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Tmaster148 07/27/20 11:50:49 AM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa Donald Trump has made warnings about the threat of antifa and far-left fascism a central part of his re-election campaign. But in reality leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists, new research indicates, and antifa activists have not been linked to a single murder in decades. A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator. Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database. More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set. More than half of these victims died in a a single attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016. The database was assembled by researchers at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a centrist thinktank, and reviewed by the Guardian. Its launch comes as Trump administration officials have echoed the presidents warnings of a violent leftwing revolution. Groups of outside radicals and agitators are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate, violent and extremist agenda, the attorney general, William Barr, said amid nationwide protests following the death of George Floyd. A new justice department taskforce on violent anti-government extremists listed antifa as a major threat, while making no mention of white supremacy. Defining which violent incidents constitute politically motivated acts of terrorism, and trying to sort political violence into leftwing and rightwing categories, is inherently messy and debatable work. This is particularly true in the US, where highly publicized mass shootings are common, and some have no clear political motivation at all. Stated political motives for violent attacks often overlap with other potential factors, including life crises, anger issues, a history of violent behavior and, in some cases, serious mental health conditions. While researchers sometimes disagree on how to categorize the ideology of specific attacks, multiple databases that track extremist violence, including data maintained by the Anti-Defamation League, and from journalists at the Center for Investigative Reporting, have found the same trend: Its violent rightwing attacks, not far-left violence, that presents the greater deadly threat to Americans today. Leftwing violence has not been a major terrorism threat, said Seth Jones, a counter-terrorism expert who led the creation of CSISs dataset. Most of the deadly extremist attacks the CSIS researchers categorized as leftwing were killings of police officers by black men, many of them US military veterans, who described acting out of anger or retribution for police killings of black Americans. These shooting attacks include the murder of two police officers in New York City in 2014, after Michael Brown and Eric Garners killings; and the murders of five officers in Dallas, Texas, and three officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in 2016. Some of the gunmen who killed police had connections to black nationalist groups, which extremism researchers at CSIS and elsewhere said they typically categorize as leftwing, largely because in the 1960s, influential black nationalist groups like the Black Panther party were anti-capitalist and considered part of the New Left. Making that categorization is less straightforward today, some researchers acknowledge, since some prominent black nationalist organizations express homophobic, misogynistic and antisemitic views, values that set them in opposition to the current American left. Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the ADLs Center on Extremism, noted that Gavin Eugene Long, who staged an attack on police in Baton Rouge, had ties to black nationalism and was also part of an offshoot of the sovereign citizens movement, an anti-government ideology that is typically categorized as rightwing. In several of the high-profile leftwing attacks included in the CSIS list the only fatality was the perpetrator. A mass shooting attack on a group of congressional Republicans during a baseball practice outside of Washington DC, in 2017 left the Republican congressman Steve Scalise seriously injured, and three other people shot. The gunman, James Hodgkinson, 66, was the only one killed in the attack. Hodgkinson had deliberately targeted Republicans and had expressed disgust with Trump. Many of the other leftwing attacks or plots in the CSIS database, including by anarchists, environmental groups and others, resulted in no deaths at all. Often, leftwing plots, particularly by animal rights activists, have targeted businesses or buildings, and their primary weapons have been incendiaries designed to create fires or destroy infrastructure not kill people, said Jones, the researcher who led the creation of the data set. The one deadly anti-fascist attack listed in the database occurred in July 2019, when Willem von Spronsen, a 69-year-old white man, was shot dead by police outside an Ice detention center in Tacoma, Washington. Authorities said von Spronsen had been throwing molotov cocktails, setting flares, that he set a car on fire and that he had a rifle. Local activists told media outlets they believed he had been trying to destroy buses parked outside the facility that wereused to transport people who were being deported. Von Spronsen, who had previously been arrested at a protest outside the detention center, was involved in a contentious divorce, and both a friend and his ex-wife had described him as suicidal. In a letter he wrote to friends before his death, Von Spronsen called detention centers concentration camps and said he wanted to take action against evil, BuzzFeed News reported. I am antifa, he reportedly wrote. No one was harmed in the attack except Von Spronsen, according to media reports. Researchers who monitor extremist groups at the Anti-Defamation League and the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism said they, too, were not aware of a single murder linked to an American anti-fascist in the last 20 to 25 years. Heidi Beirich, a co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, said some leftwing groups were known for more radical and violent tactics in the 1960s, adding: Its just not the case today. Mark Pitcavage said he knew of only one killing, 27 years ago, that might potentially be classified as connected to anti-fascist activism: the shooting of a racist skinhead, Eric Banks, by an anti-racist skinhead, John Bair, in Portland, Oregon, in 1993. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942643912] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa <quote>Donald Trump has made warnings about the threat of antifa and far-left fascism a central part of his re-election campaign. But in reality leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists, new research indicates, and antifa activists have not been linked to a single murder in decades. A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator. Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database. More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set. More than half of these victims died in a a single attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016. The database was assembled by researchers at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a centrist thinktank, and reviewed by the Guardian. Its launch comes as Trump administration officials have echoed the presidents warnings of a violent leftwing revolution. Groups of outside radicals and agitators are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate, violent and extremist agenda, the attorney general, William Barr, said amid nationwide protests following the death of George Floyd. A new justice department taskforce on violent anti-government extremists listed antifa as a major threat, while making no mention of white supremacy. Defining which violent incidents constitute politically motivated acts of terrorism, and trying to sort political violence into leftwing and rightwing categories, is inherently messy and debatable work. This is particularly true in the US, where highly publicized mass shootings are common, and some have no clear political motivation at all. Stated political motives for violent attacks often overlap with other potential factors, including life crises, anger issues, a history of violent behavior and, in some cases, serious mental health conditions. While researchers sometimes disagree on how to categorize the ideology of specific attacks, multiple databases that track extremist violence, including data maintained by the Anti-Defamation League, and from journalists at the Center for Investigative Reporting, have found the same trend: Its violent rightwing attacks, not far-left violence, that presents the greater deadly threat to Americans today. Leftwing violence has not been a major terrorism threat, said Seth Jones, a counter-terrorism expert who led the creation of CSISs dataset. Most of the deadly extremist attacks the CSIS researchers categorized as leftwing were killings of police officers by black men, many of them US military veterans, who described acting out of anger or retribution for police killings of black Americans. These shooting attacks include the murder of two police officers in New York City in 2014, after Michael Brown and Eric Garners killings; and the murders of five officers in Dallas, Texas, and three officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in 2016. Some of the gunmen who killed police had connections to black nationalist groups, which extremism researchers at CSIS and elsewhere said they typically categorize as leftwing, largely because in the 1960s, influential black nationalist groups like the Black Panther party were anti-capitalist and considered part of the New Left. Making that categorization is less straightforward today, some researchers acknowledge, since some prominent black nationalist organizations express homophobic, misogynistic and antisemitic views, values that set them in opposition to the current American left. Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the ADLs Center on Extremism, noted that Gavin Eugene Long, who staged an attack on police in Baton Rouge, had ties to black nationalism and was also part of an offshoot of the sovereign citizens movement, an anti-government ideology that is typically categorized as rightwing. In several of the high-profile leftwing attacks included in the CSIS list the only fatality was the perpetrator. A mass shooting attack on a group of congressional Republicans during a baseball practice outside of Washington DC, in 2017 left the Republican congressman Steve Scalise seriously injured, and three other people shot. The gunman, James Hodgkinson, 66, was the only one killed in the attack. Hodgkinson had deliberately targeted Republicans and had expressed disgust with Trump. Many of the other leftwing attacks or plots in the CSIS database, including by anarchists, environmental groups and others, resulted in no deaths at all. Often, leftwing plots, particularly by animal rights activists, have targeted businesses or buildings, and their primary weapons have been incendiaries designed to create fires or destroy infrastructure not kill people, said Jones, the researcher who led the creation of the data set. The one deadly anti-fascist attack listed in the database occurred in July 2019, when Willem von Spronsen, a 69-year-old white man, was shot dead by police outside an Ice detention center in Tacoma, Washington. Authorities said von Spronsen had been throwing molotov cocktails, setting flares, that he set a car on fire and that he had a rifle. Local activists told media outlets they believed he had been trying to destroy buses parked outside the facility that wereused to transport people who were being deported. Von Spronsen, who had previously been arrested at a protest outside the detention center, was involved in a contentious divorce, and both a friend and his ex-wife had described him as suicidal. In a letter he wrote to friends before his death, Von Spronsen called detention centers concentration camps and said he wanted to take action against evil, BuzzFeed News reported. I am antifa, he reportedly wrote. No one was harmed in the attack except Von Spronsen, according to media reports. Researchers who monitor extremist groups at the Anti-Defamation League and the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism said they, too, were not aware of a single murder linked to an American anti-fascist in the last 20 to 25 years. Heidi Beirich, a co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, said some leftwing groups were known for more radical and violent tactics in the 1960s, adding: Its just not the case today. Mark Pitcavage said he knew of only one killing, 27 years ago, that might potentially be classified as connected to anti-fascist activism: the shooting of a racist skinhead, Eric Banks, by an anti-racist skinhead, John Bair, in Portland, Oregon, in 1993.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 11:50:56 AM #2:	Given the discrepancies between the deadly toll of leftwing and rightwing violence, American law enforcement agencies have long faced criticism for failing to take the threat of white supremacist violence seriously, while at the same time overstating the risks posed by leftwing protesters. After a violent rally in California in 2016, law enforcement officers worked with neo-Nazis to build criminal cases against anti-fascist protesters, while not recommending charges against neo-Nazis for stabbing the anti-fascists. Antifa activists have been the targets of domestic terror attacks by white supremacists, including in a terror plot early this year, in which law enforcement officials alleged that members of the neo-Nazi group the Base had planned to murder a married couple in Georgia they believed were anti-fascist organizers. Antifa is not going around murdering people like rightwing extremists are. Its a false equivalence, said Beirich. Ive at times been critical of antifa for getting into fights with Nazis at rallies and that kind of violence, but I cant think of one case in which an antifa person was accused of murder, she added. The new CSIS database only includes attacks through early May 2020, and does not yet list incidents connected with the massive national protests against police violence after Minneapolis police killed George Floyd, including the killings of two California law enforcement officers by a man authorities say was linked to the rightwing boogaloo movement. Today, Jones said, the most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the boogaloo movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States. Daily interpersonal violence and state violence pose a much greater threat to Americans than any kind of extremist terror attack. More than 100,000 people have been killed in gun homicides in the United States in the past decade, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. US police officers shoot nearly 1,000 Americans to death each year. Black Americans are more than twice as likely to be shot by the police as white Americans, according to analysis by the Washington Post and the Guardian. But the presidents rhetoric about antifa violence has dangerous consequences, not just for anti-fascists, but for any Americans who decide to protest, some activists said. Yvette Felarca, a California-based organizer and anti-fascist activist, said she saw Trumps claims about antifa violence, particularly during the George Floyd protests, as a message to his hardcore supporters that it was appropriate to attack people who came out to protest. Its his way of saying to his supporters: Yeah, go after them. Beat them or kill them to the point where they go back home and stay home afraid, Felarca said. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942643919] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote><quote>Given the discrepancies between the deadly toll of leftwing and rightwing violence, American law enforcement agencies have long faced criticism for failing to take the threat of white supremacist violence seriously, while at the same time overstating the risks posed by leftwing protesters. After a violent rally in California in 2016, law enforcement officers worked with neo-Nazis to build criminal cases against anti-fascist protesters, while not recommending charges against neo-Nazis for stabbing the anti-fascists. Antifa activists have been the targets of domestic terror attacks by white supremacists, including in a terror plot early this year, in which law enforcement officials alleged that members of the neo-Nazi group the Base had planned to murder a married couple in Georgia they believed were anti-fascist organizers. Antifa is not going around murdering people like rightwing extremists are. Its a false equivalence, said Beirich. Ive at times been critical of antifa for getting into fights with Nazis at rallies and that kind of violence, but I cant think of one case in which an antifa person was accused of murder, she added. The new CSIS database only includes attacks through early May 2020, and does not yet list incidents connected with the massive national protests against police violence after Minneapolis police killed George Floyd, including the killings of two California law enforcement officers by a man authorities say was linked to the rightwing boogaloo movement. Today, Jones said, the most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the boogaloo movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States. Daily interpersonal violence and state violence pose a much greater threat to Americans than any kind of extremist terror attack. More than 100,000 people have been killed in gun homicides in the United States in the past decade, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. US police officers shoot nearly 1,000 Americans to death each year. Black Americans are more than twice as likely to be shot by the police as white Americans, according to analysis by the Washington Post and the Guardian. But the presidents rhetoric about antifa violence has dangerous consequences, not just for anti-fascists, but for any Americans who decide to protest, some activists said. Yvette Felarca, a California-based organizer and anti-fascist activist, said she saw Trumps claims about antifa violence, particularly during the George Floyd protests, as a message to his hardcore supporters that it was appropriate to attack people who came out to protest. Its his way of saying to his supporters: Yeah, go after them. Beat them or kill them to the point where they go back home and stay home afraid, Felarca said.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/27/20 11:52:35 AM #3:	On the bright side, anyone who calls out antifa as some dangerous organization outs themselves as a liar and an idiot. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:942643987] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>On the bright side, anyone who calls out antifa as some dangerous organization outs themselves as a liar and an idiot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChrisTaka 07/27/20 11:53:24 AM #4:	There's a storm brewing. --- If Corona is so bad why not just make it illegal? thinking emoji <cite>ChrisTaka posted [p:942644010] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>There's a storm brewing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reiss 07/27/20 11:54:44 AM #5:	yeah but Fox News told me otherwise so idc <cite>Reiss posted [p:942644054] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>yeah but Fox News told me otherwise so idc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 07/27/20 11:55:25 AM #6:	Wow I'm shocked. Absolutely. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:942644082] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Wow I'm shocked. Absolutely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedJackson 07/27/20 11:59:08 AM #7:	Guide posted... On the bright side, anyone who calls out antifa as some dangerous organization outs themselves as a liar and an idiot. Oh shut the hell up Antifa is a joke, I say this as someone who voted democrat - they dont stand for anything besides me, me, me The worst thing you can do to a great cause is paint it in a bad light and thats what these fools succeed in doing.. its not BLM, its not Latinos against cages, its not LGBTQ against bias.. its a bunch of would be protesters aiming their anger at absolutely nothing <cite>RedJackson posted [p:942644211] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>On the bright side, anyone who calls out antifa as some dangerous organization outs themselves as a liar and an idiot.</quote> Oh shut the hell up Antifa is a joke, I say this as someone who voted democrat - they dont stand for anything besides me, me, me The worst thing you can do to a great cause is paint it in a bad light and thats what these fools succeed in doing.. its not BLM, its not Latinos against cages, its not LGBTQ against bias.. its a bunch of would be protesters aiming their anger at absolutely nothing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 11:59:15 AM #8:	Not reading the whole thing, but the report used as a source is very...lacking in sources itself. And it's biased from the offset. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942644213] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Not reading the whole thing, but the report used as a source is very...lacking in sources itself. And it's biased from the offset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 07/27/20 12:00:09 PM #9:	But remember, Antifa is still a terrorist group! --- https://imgur.com/i9oVpG0 <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:942644255] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>But remember, Antifa is still a terrorist group! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 12:01:06 PM #10:	I see we got two fascist sympathizers showing up already. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942644286] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>I see we got two fascist sympathizers showing up already. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 07/27/20 12:01:14 PM #11:	They're a terrorist group but groups that actually terrorize others are "fine people" according to the president. --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:942644294] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>They're a terrorist group but groups that actually terrorize others are "fine people" according to the president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/20 12:02:36 PM #12:	--- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942644340] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RebelElite791 07/27/20 12:05:45 PM #14:	CrimsonRage posted... i really would like to see someone explain the logic in why antifa is worse than nazis/white supremacists. Nazis arent a problem in the US and antifa are rampaging through the streets attacking anyone who isnt far left --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:942644445] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted... </cite> <quote>i really would like to see someone explain the logic in why antifa is worse than nazis/white supremacists.</quote>Nazis arent a problem in the US and antifa are rampaging through the streets attacking anyone who isnt far left </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 12:07:21 PM #15:	Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942644499] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 07/27/20 12:09:05 PM #16:	Slayer_22 posted... Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh. That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:942644542] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh.</quote>That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 07/27/20 12:09:49 PM #18:	Slayer_22 posted... Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh. Your example isn't an example of a left wing attack. There's no political motive. But you are a prime example of feelings over facts. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942644574] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Alright, did a little research and a tiny bit more in-depth reading myself. That report is just...HEAVILY specific. Like, ridiculously specific, to make it's point. And the article is taking that, and twisting it to fit a different point. The report is based on terrorist attacks specifically. The article is just saying 'the left is always innocent'. For fucks sake, I can find a death linked to the right in a quick google search: "Last January, Charles Landeros, 30, wearing a "Smash the patriarchy" t-shirt, went to his daughter's middle school in Eugene, Oregon, to discuss a custody dispute. When asked by two school resource officers to leave the building, Charles refused. They attempted to place him under arrest, and he pulled out a handgun and fired two rounds at them. He missed and was killed by returning gunfire from one of the officers. Charles' daughter was feet away. Authorities later found Landeros was carrying an extra magazine on his belt." Still a murder, still linked to the left. Eh.</quote> Your example isn't an example of a left wing attack. There's no political motive. But you are a prime example of feelings over facts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 07/27/20 12:09:51 PM #19:	Fascism isnt even a left ideology, right is. There is no such thing as far left fascism --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:942644576] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Fascism isnt even a left ideology, right is. There is no such thing as far left fascism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/20 12:10:47 PM #20:	RebelElite791 posted... That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here Also I don't really think we should count dying from extreme stupidity as murder. Who was the murderer? He murdered himself? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942644617] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here</quote> Also I don't really think we should count dying from extreme stupidity as murder. Who was the murderer? He murdered himself? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmbraceOfDeath 07/27/20 12:10:53 PM #21:	Interesting that when it benefits Antifa, it's not a real organization and everyone who is anti fascist is Antifa, but when it comes to murders, somehow any murderers who are against fascism don't count as Antifa. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:942644623] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Interesting that when it benefits Antifa, it's not a real organization and everyone who is anti fascist is Antifa, but when it comes to murders, somehow any murderers who are against fascism don't count as Antifa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 12:12:18 PM #22:	RebelElite791 posted... That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here More just nitpicking the vague and awful title lol. "Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years" is just wrong af. Sorry. Tmaster148 posted... Your example isn't an example of a left wing attack. There's no political motive. But you are a prime example of feelings over facts. Says the guy that whines in topics about a video game characrer regardless of what the topic is about. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942644675] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote> That is not an ideologically motivated murder. God who the fuck even are you and why did you decide to pop up and shitpost nonstop here </quote> More just nitpicking the vague and awful title lol. "Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years" is just wrong af. Sorry. Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> Your example isn't an example of a left wing attack. There's no political motive. But you are a prime example of feelings over facts. </quote> Says the guy that whines in topics about a video game characrer regardless of what the topic is about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 12:14:35 PM #23:	Slayer_22 posted... Says the guy that whines in topics about a video game characrer regardless of what the topic is about. I'm sorry my posts about a video game character on a different board make you butthurt enough to support fascism. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942644771] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Says the guy that whines in topics about a video game characrer regardless of what the topic is about.</quote> I'm sorry my posts about a video game character on a different board make you butthurt enough to support fascism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 07/27/20 12:16:22 PM #25:	CrimsonRage posted... because you feel it's wrong? No. Because it's just a straight faced lie. Like...it's just wrong. Tmaster148 posted... I'm sorry my posts about a video game character on a different board make you butthurt enough to support fascism. I don't support anything, especially not your constant whining. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942644848] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote> because you feel it's wrong? </quote> No. Because it's just a straight faced lie. Like...it's just wrong. Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> I'm sorry my posts about a video game character on a different board make you butthurt enough to support fascism. </quote> I don't support anything, especially not your constant whining.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 12:16:54 PM #26:	Slayer_22 posted... I don't support anything, especially not your constant whining. The only person whining here is you. Maybe you should stop projecting. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942644873] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't support anything, especially not your constant whining.</quote> The only person whining here is you. Maybe you should stop projecting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 12:17:49 PM #27:	Tmaster148 posted... The only person whining here is you. Maybe you should stop projecting. You're the one that whines in every topic. I'm sorry that I don't blindly agree with your crying. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942644915] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> The only person whining here is you. Maybe you should stop projecting. </quote> You're the one that whines in every topic. I'm sorry that I don't blindly agree with your crying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 12:18:32 PM #28:	Slayer_22 posted... You're the one that whines in every topic. I'm sorry that I don't blindly agree with your crying. It's funny how much you are melting down over my thoughts on a video game character in a topic not about that video game character. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942644945] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>You're the one that whines in every topic. I'm sorry that I don't blindly agree with your crying.</quote> It's funny how much you are melting down over my thoughts on a video game character in a topic not about that video game character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 07/27/20 12:20:36 PM #29:	--- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:942645038] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 07/27/20 12:33:40 PM #31:	Slayer_22 posted... More just nitpicking the vague and awful title lol. "Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years" is just wrong af. Sorry. You have yet to provide any evidence to your claim. The case you link shows no political motivation, but you've dodged acknowledging that. Certainly looking like a "feelings over facts" poster. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:942645580] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote> More just nitpicking the vague and awful title lol. "Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years" is just wrong af. Sorry.</quote> You have yet to provide any evidence to your claim. The case you link shows no political motivation, but you've dodged acknowledging that. Certainly looking like a "feelings over facts" poster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 07/27/20 12:35:47 PM #32:	Even if you could link 1-2 murders, it's still nothing compared to right wing extremists' numbers, --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:942645658] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Even if you could link 1-2 murders, it's still nothing compared to right wing extremists' numbers, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 07/27/20 3:38:55 PM #35:	Slayer_22 posted... No. Because it's just a straight faced lie. Like...it's just wrong. But is that based on facts and figures, it is it a gut/emotional reaction? Is there a source for what you're saying, or are you personally convinced of this being the case with no evidence to back it up? --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942653593] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>No. Because it's just a straight faced lie. Like...it's just wrong.</quote> But is that based on facts and figures, it is it a gut/emotional reaction? Is there a source for what you're saying, or are you personally convinced of this being the case with no evidence to back it up? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/27/20 6:26:10 PM #36:	@Slayer_22 will not come back to this, because he can't back it up. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:942660503] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>@Slayer_22 will not come back to this, because he can't back it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 07/27/20 6:27:34 PM #37:	I strongly feel that right wing and conservative media exaggerates anything antifa does. Wouldn't be surprised if it was really like 20 people not hurting anyone. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:942660550] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>I strongly feel that right wing and conservative media exaggerates anything antifa does. Wouldn't be surprised if it was really like 20 people not hurting anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 07/27/20 6:28:41 PM #38:	that's really cool --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta (hungry ghost) <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:942660583] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>that's really cool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 07/27/20 6:41:07 PM #39:	Liberals shouldnt be too dismissive of the Right portraying Antifa as the boogeyman. Its a good scapegoat for whenever protests get out of hand. Today there was a peaceful BLM demonstration until white antifa showed up, clashed with police & set fire to a Starbucks. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:942661034] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Liberals shouldnt be too dismissive of the Right portraying Antifa as the boogeyman. Its a good scapegoat for whenever protests get out of hand. Today there was a peaceful BLM demonstration until white antifa showed up, clashed with police & set fire to a Starbucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/27/20 6:43:20 PM #40:	but muh milkshakes right wing terrorism is the most dangerous form of terrorism in the US. facts don't care about your feelings ;) --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:942661108] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>but muh milkshakes right wing terrorism is the most dangerous form of terrorism in the US. facts don't care about your feelings ;) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/27/20 6:46:41 PM #41:	Matthew McConaughey Those Are Rookie Numbers Wolf of Wall Street dot gif --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:942661224] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Matthew McConaughey Those Are Rookie Numbers Wolf of Wall Street dot gif</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 07/27/20 6:49:38 PM #42:	Knew it. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:942661346] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Knew it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/27/20 7:03:50 PM #43:	Damn wheres all the usuals? @ohiostate124 @darkprince45 @gatorsPENSbucs @Gobstoppers12 etc --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:942661926] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Damn wheres all the usuals? @ohiostate124 @darkprince45 @gatorsPENSbucs @Gobstoppers12 etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 07/27/20 7:12:30 PM #45:	Since you tagged me: 1.) Nazis and White Supremacists are bad, too. 2.) The fact that there aren't any murders (according to the source) linked directly to self-proclaimed Antifa members doesn't absolve Antifa of all the bike locks, bricks, eggs, milkshakes, etc. thrown at people. Or the arson and rioting. Property damage. They're not saints just because they technically haven't murdered anybody. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:942662292] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Since you tagged me: 1.) Nazis and White Supremacists are bad, too. 2.) The fact that there aren't any murders (according to the source) linked directly to self-proclaimed Antifa members doesn't absolve Antifa of all the bike locks, bricks, eggs, milkshakes, etc. thrown at people. Or the arson and rioting. Property damage. They're not saints just because they technically haven't murdered anybody. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 07/27/20 7:20:09 PM #46:	MaxEffingBemis posted... Fascism isnt even a left ideology, right is. There is no such thing as far left fascism National Bolshevism (Nazbols), but fortunately they don't have a base in the US and aren't as immediate of a threat as far right fascist groups like Patriot Prayer, Proud Boys, Atomwaffen, etc. On topic, the argument is and has always been Antifa hasn't killed anyone in the name of their ideology. There's that dude in Oregon (literally the only instance chuds seem to reference) but the motive wasn't linked to antifascist ideology. Honestly y'all should be surprised antifascists haven't spilled blood considering how much violence is directed at them. Fortunately murder isn't exactly a leftist tactic here. --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:942662594] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>MaxEffingBemis posted... </cite> <quote>Fascism isnt even a left ideology, right is. There is no such thing as far left fascism</quote> National Bolshevism (Nazbols), but fortunately they don't have a base in the US and aren't as immediate of a threat as far right fascist groups like Patriot Prayer, Proud Boys, Atomwaffen, etc. On topic, the argument is and has always been Antifa hasn't killed anyone in the name of their ideology. There's that dude in Oregon (literally the only instance chuds seem to reference) but the motive wasn't linked to antifascist ideology. Honestly y'all should be surprised antifascists haven't spilled blood considering how much violence is directed at them. Fortunately murder isn't exactly a leftist tactic here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 7:43:32 PM #47:	Guide posted... You have yet to provide any evidence to your claim. The case you link shows no political motivation, but you've dodged acknowledging that. Certainly looking like a "feelings over facts" poster. It says "anti-fascists" not "anti-fascists related murders". The title is misleading, and I'm not willing to go through years and years of murders just to find a specific one related to it, because I don't really care enough about this. My point, as it has been from the beginning, is that the title of the article is incorrect(and the report itself is highly unsourced), and that is despite twisting the subject to it's point. It's borderline clickbait. RedWhiteBlue posted... Or, concede that neo nazi fascists are the ones causing the problems. They are causing murders, anyone could see that lol. Fuck those scumbags regardless of anything, I hope they rot. Guide posted... @Slayer_22 will not come back to this, because he can't back it up. I was working. Sorry I don't obsess over the site for hours at a time. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942663470] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted...</cite> <quote> You have yet to provide any evidence to your claim. The case you link shows no political motivation, but you've dodged acknowledging that. Certainly looking like a "feelings over facts" poster. </quote> It says "anti-fascists" not "anti-fascists related murders". The title is misleading, and I'm not willing to go through years and years of murders just to find a specific one related to it, because I don't really care enough about this. My point, as it has been from the beginning, is that the title of the article is incorrect(and the report itself is highly unsourced), and that is despite twisting the subject to it's point. It's borderline clickbait. RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Or, concede that neo nazi fascists are the ones causing the problems.</quote> They are causing murders, anyone could see that lol. Fuck those scumbags regardless of anything, I hope they rot. Guide posted...</cite> <quote>@Slayer_22 will not come back to this, because he can't back it up. </quote> I was working. Sorry I don't obsess over the site for hours at a time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 7:45:08 PM #48:	Slayer_22 posted... and I'm not willing to go through years and years of murders just to find a specific one related to it, So basically it doesn't exist. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942663532] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>and I'm not willing to go through years and years of murders just to find a specific one related to it,</quote> So basically it doesn't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 07/27/20 7:47:42 PM #49:	Tmaster148 posted... So basically it doesn't exist. Might not. I'm just saying I'm not going through it. But I gotta say, it's pretty silly to trust an unsourced report that starts with a biased statement. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:942663638] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> So basically it doesn't exist. </quote> Might not. I'm just saying I'm not going through it. But I gotta say, it's pretty silly to trust an unsourced report that starts with a biased statement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/27/20 7:48:38 PM #50:	Slayer_22 posted... Might not. I'm just saying I'm not going through it. But I gotta say, it's pretty silly to trust an unsourced report that starts with a biased statement. I'm sure you feel that the first statement is bias. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:942663689] in Anti-fasci... [t:78874665]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Might not. I'm just saying I'm not going through it. But I gotta say, it's pretty silly to trust an unsourced report that starts with a biased statement.</quote> I'm sure you feel that the first statement is bias. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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