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Smackems
08/05/20 8:29:54 PM
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Longer reach, easier to defend with, powerful and can get in between gaps in armor from farther away

Swords are always portrayed as the weapons people used primarily in history, but unless they come with a shield or are gigantic, true 2h swords like a montante, they don't compare

Swords are for goobers

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Turbam
08/05/20 8:31:25 PM
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Yeah, but axes beat spears

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specialkid8
08/05/20 8:31:42 PM
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But are spears made of glorious nippon steel that has been folded over 1000 times? Can a spear cut a bullet in half out of the air? I didn't think so.
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PMarth2002
08/05/20 8:32:35 PM
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Turbam posted...
Yeah, but axes beat spears

They really don't unless we're talking about fire emblem.

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Sexypwnstar
08/05/20 8:32:59 PM
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The thing is that wooden shields are superior to metallic shields in actual combat even though it's not portrayed as such in games/media.

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:34:03 PM
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Turbam posted...
Yeah, but axes beat spears
Dammit I guess so. Hector wrote the manuscripts on that

specialkid8 posted...
But are spears made of glorious nippon steel that has been folded over 1000 times? Can a spear cut a bullet in half out of the air? I didn't think so.
Spear made of puny bullet vulnerable wood lol

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Dragon239
08/05/20 8:34:06 PM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
The thing is that wooden shields are superior to metallic shields in actual combat even though it's not portrayed as such in games/media.
Why? Weight?

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Tyranthraxus
08/05/20 8:35:08 PM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
The thing is that wooden shields are superior to metallic shields in actual combat even though it's not portrayed as such in games/media.

Not exactly. Wooden shields were easier to carry and raise to defend yourself with. Metal still unquestionably protects better and is easier to repair.

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:37:09 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Not exactly. Wooden shields were easier to carry and raise to defend yourself with. Metal still unquestionably protects better and is easier to repair.
Wooden was probably easier to replace than metal was to repair, right?

Besides most shields had hide or something else covering them as well

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Dark_SilverX
08/05/20 8:37:12 PM
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Assault rifle destroys from a distance.

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:38:20 PM
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Dark_SilverX posted...
Assault rifle destroys from a distance.
But 50 cal sniper rifle roflstomps ar

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BuckVanHammer
08/05/20 8:38:21 PM
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gunchucks

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Sexypwnstar
08/05/20 8:38:52 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Not exactly. Wooden shields were easier to carry and raise to defend yourself with. Metal still unquestionably protects better and is easier to repair.

If a guy with a sword and wooden shield fought a guy with a sword and metal shield a swing of the sword against a wooden shield will get the sword stuck leading to an easy win.

Learned this from my English Lit prof

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Slayerblade11
08/05/20 8:38:58 PM
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Spears are also vastly easier to make and maintain.
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Smackems
08/05/20 8:42:16 PM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
If a guy with a sword and wooden shield fought a guy with a sword and metal shield a swing of the sword against a wooden shield will get the sword stuck leading to an easy win.

Learned this from my English Lit prof
Ehh you gotta swing really hard to get a sword stuck in wood. This would also be detrimental to the shield user if they are up against more than one opponent because then your shield is fucked

Yet another reason spear wins!

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:42:36 PM
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Slayerblade11 posted...
Spears are also vastly easier to make and maintain.
And train people to use

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greencheek
08/05/20 8:43:16 PM
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Smackems posted...
Ehh you gotta swing really hard to get a sword stuck in wood. This would also be detrimental to the shield user if they are up against more than one opponent because then your shield is fucked

Yet another reason spear wins!

what happens when the sword cuts your spear in half
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AlephZero
08/05/20 8:43:54 PM
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The superior Japanese katana will always win because it is folder over 10,000 times and forged from prime Japanese steel.

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Heart-Mk-II
08/05/20 8:44:26 PM
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What about a tactical missile strike?

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Touch
08/05/20 8:44:58 PM
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Okay hear me out

A spear but with a sword on one side and an axe on the other side

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CanuckCowboy
08/05/20 8:45:39 PM
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nah thats dumb. might as well say any hw with reach is better than tyson. get inside. kjill. period

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YugiNoob
08/05/20 8:45:54 PM
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Fucking superior to both swords and spears


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Smackems
08/05/20 8:46:42 PM
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greencheek posted...
what happens when the sword cuts your spear in half
Doesn't happen often at all

Also just move your spear while they're swinging at it like a dumbass and stab them

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Poop2
08/05/20 8:47:13 PM
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Britney Spears?
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BritneySpears
08/05/20 8:48:08 PM
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Poop2 posted...
Britney Spears?


Yes?
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CanuckCowboy
08/05/20 8:48:22 PM
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Smackems posted...
Doesn't happen often at all

what happens when tyhge dude with a sword dodges once or gets missed once and ends up inside in closer combat?

oh yeah the spear is shit and the sword wins.


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PatrickMahomes
08/05/20 8:48:37 PM
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Smackems posted...
But 50 cal sniper rifle roflstomps ar
marathon/lightweight/ninja >>>>> 50 cal

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Gakk86
08/05/20 8:49:00 PM
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Touch posted...
Okay hear me out

A spear but with a sword on one side and an axe on the other side
So...a halberd?

Nobody used swords in battle actually, but historical accuracy takes it in ass on a regular basis.

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:49:15 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
what happens when tyhge dude with a sword dodges once or gets missed once and ends up inside in closer combat?

oh yeah the spear is shit and the sword wins.
Just move back and they still gotta close that distance bruh bro von broheim

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Smackems
08/05/20 8:50:29 PM
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Gakk86 posted...
So...a halberd?

Nobody used swords in battle actually, but historical accuracy takes it in ass on a regular basis.
They did sometimes like using a montante or sword and shield (romans)

But shit like Game of Thrones where they fought whole battles using just long Swords? Lol no

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Prismsblade
08/05/20 8:52:38 PM
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Smackems posted...
Longer reach, easier to defend with, powerful and can get in between gaps in armor from farther away

Swords are always portrayed as the weapons people used primarily in history, but unless they come with a shield or are gigantic, true 2h swords like a montante, they don't compare

Swords are for goobers
Youre likely talking about 1v1s scenario in a open field. But that's not how battles always turned out. They were regularly close quarter clusterfucks and a hell of alot of good a long cumbersome spear will do for you then vs a sword and shield.


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rodu_jr
08/05/20 8:53:39 PM
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swords, including katanas were sidearms
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Gakk86
08/05/20 8:53:51 PM
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Smackems posted...
They did sometimes like using a montante or sword and shield (romans)
That's true, I was being needlessly hyperbolic. They used spears as well, too.

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Poop2
08/05/20 8:56:11 PM
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BritneySpears posted...
Yes?
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Smackems
08/05/20 8:56:19 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Youre likely talking about 1v1s scenario in a open field. But that's not how battles always turned out. They were regularly close quarter clusterfucks and a hell of alot of good a long cumbersome spear will do for you then vs a sword and shield.
Tight formation of long stabby weapons closing in on enemy without breaking. That's where it's at

And if it does turn into chaos (which means your commanders failed btw) then they have the swords as backup if the context calls for it

Generally though you wanna be a mass of shielded or armored guys with pointy weapons (preferably long) that doesn't break

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CanuckCowboy
08/05/20 9:01:46 PM
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Smackems posted...
Just move back and they still gotta close that distance bruh bro von broheim

Thats not how it works.

By yopur logic no fighter with a reach advantage should ever lose.

Each have their advantage but spears are definiotely inferior to swords when you look beyond a formed line against a charge. ie most situations.

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coh
08/05/20 9:03:35 PM
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why Are swords so romanticized?
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Smackems
08/05/20 9:04:02 PM
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https://youtu.be/uLLv8E2pWdk

Here's me some confirmation bias

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Tyranthraxus
08/05/20 9:05:03 PM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
If a guy with a sword and wooden shield fought a guy with a sword and metal shield a swing of the sword against a wooden shield will get the sword stuck leading to an easy win.

Learned this from my English Lit prof

That's not what would happen at all.

First of all the sword wouldn't get stuck. That's not how shields worked or else battles would consist if nothing but hoplites stuck to each other trying to pull their swords out of each other's shit.

Secondly if it did get stuck. I can now pull on my sword as hard as I want and throw your ass on the ground because your shield is stuck to your arm.

It's like this.

Wooden shields: lighter, could be made very large. High surface area, great for blocking arrows. High chance of breaking. Could rot in bad weather.

Metal shields: heavy, had to be small or else you get tired. Poor defense against arrows because it could deflect to another part of your body. Less likely to break when hit with a mace or axe.

At the end of the day most shields were made from wood for cost issues. Metal shields and longswords were mostly decorative / ceremonial and not used in combat by and large.

Weapon of choice for the bulk of Neolithic to middle age combat were clubs, staves, spears and bows. Romans used gladius were just really big knives for the most part. Mounted knights used long charging Lances and then shorts swords.

Everything changed when the fire arms invented.

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Gakk86
08/05/20 9:06:18 PM
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coh posted...
why Are swords so romanticized?
Name something more phallic than a sword.

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modena
08/05/20 9:08:12 PM
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Lubu comes to mind here,wasnt he like well over 6' 5" and used a trident? Screw getting near that guy at all.

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Tyranthraxus
08/05/20 9:08:48 PM
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Gakk86 posted...
Name something more phallic than a sword.
A dick

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Prismsblade
08/05/20 9:09:28 PM
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Smackems posted...
Tight formation of long stabby weapons closing in on enemy without breaking. That's where it's at

And if it does turn into chaos (which means your commanders failed btw) then they have the swords as backup if the context calls for it

Generally though you wanna be a mass of shielded or armored guys with pointy weapons (preferably long) that doesn't break
With tens or even hundreds of thousands of soldiers duking it at once it's a little ridiculous to believe things wouldnt turn close quarters. And at that point the enemy is literally one shield block away from getting in and cutting you down for free.


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Smackems
08/05/20 9:10:05 PM
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modena posted...
Lubu comes to mind here,wasnt he like well over 6' 5" and used a trident? Screw getting near that guy at all.
He also glowed red

Anyway I posted a video proving me right and haters suck

Obviously a guy with a sword against a spear could win he was just at a disadvantage and Hollywood has made us think swords are the best weapons always. They are not.


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Gakk86
08/05/20 9:10:08 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
A dick
My dick isn't gleaming metal and can stab through armor. Should I be worried?

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Tyranthraxus
08/05/20 9:10:11 PM
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modena posted...
Lubu comes to mind here,wasnt he like well over 6' 5" and used a trident? Screw getting near that guy at all.

You can't trust anything from rot3k to be accurate. That shit is basically Washington cutting down cherry tree levels of overexaggeration

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Tyranthraxus
08/05/20 9:10:58 PM
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Gakk86 posted...
My dick isn't gleaming metal and can stab through armor. Should I be worried?

Nah you fine

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CanuckCowboy
08/05/20 9:12:03 PM
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Smackems posted...
He also glowed red

Anyway I posted a video proving me right and haters suck

Obviously a guy with a sword against a spear could win he was just at a disadvantage and Hollywood has made us think swords are the best weapons always. They are not.


hes not though.

he just needs to move inside the spear head and hes the obvious favourite by a mile.

the odds of getting close are better than the odds of a debilitating blow immediately.. cmon

like thats literally not even the intent of a spear. a dude would toss his spear and go for his ssword if possible should a dude get inside that initial thrust.

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Smackems
08/05/20 9:12:18 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
With tens or even hundreds of thousands of soldiers duking it at once it's a little ridiculous to believe things wouldnt turn close quarters. And at that point the enemy is literally one shield block away from getting in and cutting you down for free. Grabbing the spear with their free hand is also a option if shieldless.

This I believe is usually why spearman, say, in the Roman army were calvary.
Good luck getting to the spear guy to grab it. Also his buddy behind him has a spear too and he's gonna stick you with it.

As for it turning into a free for all melee, usually combatants didn't actually fight for long before they backed off to regroup, retreat, etc. Though the melee did occasionally happen

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Cobra1010
08/05/20 9:12:24 PM
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It is a known fact among total war fans who like to look into a bit of history.

But swords are cooler looking, so most heroes in movies use swords.

Then pussies with bow and arrow came along, then guns and now missles and drones.

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