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pegusus123456
07/21/20 6:15:15 PM
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I want you to imagine the first day of school.

Kids will get on the bus. They will be packed together, because the district (like many) has ruled that it is too expensive and time-consuming to do staggered bussing. They will be excited to see their friends, and they will talk, share items, and do all the things they missed doing on the bus, and this will be great for their emotional health. Eventually some of them will take off their masks, because one or two kids didn't come with one to begin with, and who's scared of this thing anyway?

And so, before 10am, you have had your first super-spreader event in the district. No, the kids may not all get sick, but a few of them will. A few of those will die, as we've seen in news reports. They probably won't be your child, so this does not matter to you. It is a sacrifice you were prepared to make.

Kids will enter school. If this is done in a staggered manner, we will lose significant instructional time. Kids will sit at their desks, and if they are in a Title I school where most parents can not afford to stay home and support kids during Digital Learning, we will have at least 80% of the population in the classroom. A classroom with truly socially distanced desks can seat about 8 people. Realistically, we will have 25-30 children packed together. Some of them will play with their masks or, if their parents are anti-mask, they will refuse to have those masks on.

A teacher will now have to teach in a classroom where they are no longer allowed to have group activities, so vital for young learners, unless they are in a contactless digital format. Hopefully the school will have enough computers for those students without their own devices. Hopefully the teacher will be able to maneuver quickly enough to stop students from Snapchatting their friends, or logging on to any number of non-educational websites, so that they can do their lesson.

A teacher will also have to choose between instructing effectively and protecting themselves and the people they may care for at home. Proximity is key to classroom management. Social distancing is not compatible with it. Students who do not wear masks may see reduced teacher attention, because again, teachers are being asked to choose between their health and their effectiveness.

Lunchtime arrives. Students have to take their masks off to eat. In my district, we will be eating in classrooms, and my school's windows do not open. Staggered lunches do not help once the masks are off and students are eating and talking and, because they miss their friends, clustering together. A teacher will have to choose between eating, separating students, and their health.

Time to change classes. If students are the ones transitioning, instead of a teacher rotating between classrooms, we lose valuable instructional time to sanitizing. Do we have enough wipes and sprays to sanitize four or more times a day? Hopefully you donated some, because now a teacher may have to choose between their finances and everyone's health.

Novel study time. Do we have enough books for 100+ middle schoolers? Don't make me laugh. Every student will need to sanitize before and after touching a book. You won't pay for ebooks and you won't pay for physical books, but we hope you will donate hand sanitizer.

Chorus. Orchestra. Band. Theatre. These teachers are talking about reducing class sizes to 80+ in middle and high schools. To 30+ in elementary. Reducing them. For their safety.

Time to go home. Students get on the bus again. A second super-spreader event occurs across the district.

Now, let's talk about how things go after Day 1:
A child tests positive for COVID-19. The parents fear retaliation from peers and do not report it to the school; they just keep their child at home and hope it blows over.

A child is sick with fever. A parent gives them Tylenol and sends them to school.

A child who interacted with the child whose parents did not report tests positive and parents report this. Students and teachers that interacted with the child have to quarantine for 14 days. (Teachers are also required at this point to use their own sick time, too). That's 14 days of the Digital Learning we were trying to avoid in the first place. In middle school, if a teacher tests positive, that will mean 100+ kids are staying home with parents, and all of their teachers, too. This will happen again and again. All of the promised consistency, routine, structure, everything you wanted for your children, is gone, and you are not prepared to help them with DL.

A child in a community with high COVID-19 exposure becomes sick with MIS-C. More children contract MIS-C. This was a sacrifice you did not realize you were making, but it does not affect your child, so it does not concern you.

Now for the community spread.

The virus will find many opportunities to flourish in a school, no matter how carefully the teachers and staff strive to curb it. The resources simply are not being given to them. Children will spread the virus to parents, siblings, grandparents (especially in multigenerational homes), and inevitably, people who shop and work outside of their homes. Teachers will bring it home to their families, putting all, especially high risk, family members at risk of death. The spike we see now, that began in June, will pale in comparison to what follows.

And some teachers, nurses, custodians, cafeteria workers, paras, clerical staff, and principals will die. But that's a footnote to you; what about the learning outcomes? The academic gains?

Well? What will those be?

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DarthAragorn
07/21/20 6:35:38 PM
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Not wrong

I'm a college student and worried about how the fuck that will possibly work this semester
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Turtlemayor333
07/21/20 6:49:22 PM
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tremain07
07/21/20 7:00:02 PM
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There's also the threats of students fighting, or students bringing gun or students intentionally infecting each other with Corona because the youth are fools and their world is not all that big oh and of course due to the missed material the lessons are either going to be ineffective or the class will be rushed through their lessons effectively skipping a grade of material they should know for the next grade they're going to next year.

It's going to be fucking chaos, a slaughter and all because of apathetic governors who felt this wasn't their problem nor their donor's problems because they're all rich people with way better options than the poor.

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Duncanwii
07/21/20 7:09:31 PM
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Kids need education. They arent adults or even teenagers, their information processing works differently. Children have a very small window to develop skills that they need to survive and if you go past that window it may be difficult or impossible for them to learn.
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MFBKBass5
07/21/20 7:11:09 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Kids need education. They arent adults or even teenagers, their information processing works differently. Children have a very small window to develop skills that they need to survive and if you go past that window it may be difficult or impossible for them to learn.


Learning doesnt have to always happen in a classroom with 29 other kids.

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pegusus123456
07/21/20 7:14:35 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Kids need education. They arent adults or even teenagers, their information processing works differently. Children have a very small window to develop skills that they need to survive and if you go past that window it may be difficult or impossible for them to learn.
So you missed half the point of the post, got it.

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Blue_Dream87
07/21/20 7:20:25 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Kids need education. They arent adults or even teenagers, their information processing works differently. Children have a very small window to develop skills that they need to survive and if you go past that window it may be difficult or impossible for them to learn.

We went how many thousands of years without primary schooling? Seems everyone was mentally stunted and we accomplished absolutely nothing

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Antifar
07/21/20 7:21:46 PM
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There's no use engaging with Duncanwii, who is playing stupid.
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Duncanwii
07/21/20 7:24:31 PM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...


We went how many thousands of years without primary schooling? Seems everyone was mentally stunted and we accomplished absolutely nothing

For a lot of those thousands of years people considered children tiny adults and never bothered to teach them skills they need. Our society is better because we taught our children skills, allowed them to socialize, and realized they cannot do everything an adult can.
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Solid Snake07
07/21/20 7:26:31 PM
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You can't send kids back to school this fall

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HiddenRoar
07/21/20 7:26:42 PM
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Look, I wouldn't complain much if Hawaii kept out the estimated ~8000 domestic/international students coming for the Fall semester.

But apparently the need for academics and higher learning, as explained by college admin (and foolishly agreed to by the mayor(s)), trumps the health of the local community.

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Ch33z_I_Luv
07/21/20 7:31:28 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Kids need education. They arent adults or even teenagers, their information processing works differently. Children have a very small window to develop skills that they need to survive and if you go past that window it may be difficult or impossible for them to learn.

You're not wrong, but sending them all back right now will be a death sentence for countless Americans. There honestly isn't a good option here. The education budget has been shredded, so they don't have the resources to coordinate a safe way of returning.

Had our nation's "leaders" simply listened to the experts and followed their advice from the start, we wouldn't be in as a deep a hole. If wearing a mask wasn't immediately politicized, and we all just did it, we could maybe talk about returning to school safely. Right now I honestly don't see a safe way of going about this.
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Duncanwii
07/21/20 7:39:04 PM
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Antifar posted...
There's no use engaging with Duncanwii, who is playing stupid.

What have I said that is wrong?
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Blue_Dream87
07/21/20 7:43:23 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
For a lot of those thousands of years people considered children tiny adults and never bothered to teach them skills they need. Our society is better because we taught our children skills, allowed them to socialize, and realized they cannot do everything an adult can.

Hunting/gathering aren't skills? Also maybe we should let kids become adults without murdering them and their families

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LightningAce11
07/21/20 7:45:58 PM
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Duncan's biggest issue this year was that he couldn't go to subway during lockdown. Don't take him seriously when it comes to anything, even pokemon.
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DarthAragorn
07/21/20 7:48:58 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
What have I said that is wrong?
what have you said that isn't wrong
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DeathDeathSong
07/21/20 7:56:15 PM
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duncan literally got warned for saying he didnt care if people died idk why you guys are responding to him

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Politics
07/21/20 7:58:29 PM
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I still don't really see why they can't just learn from home. I was home schooled from the 5th grade to the 8th grade and I did a lot of it independently, I ended up eventually getting a Masters Degree and have had plenty of hot fuck buddies so I don't really see how this ruined my life >_>

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Ruvan22
07/21/20 7:59:40 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
Look, I wouldn't complain much if Hawaii kept out the estimated ~8000 domestic/international students coming for the Fall semester.

But apparently the need for academics and higher learning, as explained by college admin (and foolishly agreed to by the mayor(s)), trumps the health of the local community.

So because that is happening.. you don't mind all the under 18 kids going back to school?
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LightBurn
07/21/20 7:59:53 PM
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Antifar posted...
There's no use engaging with Duncanwii, who is playing stupid.

Antifar posted...
playing

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Unsugarized_Foo
07/21/20 8:00:38 PM
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Just send all the vulnerable people to the Baja peninsula and take over

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Ving_Rhames
07/21/20 8:01:28 PM
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Isnt Duncan like 15 or something?

He's a kid himself, he doesn't truly understand or comprehend the ramifications and at his age the chances of him having any semblance of foresight (Which is vital for realizing that school in Fall is a death sentence for this countries recovery) is pretty unlikely as well.

Cut em some slack!

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DarthAragorn
07/21/20 8:02:40 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Isnt Duncan like 15 or something?

He's a kid himself, he doesn't truly understand or comprehend the ramifications and at his age the chances of him having any semblance of foresight (Which is vital for realizing that school in Fall is a death sentence for this countries recovery) is pretty unlikely as well.

Cut em some slack!
no

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DezDroppedFreak
07/21/20 8:05:38 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Isnt Duncan like 15 or something?

He's a kid himself, he doesn't truly understand or comprehend the ramifications and at his age the chances of him having any semblance of foresight (Which is vital for realizing that school in Fall is a death sentence for this countries recovery) is pretty unlikely as well.

Cut em some slack!
He is at least 30

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DeathDeathSong
07/21/20 8:15:58 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Isnt Duncan like 15 or something?
hes mid to late 30s

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Questionmarktarius
07/21/20 8:20:00 PM
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"novel study time"?
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SwordMaster13X
07/21/20 8:20:57 PM
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I believe Duncan just turned 30 or is still 29

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Ving_Rhames
07/21/20 8:21:16 PM
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Pfffftttt hahahahaha

you gotta be kiddin me!

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lincoln002
07/21/20 8:30:45 PM
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Yeah this is going to be a huge mess, I'm pretty sure the parents don't want to send the kids to School either. Best option is like politics said home school, could be a really great experience for the kids honestly, definitely the safest.

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LightHawKnight
07/21/20 8:32:51 PM
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duncan is a troll that thinks staying home to save lives is living hell.

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IronWolf87
07/21/20 8:38:53 PM
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Don't care, 'conomy.
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iPhone_7
07/21/20 8:49:43 PM
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Instead of grossing each other out with cooties its gonna be coronavirus.

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Ima give you the corona!

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