Current Events > Are Marxists just using black people in the BLM movement?

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This parody video shared on the other topic made me wonder. I heard people say BLM was founded by Marxists before, but brushed it aside as conservative propaganda. However, I looked it up, and the founders literally called themselves "trained Marxists."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIDRSOw-ATE&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8

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God youre fighting so hard for the position of one of the worst shitposters on this site

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To assume Black people cant believe in the tenets of Marxism is some next-level brain dead racism

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Why am I not surprised the Marxists on this board are mad?

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

To assume Black people cant believe in the tenets of Marxism is some next-level brain dead racism

Especially considering many of the most prominent black Civil Rights leaders were Marxists or at least socialists.

example:



MLK also considered himself a socialist.


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Squall28 posted...

Why am I not surprised the Marxists on this board are mad?

Am I a Marxist now?

also, jews/marxists are manipulating people of color for their agenda is an age-old anti-semitic and racist meme

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The person on the Board of Directors for the company that handles donations for BLM is a convicted terrorist and communist.

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ASithLord7 posted...

Am I a Marxist now?

also, jews/marxists are manipulating people of color for their agenda is an age-old anti-semitic and racist meme

Are you not? What economic policies do you support? I don't keep track of my haters. I'm sorry.

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Squall28 posted...

Are you not? What economic policies do you support? I don't keep track of my haters. I'm sorry.

Explain what you have against Marxism, exactly, in order that I may dispel your misconceptions of it.

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Godnorgosh posted...

TC, have you heard of Huey Newton? Fred Hampton? Angela Davis? bell hooks?

Gonna venture to guess he does not know who any of those people are and just shit this topic out to stir people up.

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Shablagoo posted...

Explain what you have against Marxism, exactly, in order that I may dispel your misconceptions of it.

It doesn't work in the real world.

Government-run organizations suck, and they won't do a better job with the money.

I believe the success of a country is more based on its technological innovation of its greatest minds and not just manual labor. Capitalism is a better for these minds.

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Squall28 posted...

It doesn't work in the real world.

What does this mean? Ive heard the platitude a lot but Id like to hear it elaborated upon. Do other political systems work in the real world iyo? I mean, the world is and always has been filled with untold misery. Does that mean no systems work in the real world?

Government-run organizations suck, and they won't do a better job with the money.

What does this have to do with Marxism?

Additionally, the government has been responsible for some of the worlds most notable creations, like the internet that we are discoursing across right now.

I believe the success of a country is more based on its technological innovation of its greatest minds and not just manual labor.

Is this meant as a criticism of Marxism? Marxism is not against technological innovation, in fact it is in favor of it. You realize that great minds working is also part of the labor that is talked about in Marxist theory, no? Marxism says that great minds should have some control over their work rather than some other person who invested already-owned capital into their ideas. An example is how Bill Gates became mega-rich simply by putting other great minds ideas together, while the great minds who came up with said ideas never were rewarded accordingly for their innovations. Marxism says that is unfair.

Capitalism is a better for these minds.

What minds? Like the person who created penicillin (one of the worlds greatest inventions/discoveries) and then gave the patent away for free? It doesnt seem like they were driven by a profit motive.


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Why is it always said that a group is using black people? Democrats are using them, socialists are using them, etc. As if they arent allowed to have their own opinions or political ideology?


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Shablagoo posted...

What does this mean? Ive heard the platitude a lot but Id like to hear it elaborated upon. Do other political systems work in the real world iyo? I mean, the world is and always has been filled with untold misery. Does that mean no systems work in the real world?

I'm only going to address because the rest of your post is going on the assumption that it works. Working in the real world means success. Your government isn't taken over by a dictator because you gave the government too much power. People actually end up equal and living comfortably. Your innovation doesn't get stifled.

What country has achieved this?

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701026/russians-life-better-soviet-union-ussr-sixty-four-percent/amp

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

https://www.telesurenglish.net/amp/news/Most-Russians-Prefer-Return-of-Soviet-Union-and-Socialism-Poll-20160420-0051.html

Anyway, be nice to see you also address all the famous black Marxist/socialist civil rights leaders that have been brought up ITT. You should have time, given that you refused to respond to 90% of my post for some made-up reason. Not to mention its more on-topic than what we are discussing.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Why is it always said that a group is using black people? Democrats are using them, socialists are using them, etc. As if they arent allowed to have their own opinions or political ideology?

Yeah, I know, it's so weird! It's like people who think that are, well...you know...

praxis is capitalizing the b in black

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Marxism has inherent appeal to the bottom of the economic pile, regardless of other demographics.

Yeah I'm not going to talk with someone who thinks the USSR is a success.

Also, you can be a civic leader and be Marxist. I'm not disputing that. The question is on the individual. This topic is not accusing these leaders. It's asking.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Why is it always said that a group is using black people? Democrats are using them, socialists are using them, etc. As if they arent allowed to have their own opinions or political ideology?

Because Democrats and leftists want their vote. That's it. That's all they need.

Blacks have historically almost always been Republican and hold conservative values such as pro-life, strong family, religion, etc.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

The person on the Board of Directors for the company that handles donations for BLM is a convicted terrorist and communist.

Yeah, and you're tagged as a Nazi downplayer.

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Squall28 posted...

Yeah I'm not going to talk with someone who thinks the USSR is a success.

Also, you can be a civic leader and be Marxist. I'm not disputing that. The question is on the individual. This topic is not accusing these leaders. It's asking.

I didnt say it was a success; the people who lived in it find it better to the alternative of neoliberalism.

And yeah, its clear youre not able to respond to much of anything anyone has to say.

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Would this explain them targeting and burning down private corperations like Wendy's, and Target?

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Blacks have historically almost always been Republican

"Historically" here excludes the period during which most black people have been allowed to vote.
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MrMallard posted...

Yeah, and you're tagged as a Nazi downplayer.

I just tagged you as a Nazi downplayer as well. That makes it true!

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No as those Marxists are black people. Who cares what their economic beliefs are.This isn't an economic issue.

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Shablagoo posted...

I didnt say it was a success; the people who lived in it find it better to the alternative of neoliberalism.

And yeah, its clear youre not able to respond to much of anything anyone has to say.

If someone responds to a post doubting communism's likelihood to succeed with links, it seems to imply they think it's a success. I'm sorry you weren't more clear.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

LOL

This is according to the sources I provided not sure what youre guffawing at.

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Squall28 posted...

If someone responds to a post doubting communism's likelihood to succeed with links, it seems to imply they think it's a success. I'm sorry you weren't more clear.

Im sorry you lack the ability to respond to 90% of my original post.

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Conservatives using red scare to fight against equality. Same shit different day.



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Shablagoo posted...

Im sorry you lack the ability to respond to 90% of my original post.

90% of your original post assumed communism worked.

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To be a Marxist just means that you view history through the lens of class conflict and economic power; see the dialectic below:

Marxists believe that these conflicts describe (Western) history very well.

For an example of a Marxist perspective, they see the Vietnam War not as the US """"""defending itself""""" from an impoverished colony that just won its independence that would have absolutely no reason to go to war with one of the two superpowers that effectively ran the world (which is a stretch and a half even if you're not a Marxist), but as the US attempting to gain access to Vietnamese resources, namely its rubber trees, as rubber is needed to make car tires, among other things. The war in Afghanistan is not seen as an effort to stabilize the country (after the US achieved its stated goal of killing bin Laden a whole 9 years ago), but to gain access to its trillions of dollars of mineral wealth. The current hate boner the US has for Venezuela is not seen as the US trying to liberate its people from an oppressive dictator (by enacting an embargo on medicine and other essential supplies that only hurt the people they claim to want to liberate), but the US trying to gain access to the largest oil reserves on the planet.

People throw around the word "marxist" like "communist" was thrown around during the Red Scare, but the word has an actual meaning and it's not as radical as it's made out to be.

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Squall28 posted...

90% of your original post assumed communism worked.

From where do you draw this conclusion? I simply described some of Marxist theory and pointed out a real-world example of incredible innovation being achieved without a profit motive. And dispelled your idea that governments never run anything well. And pointed out that Marxism isnt about the government running everything which you seem to believe for some reason. Btw, the patents for insulin and the Polio vaccine were also given away for free by their creators.


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Garioshi posted...

Marxists believe that these conflicts describe (Western) history very well.

Unfortunately, Marx failed to foresee his great "classless society" becoming a class conflict between the state apparatus and everyone else.

Shablagoo posted...

From where do you draw this conclusion? I simply described some of Marxist theory and pointed out a real-world example of incredible innovation being achieved without a profit motive. And dispelled your idea that governments never run anything well. And pointed out that Marxism isnt about the government running everything which you seem to believe for some reason. Btw, the patents for insulin and the Polio vaccine were also given away for free by their creators.

Being given the choice to give stuff away is different from being forced.

How do you propose things get implemented if not by government control , and what are the policies you want implemented?

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Didnt realize Shabla was a tankie lol

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Unfortunately, Marx failed to foresee his great "classless society" becoming a class conflict between the state apparatus and everyone else.

Eh, right now it's a conflict between corporations (and the people who run them) that have bought the people who run the state and everyone else.

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Imagine being a literal Marxist in 2020 lmfao

this time!

The worst part about debating Marxism is having to listen to all the unemployed useless people try and justify their own failings by blaming something other than their own lack of talent or grit

Romes187 posted...

Imagine being a literal Marxist in 2020 lmfao

Garioshi posted...

Eh, right now it's a conflict between corporations (and the people who run them) that have bought the people who run the state and everyone else.

So...the state apparatus?

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Romes187 posted...

The worst part about debating Marxism is having to listen to all the unemployed useless people try and justify their own failings by blaming something other than their own lack of talent or grit

I'm also lazy af while they'll go scour the depths of the internet for evidence. I'm sure you can dig up something for anything these days.

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Godnorgosh posted...

TC, have you heard of Huey Newton? Fred Hampton? Angela Davis? bell hooks?

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Godnorgosh posted...

TC, have you heard of Huey Newton? Fred Hampton? Angela Davis? bell hooks?

Since it's being asked, honestly I haven't. You made a fine point sir.

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It's not just BLM, socialist have been trying to co-opt other movements in hopes that their shitty policies gain popularity by associating with more popular issues. Remember the sunrise movement?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Remember the sunrise movement?

Remember the Green New Deal?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Remember the Green New Deal?

Sure do!