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 08/16/20 3:41:01 PM #45:	Unbridled9 posted... Blah blah blah blah... Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko... Blah blah blah blah... Tim Pool is a Trump-supporting grifter. And besides, lying cultists like you who blindly defend the far right will be forgotten and cast aside the moment he is no longer president. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:943456725] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>Blah blah blah blah... Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko... Blah blah blah blah...</quote>Tim Pool is a Trump-supporting grifter. And besides, lying cultists like you who blindly defend the far right will be forgotten and cast aside the moment he is no longer president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/16/20 3:43:54 PM #46:	papercup posted... Not to mention Biden is Catholic hell hurt god though and hurt the bible why do you want that --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:943456832] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>Not to mention Biden is Catholic</quote> hell hurt god though and hurt the bible why do you want that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/16/20 3:53:01 PM #47:	Unbridled9 posted... the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop. The absolute irony --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943457148] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop.</quote>The absolute irony </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 08/16/20 4:19:26 PM #48:	Unbridled9 posted... Well, let's start with just this topic alone and look what's happening. Zang especially. The left is basically just talking about how horrible, corrupt, and the like the right is without even providing an argument, ignoring reality in favor of a political lie, talking about how horrible and terrible America is and how it's a laughing stock, and so-forth. The left is talking about doing things like abolishing the police, about how America is a tainted nation stained eternally with the sin of racism, anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, homophobic, etc, monster, and so-forth. Meanwhile when the virus hit Trump went out every day to give press briefings on the situation and did his best to find something, anything, to help. You'll find Dems talking about how hydroxy doesn't work or is dubious at best but they're missing the point. When the going got rough Trump was in our corner trying to help while the left, instead, talked about things like the racial impact of the virus. The left says 'tears down statues', Trump builds a Garden of Heroes. We've seen him establish a Space Force (an area we're behind in), a whole new WING of the military simply because, in the future, we're going to need to handle combat in space. We've heard talks of the Artemis project and establishing moonbases. We've seen entire migrant caravans smash up against our borders and Trump dispatch people down to the border to protect it while the left cries about racism. Every nation has a sovereign right to protect it's own borders; that's why they exist in the first place. Trump got tough on China. He's put us into a Trade War, done things like ban Tic Tok, bring at least some jobs back to America that were gone overseas and others got relocated to places at least friendlier to America. Meanwhile the left says it's racially motivated all while China turns shipments of masks around for their own people and Americans were left unable to manufacture their own because they had outsourced it all to China. You don't hear about this. Because the mainstream media only cries endlessly about Trump being some sort of 'ist' while doing their best to carry water for every little cause the left comes up with. Do you realize that the riots have been going on for, like, 70 days and are doing things like blasting bullhorns in the middle of the night specifically to wake civilians up and telling people they need to give up their homes to black people? I bet not because the media would cover that up. Meanwhile Trump is offering law and order, trying to get the mayors to protect their own cities and finally send in the police to break up these unrulely mobs, riots, and disruptive protests. It's the city mayors who are refusing but only so long as they don't have to deal with them personally; because once these riots and protests arrive at their front door they suddenly get tough and break them up. As for if things are better or will get better, I don't believe America is a better nation since before, but I also firmly believe that the reason for this is not because of Trump but because the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop. That isn't Trump's fault. It's theirs and it's why America is falling apart. If he gets re-elected I don't believe things will get better unless the left excises this cancer that has taken hold within them; which they won't do. However that doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly change my vote for a demented old man and a tyrant simply to appease a bunch of people whom have openly stated they want to reform America into a communist nation but can't even plant a garden (and then immediately say that said garden is reserved for PoC's if/when it ever does actually produce). If you want to learn more about the mindset I suggest going onto Youtube and looking up videos by people like Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko to name just two. You'll find that a decent portion of people who are going to be voting for Trump are people who actually hold classical left viewpoints and are simply utterly disgusted with what the left has been doing. What I took away from this post is that the left is messing up the country, America hasn't improved since Trump has been in office, and that the only way for America to improve if Trump is re-elected is for the left to stop messing things up. Nothing that has happened in the last 4 years is really Trump's fault. So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years. <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:943458021] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>Well, let's start with just this topic alone and look what's happening. Zang especially. The left is basically just talking about how horrible, corrupt, and the like the right is without even providing an argument, ignoring reality in favor of a political lie, talking about how horrible and terrible America is and how it's a laughing stock, and so-forth. The left is talking about doing things like abolishing the police, about how America is a tainted nation stained eternally with the sin of racism, anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, homophobic, etc, monster, and so-forth. Meanwhile when the virus hit Trump went out every day to give press briefings on the situation and did his best to find something, anything, to help. You'll find Dems talking about how hydroxy doesn't work or is dubious at best but they're missing the point. When the going got rough Trump was in our corner trying to help while the left, instead, talked about things like the racial impact of the virus. The left says 'tears down statues', Trump builds a Garden of Heroes. We've seen him establish a Space Force (an area we're behind in), a whole new WING of the military simply because, in the future, we're going to need to handle combat in space. We've heard talks of the Artemis project and establishing moonbases. We've seen entire migrant caravans smash up against our borders and Trump dispatch people down to the border to protect it while the left cries about racism. Every nation has a sovereign right to protect it's own borders; that's why they exist in the first place. Trump got tough on China. He's put us into a Trade War, done things like ban Tic Tok, bring at least some jobs back to America that were gone overseas and others got relocated to places at least friendlier to America. Meanwhile the left says it's racially motivated all while China turns shipments of masks around for their own people and Americans were left unable to manufacture their own because they had outsourced it all to China. You don't hear about this. Because the mainstream media only cries endlessly about Trump being some sort of 'ist' while doing their best to carry water for every little cause the left comes up with. Do you realize that the riots have been going on for, like, 70 days and are doing things like blasting bullhorns in the middle of the night specifically to wake civilians up and telling people they need to give up their homes to black people? I bet not because the media would cover that up. Meanwhile Trump is offering law and order, trying to get the mayors to protect their own cities and finally send in the police to break up these unrulely mobs, riots, and disruptive protests. It's the city mayors who are refusing but only so long as they don't have to deal with them personally; because once these riots and protests arrive at their front door they suddenly get tough and break them up. As for if things are better or will get better, I don't believe America is a better nation since before, but I also firmly believe that the reason for this is not because of Trump but because the left does nothing but spew hatred, lies, and negativity all day. They attack people for disagreeing with them, do things like slander people simply defending their homes, and generally act like spoiled, petulant, children non-stop. That isn't Trump's fault. It's theirs and it's why America is falling apart. If he gets re-elected I don't believe things will get better unless the left excises this cancer that has taken hold within them; which they won't do. However that doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly change my vote for a demented old man and a tyrant simply to appease a bunch of people whom have openly stated they want to reform America into a communist nation but can't even plant a garden (and then immediately say that said garden is reserved for PoC's if/when it ever does actually produce). If you want to learn more about the mindset I suggest going onto Youtube and looking up videos by people like Tim Pool and Karlyn Borysenko to name just two. You'll find that a decent portion of people who are going to be voting for Trump are people who actually hold classical left viewpoints and are simply utterly disgusted with what the left has been doing.</quote> What I took away from this post is that the left is messing up the country, America hasn't improved since Trump has been in office, and that the only way for America to improve if Trump is re-elected is for the left to stop messing things up. Nothing that has happened in the last 4 years is really Trump's fault. So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 08/16/20 4:30:56 PM #50:	The fact that the right thinks actively causing and radicalizing protesters promotes law and order is insane. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:943458425] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>The fact that the right thinks actively causing and radicalizing protesters promotes law and order is insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 4:31:22 PM #51:	sodium-chloride posted... What I took away from this post is that the left is messing up the country, America hasn't improved since Trump has been in office, and that the only way for America to improve if Trump is re-elected is for the left to stop messing things up. Nothing that has happened in the last 4 years is really Trump's fault. So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years. I'm not sure what you're asking for at this point when I listed several things that he has done (work towards securing the borders and repelling the migrant caravans, confronting China and bringing jobs back to America, and working to progress our space interests to name three). Can you give me an example then of the sort of thing you're looking for specifically? --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943458447] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>What I took away from this post is that the left is messing up the country, America hasn't improved since Trump has been in office, and that the only way for America to improve if Trump is re-elected is for the left to stop messing things up. Nothing that has happened in the last 4 years is really Trump's fault. So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years.</quote> I'm not sure what you're asking for at this point when I listed several things that he has done (work towards securing the borders and repelling the migrant caravans, confronting China and bringing jobs back to America, and working to progress our space interests to name three). Can you give me an example then of the sort of thing you're looking for specifically? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 08/16/20 4:46:36 PM #52:	sodium-chloride posted... So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years. Unbridled9 posted... I'm not sure what you're asking for at this point when I listed several things that he has done (work towards securing the borders and repelling the migrant caravans, confronting China and bringing jobs back to America, and working to progress our space interests to name three). Can you give me an example then of the sort of thing you're looking for specifically? I'd wager the issue here is that you two have wildly different views on what would america a better place Unbridled, you mentioned earlier in the topic that you liked one of the democratic candidates, which one did you mean? --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:943458986] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted... </cite> <quote>So again, what has Trump actually done or what do you think he will do to make this country a better place? You mention things about "offering law and order", establish a spaceforce and talk about the potential for "moonbases" but what does that actually mean for the country as a whole? None of those things have panned out or seem particularly useful in the next few years.</quote> Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not sure what you're asking for at this point when I listed several things that he has done (work towards securing the borders and repelling the migrant caravans, confronting China and bringing jobs back to America, and working to progress our space interests to name three). Can you give me an example then of the sort of thing you're looking for specifically?</quote> I'd wager the issue here is that you two have wildly different views on what would america a better place Unbridled, you mentioned earlier in the topic that you liked one of the democratic candidates, which one did you mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/16/20 5:01:13 PM #53:	Well, that there was a candidate whom had piqued my interest. Tulsi to be precise. Had she kept in I may have come to believe she was capable or come to disbelieve it, but the DNC was clearly not about to allow her to get anywhere so that she had to drop out is entirely expected. To be fair I don't know all her positions and, as an independent, couldn't vote for her anyways, but I expect I would have at least considered her had she remained in the race. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:943459531] in Serious qu... [t:78914862]...</cite> <quote>Well, that there was a candidate whom had piqued my interest. Tulsi to be precise. Had she kept in I may have come to believe she was capable or come to disbelieve it, but the DNC was clearly not about to allow her to get anywhere so that she had to drop out is entirely expected. To be fair I don't know all her positions and, as an independent, couldn't vote for her anyways, but I expect I would have at least considered her had she remained in the race. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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