Current Events > can someone help me understand how 'mechanical time' is specific to 'whiteness'?

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https://www.cato-unbound.org/print-issue/487

Nevertheless, as I endeavor to make clear, large-scale capitalism is just as much an agency of homogenization, uniformity, grids, and heroic simplification as the state, with the difference that, for capitalists, simplification must pay. The profit motive compels a level of simplification and tunnel vision that, if anything, is more heroic that the early scientific forest of Germany. In this respect, the conclusions I draw from the failures of modern social engineering are as applicable to market-driven standardization as they are to bureaucratic homogeneity.

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Herodopus posted...

honestly it's p self-centered to take my showing up 5 minutes late as disrespect. aside from like, urgent matters idk why punctuality is such a huge thing for schools/workplaces

...Because showing up late is distracting, important messages missed (and have to be repeated), the meeting taking longer, and ultimately, showing up late without a valid excuse is just poor planning skills.

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g980 posted...

I suppose. Are you suggesting that a socialist society wouldnt care for punctuality? I feel like punctuality is necessary for any organized society.

Thinking about the USSR is exactly why I conceded the point. They probably cared about punctuality a good deal. Which is why I think the divide is more urban vs rural and industrial vs agrarian and local vs regional/global than capitalist vs not.

A truly socialist (workers fully owning and operating the means of production) society would probably care less than we care now, how much less is open for debate.

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ledbowman posted...

a lot of liberals have infantilized black people to the point they (the libs) don't even think they should be held accountable for anything

I don't know who is doing it, but it is a micro-aggression. We need to hold everyone to the same (or equitable) standard. By saying 'it's okay they are late, they are black' is basically implying that being black means they are naturally late.

It is no different than saying 'X speaks so beautifully for a person from India.'

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MaverickXeo posted...

It is no different than saying 'X speaks so beautifully for a person from India.'

Or Biden saying it's storybook that Barack Obama was an articulate African-American.

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MaverickXeo posted...

I don't know who is doing it, but it is a micro-aggression. We need to hold everyone to the same (or equitable) standard. By saying 'it's okay they are late, they are black' is basically implying that being black means they are naturally late.

It is no different than saying 'X speaks so beautifully for a person from India.'

This isn't true at all. It's only a microaggression if you're keeping the same assumption that late=lazy. If not, it's not. And the type of "equity" that you're talking about doesn't lead to anything actually good for anyone. Sometimes people think differently or have different material circumstances, allowing for that isn't a microaggression or bigotry of low expectations or anything like that. There's no implication of genetic lateness even in what you said, that's something you added yourself.

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The concept of time itself is deeply embedded in whiteness and the patriarchy.

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philsov posted...

Redlining was done along racial lines. Low income whites got home loans while middle class blacks did not.

Therefore it very much a racial bias performed through socio-economic disparity.

Absolutely, as I said, the outcomes we have today are indeed born of racist policy that strove for the outcome we have today. I do think it is important to understand where all this came from, but I think we do ourselves ill good to attribute the secondary effects to the racist origins. Making allowances for lateness do to race isn't going to solve racism or the reasons why they are being late. For progress we need to address the actual problem and and not just what lead us on this path.

Trying to figure out how to stop a meteor from causing an ice age isn't going to bring the dinosaurs back and fixing racism isn't going to solve the actual current issue that is economic disparity.

Granted, I've been distracted, but I read through this whole topic and feel like I have no idea what anyone is talking about.

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You'll find that a lot of people "on the side" of races tend to very racist about the races they pretend to support. However, PC has created this weird thing where it sometimes seems like whites are more likely to be called to task for being late than blacks.

And there's really no good justification for allowing lateness. And, if you allow it, people will be far more likely to do do it.

Oh, and fun side-note: Apparently you can't use the word for the state of being tardy (ie, a synonym for lateness) because Gamefaqs's fucking stupid moronic auto-censor -- which is among the worst on the internet -- flags it as being a mental disability slur.


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Zeus posted...

it sometimes seems like whites are more likely to be called to task for being late than blacks

i wish somebody would make this a discourse or whatever on twitter. it would be extremely funny

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Anteaterking posted...

Granted, I've been distracted, but I read through this whole topic and feel like I have no idea what anyone is talking about.

This is one of the most bizarre topics Ive seen on CE in a while.