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Unbridled9 posted...

Well, that there was a candidate whom had piqued my interest. Tulsi to be precise.

bahahahaha

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Unbridled9 posted...

Well, that there was a candidate whom had piqued my interest. Tulsi to be precise. Had she kept in I may have come to believe she was capable or come to disbelieve it, but the DNC was clearly not about to allow her to get anywhere so that she had to drop out is entirely expected. To be fair I don't know all her positions and, as an independent, couldn't vote for her anyways, but I expect I would have at least considered her had she remained in the race.
Edit: Things like her standing against the TPP were big factors; but like I said, I kind of knew she was going to get axed by the DNC quickly.

Tulsi was basically the Democrats' Carly Fiorina. She started strong as an ox, so they stopped asking her questions. She was too good. I'm a conservative. If you're a liberal politician and I like you, you're doing at least one thing right. IDK if Gabbard-Klobuchar would have beaten Trump-Pence, but Biden-Harris certainly won't. At least it would have gotten people on both sides of the aisle to think rationally.

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Our border is no more secure than it was a decade ago. What possible use is there in having a moonbase? Space combat isn't exciting like in tv. Everything goes in straight lines and you can't reasonably evade anything and you have unlimited sight with zero cover. It's a case of strike first and win instantly or lose instantly. It is for sure not something we need to waste money on right now when theres big ass problems that need a ton of money right now like covid.

I'm also inclined to think banning tik tok is fine but pointless. It's not hard to just replace it with a new app.

The trade war is a bit interesting and probably a good idea but we won't really know until years later. We obviously don't want to provoke an actual war with china and ultimately we can't stop them from becoming the largest worldwide power. They just have too many people and too much land and they have strategic advantages due to being so controlling. It's important that trade does resume with china and that we end up on good terms and it looks like it might but trump has strained our relationship with them somewhat over covid as well. I hate the chinese government but we just can't actually win a real war against them, at best we both lose. That sort of government needs to be taken down by their own people.

So thats one potential point in trumps favor although he has done what he can to increase the likelihood that it backfires. It might bring some jobs back to america but it's also going to cause lots of small businesses to close down. I'm doubting it's a net positive for american jobs, it's more about keeping china in check.

I'm fine with him rebuilding monuments if he really wants to but it's pretty inconsequential one way or the other.

I am continually confounded by how you view trumps covid response. "he was just trying his best to help us and give us daily briefings". These things mean nothing without results and the result is that our country is worse off against covid than literally everywhere else on earth. Either he didn't actually give a fuck as evidenced by his policies or he did give a fuck and is so incompetent that it costs america over 100,000 lives. It's not the presidents job to manually come up a cure anyway, leave to that the experts. If he is too god damn stupid to parrot what they tell him, then just let them tell us directly.

Finally the riots. I do not support the riots. I don't even support in person peaceful protesting right now. However, you have to be crazy to think trumps response to them has been useful. It's another case of looking at the end result. Either he is incompetent because his response didn't stop the riots or he is evil because his response is intentionally fanning the flames. The democrats at large also do not support the riots and endangering innocent peoples lives over this issue. Some crazy democrats do believe that stuff, just like some crazy republicans think a bunch of the democrats secretly eat babies. With groups as large as either party, you are going to have a massive raw number of shitty people and absolute morons.

To recap:
border stuff, not effective
space stuff, a significant waste of vital resources for no gain
china stuff, possibly the right idea but then he also has made it much worse for no reason
garden/monuments, who cares one way or the other
riot stuff, terribly ineffective handling
covid, hundreds of thousands of people will have lost their lives due to his mistakes.

Also, the rest of the world DOES see us a laughing stock. That's just a fact. Feel free to look at trumps international approval rating.

Gunsandredroses posted...

At least it would have gotten people on both sides of the aisle to think rationally.

I don't think theres anything on earth that could do that.

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Trump: Were going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because thats another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy mans case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what youre saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.

Well look at the other options.

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Our border is no more secure than it was a decade ago. What possible use is there in having a moonbase? Space combat isn't exciting like in tv. Everything goes in straight lines and you can't reasonably evade anything and you have unlimited sight with zero cover. It's a case of strike first and win instantly or lose instantly. It is for sure not something we need to waste money on right now when theres big ass problems that need a ton of money right now like covid.

I'm also inclined to think banning tik tok is fine but pointless. It's not hard to just replace it with a new app.

I was going to take this seriously, then I realized you had no clue how important a moonbase actually could be. So let me explain this in completely non-political terms.

A moon base is EXTREMELY important!

There are multiple reasons but the big one being that establishing an off-world, permanent, settlement is a major step towards being able to expand out into the rest of the system. The sheer amount of scientific data alone would be worth-while but that aside a moon base would be an invaluable stepping stone and the lower gravity would make it much easier to do things like launch missions from the moon than it would from somewhere like Mars or Venus. It's very possible that, in the future, we will be exporting space launches to the moon and the launches from Earth will, more or less, just be missions with the intention of getting to the moon. Even if colonizing somewhere like Mars is not viable yet having a moon base means we can start to practice and experiment and improve our colonization habits and technology so that, when we can finally reach Mars with a colonizing force, we can actually colonize it.

Additionally things like asteroid mining are extremely, exceptionally, desirable and valuable. Drastically reduced pollution, you can pick asteroids with valuable minerals on them, and in much higher quantities than found on Earth. A moon base is a huge step towards this since it can serve as a scouting, processing, and even potentially the main mining facility itself.

Likewise, a space force doesn't 'need to be like the movies'. The fact is that space is going to be the next battlefield. Right now it mainly involves both protecting your own satellites and destroying your opponents, but the U.S. is actually BEHIND China and Russia in these capabilities because it's only focused on scientific endevours with space. If you think it's going to be astronauts jetting around in giant gundams or space marines in power suits fighting on the moon, that's simply not the case. However you need to create the force in order for it to start to figure things out like 'how do we protect our satellites' or 'how to we destroy our opponents' or 'protect our bases, once we have them, out in the cosmos?'

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So this topic has had...what, 2 serious Trump lovers respond, and both responses are completely divoiced from reality and devoid of any acceptable reasoning?

Sounds about right.

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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

So this topic has had...what, 2 serious Trump lovers respond, and both responses are completely divoiced from reality and devoid of any acceptable reasoning?

Sounds about right.

Sorry, what? People asked about my reasons, I provided them and went into some detail about them. Other people who oppose Trump went and said my reasons were 'disproven' without saying why, going into detail, or anything of the sort and are effectively relying on numbers and repetition to 'win' when that wasn't even the point in the first place. Heck, the most REASONED argument was someone saying he didn't see the point of building a moon base when there are problems on Earth right now... because they actually EXPLAINED the logic and thought behind it beyond just repeating a tag line. Not very well, mind you, but they at least actually did so.

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better than biden.

doesn't matter anyway, since i'm in ca.
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Unbridled9 posted...

how do we protect our satellites'

You literally don't. Thats my point. There no defending in space. Space can't be a battlefield for more than like 2 seconds because all you can do is shoot. Lasers can potentially beat missiles but as soon as they do is when you have the biggest problem because there is no defense or warning against a light speed weapon. There might be a brief time when lasers nullify missiles but aren't strong enough to damage space ships but that will be a very brief time.

I fail to see how launching mining operations from the moon is easier than launching it from a space station. Space stations orbit in lagrange points so there is virtually no gravity to contend with during launches and you can more easily reach any part of the ship to do repairs.

You talk about scientific data but for what? We don't have the means to migrate people into space anytime soon (which has nothing to do with not having enough data about the moon) and we have extremely pressing matters that require money on earth. It's a waste of money. Let russia and china waste their money on it.

Also, everything I can find shows what I expected, asteroid mining is not very useful. Firstly, the cost is absurd. We are talking trillions of dollars per asteroid we mine. Secondly, asteroids don't really have what he need. Theres a lot of stuff like platinum and cobalt, but those aren't the materials we are going to run out of first. Finally and maybe most importantly, the asteroids we can actually reach combined are only 0.04% of earths mass. Even if they have 100 times more rare metals than earth, we are still looking at less than 10% of whats already on earth before we have completely used up all asteroids. If we mined every asteroid in the asteroid belt, earth would be able to function as it does for like 1-2 more years.

And this of course is ignoring that it's easier to mine or process from a space station because they are in lagrange points so a moonbase (aka you don't have to spend any energy to deal with gravity because the gravity of two objects cancels out in this section) doesn't even help this.

So to reiterate, a moonbase would provide no advantage over a space station aside from easier access to the moon, which provides no benefit, and asteroid mining is both prohibitively expensive and offers very little even if cost was no issue. We have far more important matters that need trillions of dollars than space right now.

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