Current Events > More evil fictional corporation: Umbrella or Shinra?

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WaterLink 07/17/20 5:04:17 AM #1:	Topic title Umbrella Shinra Topic title - Results (15 votes) Umbrella 86.67% (13 votes) 13 Shinra 13.33% (2 votes) 2 Title says it all --- https://imgur.com/TFF3Nn8 Joe Burrow, the legend <cite>WaterLink posted [p:942221505] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote> Topic title Umbrella Shinra Vote View Results Topic title - Results (15 votes) Umbrella 86.67% (13 votes) 13 Shinra 13.33% (2 votes) 2 Show Voting Form Title says it all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Brilliant 07/17/20 5:08:23 AM #2:	Umbrella. They just wanted to kill people. Shinra was typical dystopian mega corp. --- Shining like the sun <cite>Brilliant posted [p:942221557] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Umbrella. They just wanted to kill people. Shinra was typical dystopian mega corp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 07/17/20 5:10:00 AM #3:	From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right? Umbrella just commits crimes against humanity for the sake of it. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:942221575] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right? Umbrella just commits crimes against humanity for the sake of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Brilliant 07/17/20 5:12:56 AM #4:	pegusus123456 posted... From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right? Umbrella just commits crimes against humanity for the sake of it. You're getting shinra and avalanche mixed up. Shinra was the bad guys, you (cloud et al) were part of the extremist group. --- Shining like the sun <cite>Brilliant posted [p:942221603] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite> <quote>From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right? Umbrella just commits crimes against humanity for the sake of it.</quote>You're getting shinra and avalanche mixed up. Shinra was the bad guys, you (cloud et al) were part of the extremist group. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 07/17/20 5:14:25 AM #5:	Brilliant posted... Umbrella. They just wanted to kill people. Shinra was typical dystopian mega corp. Is it really that simple? Let me remind you that Shinra dropped the sector 7 plate. Basically killing an entire 1/8 of its population to attempt to kill like 3 people. Not to mention knowing they're draining the life force of the planet which would kill everyone else so their elite members can have their assigned places in the promised land. They weren't just some ill informed money hungry company --- https://imgur.com/TFF3Nn8 Joe Burrow, the legend <cite>WaterLink posted [p:942221626] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Brilliant posted...</cite> <quote>Umbrella. They just wanted to kill people. Shinra was typical dystopian mega corp. </quote> Is it really that simple? Let me remind you that Shinra dropped the sector 7 plate. Basically killing an entire 1/8 of its population to attempt to kill like 3 people. Not to mention knowing they're draining the life force of the planet which would kill everyone else so their elite members can have their assigned places in the promised land. They weren't just some ill informed money hungry company</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Brilliant 07/17/20 5:28:59 AM #6:	Honestly, I don't know how all of the story has been expanded on since the original game. In it I felt they were mainly out for profit and were merely taking advantage of occurrences as they popped up. I also never really knew if they thought it was probable they could use up all the mako or if they thought they could always find more. This could be more my interpretation of them as a mirror to rampant industrialization and not have enough of it based on story elements. --- Shining like the sun <cite>Brilliant posted [p:942221782] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I don't know how all of the story has been expanded on since the original game. In it I felt they were mainly out for profit and were merely taking advantage of occurrences as they popped up. I also never really knew if they thought it was probable they could use up all the mako or if they thought they could always find more. This could be more my interpretation of them as a mirror to rampant industrialization and not have enough of it based on story elements. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/17/20 5:31:06 AM #7:	One k8lled and mutated people and animals with virus, the other did it with magic. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:942221819] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>One k8lled and mutated people and animals with virus, the other did it with magic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 07/17/20 5:39:13 AM #8:	Spencer would have traded all of humanity for immortality. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L @ me and ask me about my cool shirt! <cite>Middle hope posted [p:942221904] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Spencer would have traded all of humanity for immortality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 07/17/20 6:37:00 AM #9:	pegusus123456 posted... From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right? pre-Rufus Shinra is as evil as Umbrella. Rufus is a better person than his father (do we even know his name?), but still suffer from megalomania. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:942222589] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite> <quote>From the little I know of Shinra, they at least well-intentioned extremists, right?</quote> pre-Rufus Shinra is as evil as Umbrella. Rufus is a better person than his father (do we even know his name?), but still suffer from megalomania. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 07/17/20 7:20:18 AM #10:	Foppe posted... One k8lled and mutated people and animals with virus, the other did it with magic. It's not really a 1:1 comparison. For staters Shinra started out as a weapons manufacturing company and later moved to energy and kept branching out. Umbrella on the other hand was founded with the purpose of forcing human evolution with BOW's being a means to fund the research and pharmaceuticals being a front. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:942223117] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite> <quote>One k8lled and mutated people and animals with virus, the other did it with magic.</quote>It's not really a 1:1 comparison. For staters Shinra started out as a weapons manufacturing company and later moved to energy and kept branching out. Umbrella on the other hand was founded with the purpose of forcing human evolution with BOW's being a means to fund the research and pharmaceuticals being a front. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 07/17/20 7:22:26 AM #11:	I voted Umbrella but looking at the wider picture/long term consequences, probably should have voted Shinra. Because of them, Jenova was excavated, they literally created Sephiroth and the whole planet was going to crumble as a result of their Mako energy program. --- https://imgtc.com/i/OAltYFG.gif https://imgtc.com/i/qTmQUCd.gif https://imgtc.com/i/Xdeqr0q.gif <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:942223147] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>I voted Umbrella but looking at the wider picture/long term consequences, probably should have voted Shinra. Because of them, Jenova was excavated, they literally created Sephiroth and the whole planet was going to crumble as a result of their Mako energy program. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 07/17/20 7:23:24 AM #12:	Middle hope posted... Spencer would have traded all of humanity for immortality. And Shinra would have traded it for a bit of electricity. --- https://imgtc.com/i/OAltYFG.gif https://imgtc.com/i/qTmQUCd.gif https://imgtc.com/i/Xdeqr0q.gif <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:942223162] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Middle hope posted... </cite> <quote>Spencer would have traded all of humanity for immortality.</quote> And Shinra would have traded it for a bit of electricity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 07/17/20 7:41:22 AM #13:	Shinra imo as if I remember correctly their actions were hurting the planet possibly killing it. Umbrella only killed people and animals as far as I know. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:942223396] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Shinra imo as if I remember correctly their actions were hurting the planet possibly killing it. Umbrella only killed people and animals as far as I know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/17/20 8:27:14 AM #14:	Technically Umbrella's goal is to create the perfect humans led by them. They only created bioweapons to help fund their research. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:942224304] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Technically Umbrella's goal is to create the perfect humans led by them. They only created bioweapons to help fund their research. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 07/17/20 8:35:59 AM #15:	we have mega corporations today that are actively and knowingly doing all they can to kill the planet. we dont have any corporations making zombies for fun and profit. gonna have to vote umbrella. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:942224466] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>we have mega corporations today that are actively and knowingly doing all they can to kill the planet. we dont have any corporations making zombies for fun and profit. gonna have to vote umbrella. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tired-Insomniac 07/17/20 8:37:39 AM #16:	WaterLink posted... Let me remind you that Shinra dropped the sector 7 plate. Basically killing an entire 1/8 of its population to attempt to kill like 3 people Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them --- "I like turtles" <cite>Tired-Insomniac posted [p:942224499] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>WaterLink posted... </cite> <quote>Let me remind you that Shinra dropped the sector 7 plate. Basically killing an entire 1/8 of its population to attempt to kill like 3 people</quote> Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/17/20 8:43:08 AM #17:	Tired-Insomniac posted... Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them Yep. It was a two-for-one deal. Doesn't really make it better though. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942224633] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Tired-Insomniac posted... </cite> <quote>Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them</quote>Yep. It was a two-for-one deal. Doesn't really make it better though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 07/17/20 8:45:47 AM #18:	Tired-Insomniac posted... Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them Yes also it's more like 1/7 because people like to forget that Sector 6 was never finished. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:942224691] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Tired-Insomniac posted... </cite> <quote>Wasn't it done to blame Avalanche and turn anyone who might have been on their side against them</quote>Yes also it's more like 1/7 because people like to forget that Sector 6 was never finished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 07/17/20 9:00:33 AM #19:	monkmith posted... we have mega corporations today that are actively and knowingly doing all they can to kill the planet. we dont have any corporations making zombies for fun and profit. gonna have to vote umbrella. The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse. --- https://imgtc.com/i/OAltYFG.gif https://imgtc.com/i/qTmQUCd.gif https://imgtc.com/i/Xdeqr0q.gif <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:942225044] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>we have mega corporations today that are actively and knowingly doing all they can to kill the planet. we dont have any corporations making zombies for fun and profit. gonna have to vote umbrella.</quote> The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 07/17/20 9:02:11 AM #20:	Umbrella is essentially "lol we can't stop being evil" --- take me somewhere nice "Miss, can you tell me your address? I need an address...I need an address, so we can send help." <cite>EverDownward posted [p:942225083] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Umbrella is essentially "lol we can't stop being evil" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 07/17/20 9:02:49 AM #21:	SpiritSephiroth posted... The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse. and in a world where the planet has giant godzilla monsters to fight back against the humans, i see that as more reasonable then a mirror image world like ours where a corporation decides to make super zombies for shits and giggles. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:942225101] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted... </cite> <quote>The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse.</quote>and in a world where the planet has giant godzilla monsters to fight back against the humans, i see that as more reasonable then a mirror image world like ours where a corporation decides to make super zombies for shits and giggles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/17/20 9:06:59 AM #22:	I voted Umbrella, but it was close. I while Shinra did drop the sector seven plate. Umbrella tried to infect a whole country. And some people have brought up the world dying. Do they really know that. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:942225207] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>I voted Umbrella, but it was close. I while Shinra did drop the sector seven plate. Umbrella tried to infect a whole country. And some people have brought up the world dying. Do they really know that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetsuZaiZen 07/17/20 9:07:20 AM #23:	Evil Corp --- Why do nerdsalways get caught up on the details? https://imgur.com/dntQM https://imgur.com/9gNcUGM https://imgur.com/bH8vq3f <cite>RetsuZaiZen posted [p:942225218] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Evil Corp </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/17/20 9:08:08 AM #24:	Brilliant posted... Honestly, I don't know how all of the story has been expanded on since the original game. In it I felt they were mainly out for profit and were merely taking advantage of occurrences as they popped up. I also never really knew if they thought it was probable they could use up all the mako or if they thought they could always find more. This could be more my interpretation of them as a mirror to rampant industrialization and not have enough of it based on story elements. bold of you to assume that real-life corporations destroying the planet for profit are purely ignorant rather than malicious --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:942225235] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Brilliant posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly, I don't know how all of the story has been expanded on since the original game. In it I felt they were mainly out for profit and were merely taking advantage of occurrences as they popped up. I also never really knew if they thought it was probable they could use up all the mako or if they thought they could always find more. This could be more my interpretation of them as a mirror to rampant industrialization and not have enough of it based on story elements.</quote>bold of you to assume that real-life corporations destroying the planet for profit are purely ignorant rather than malicious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/17/20 9:08:16 AM #25:	Umbrella did some pretty horrible stuff on a personal level but Shinra was far more destructive long term. If you just capitulate to both companies and give both of them everything they wanted, the end result for Umbrella is some disturbing bioweapons, genocide, and corporate fascism. Shinra achieves total extinction of all life in the pursuit of a promised land that doesn't really exist. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942225242] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Umbrella did some pretty horrible stuff on a personal level but Shinra was far more destructive long term. If you just capitulate to both companies and give both of them everything they wanted, the end result for Umbrella is some disturbing bioweapons, genocide, and corporate fascism. Shinra achieves total extinction of all life in the pursuit of a promised land that doesn't really exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/17/20 9:08:45 AM #26:	monkmith posted... and in a world where the planet has giant godzilla monsters to fight back against the humans, i see that as more reasonable then a mirror image world like ours where a corporation decides to make super zombies for shits and giggles. Did we know about those Godzilla monsters? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:942225249] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>and in a world where the planet has giant godzilla monsters to fight back against the humans, i see that as more reasonable then a mirror image world like ours where a corporation decides to make super zombies for shits and giggles.</quote>Did we know about those Godzilla monsters? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/17/20 9:09:16 AM #27:	cjsdowg posted... And some people have brought up the world dying. Do they really know that. The ending is disappointingly vague (~~there still~~ IS ~~a planet but that's pretty much all we know~~) but it's kind of a moot point, since whether their manufactured catastrophe was averted was outside of their control. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942225261] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite> <quote>And some people have brought up the world dying. Do they really know that.</quote>The ending is disappointingly vague (there still IS a planet but that's pretty much all we know) but it's kind of a moot point, since whether their manufactured catastrophe was averted was outside of their control. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/17/20 9:16:02 AM #28:	Shrina is more evil Umbrella is more incompetent --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:942225409] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Shrina is more evil Umbrella is more incompetent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banana_Cyanide 07/17/20 10:26:49 AM #29:	SpiritSephiroth posted... The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse. Again this is said as if they knew what Joenova was which they didn't. As far as they knew she was an Ancient that they could use to Les Enfants Terribles their way to The Promised Land. As for the G-Project or DEEPGROUND only a handful of those within Shinra itself were involved which were President Shinra, Hojo, Scarlet, and Heidegger. Rufus never knew because the transfer of power was so quick and Rufus ran roughshod over everyone immediately that they didn't get the chance to. and this is opposed to Umbrella where literally half of the company was involved in BOW R&D while the other half was used to put on a convincing front without them knowing and is how Blue Umbrella got started. --- Who knew bananas could be so lethal? Proud member of The Church of The Man-Emperor of Mankind. <cite>Banana_Cyanide posted [p:942227419] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted... </cite> <quote>The SOLDIER program, G-project, Jenova project and turning people into monsters. Shinra was the cause of all of that. They literally had their own monster from 'THE THING' and started injecting it into people causing one of their soldiers to almost literally cause the apocalypse.</quote>Again this is said as if they knew what Joenova was which they didn't. As far as they knew she was an Ancient that they could use to Les Enfants Terribles their way to The Promised Land. As for the G-Project or DEEPGROUND only a handful of those within Shinra itself were involved which were President Shinra, Hojo, Scarlet, and Heidegger. Rufus never knew because the transfer of power was so quick and Rufus ran roughshod over everyone immediately that they didn't get the chance to. and this is opposed to Umbrella where literally half of the company was involved in BOW R&D while the other half was used to put on a convincing front without them knowing and is how Blue Umbrella got started. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fohstick 07/17/20 10:27:19 AM #30:	Shrina literally did nothing wrong <cite>fohstick posted [p:942227437] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Shrina literally did nothing wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 07/17/20 12:55:32 PM #31:	^ I think you also have to take into account the influences each company had. Shinra basically subdued the proud Wutai and turned their town into a tourist destination. They constructed a large city on top of existing towns and stripped the old towns names away and assigned them numbers. They had reactors in just about every other city which led to places like Corel having its citizens lose work and then the city was burned down and the citizens gunned down by Shinra just because the reactor blew up. Same thing happened in Nibelheim although that was more Sephiroth going rogue than Shinra doing it, although they still sent people there to act as if nothing happened to cover the tracks. In short, they basically control the world and are a de facto government which is why they're able to get away with so much blatant evil shit. Umbrella has funding and military resources but they don't have global influence and much of their work is done in the shadows. The outbreaks outside their facilities were also accidental IIRC, I dont think it was their intention to spread the virus like that but it leaked out. At least from what I've played so far (0-4 and I'm most of the way through CVX) --- https://imgur.com/TFF3Nn8 Joe Burrow, the legend <cite>WaterLink posted [p:942232732] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>^ I think you also have to take into account the influences each company had. Shinra basically subdued the proud Wutai and turned their town into a tourist destination. They constructed a large city on top of existing towns and stripped the old towns names away and assigned them numbers. They had reactors in just about every other city which led to places like Corel having its citizens lose work and then the city was burned down and the citizens gunned down by Shinra just because the reactor blew up. Same thing happened in Nibelheim although that was more Sephiroth going rogue than Shinra doing it, although they still sent people there to act as if nothing happened to cover the tracks. In short, they basically control the world and are a de facto government which is why they're able to get away with so much blatant evil shit. Umbrella has funding and military resources but they don't have global influence and much of their work is done in the shadows. The outbreaks outside their facilities were also accidental IIRC, I dont think it was their intention to spread the virus like that but it leaked out. At least from what I've played so far (0-4 and I'm most of the way through CVX)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 07/17/20 1:01:14 PM #32:	Big picture, I gotta go with Shinra. They're the only corporation on that planet, and there's a reason for that --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:942232956] in More evil ... [t:78852463]...</cite> <quote>Big picture, I gotta go with Shinra. They're the only corporation on that planet, and there's a reason for that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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