Current Events > Are Marxists just using black people in the BLM movement?

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Sure is a lot of all-or-nothing here. Organized labor and fighting for an eight-hour work day were both Marxist concepts that integrated into a capitalist economy. Can always just view it as arguing from a position of strength to force a compromise, I suppose.

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More like back people are using BLM for their Marxist movement.

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My new favorite thing is watching Broseph immediately conflate Marxist ideology with socialist economic policy and then go on a tear to defend neoliberal austerity

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Romes187 posted...

The worst part about debating Marxism is having to listen to all the unemployed useless people try and justify their own failings by blaming something other than their own lack of talent or grit

Let's not act like you're not starting behind the 8 ball in America if you're born into a poor or even middle-class household. The public education system has been gutted, especially compared to private schools, with a huge lack of funding, larger class sizes, being ill-equipped to accommodate for both those who need help and the exceptional, underpaid and overworked teachers, and crumbling infrastructure.

My elementary, middle, and high schools all tested positive for having dangerous amounts of lead in their water fountains, and the newest of the three (my middle school) was built in 1974, with the others being built in the early 60's, my mom (who works at an elementary school) only got a pay raise because the school stopped paying into her retirement for her and now she needs to do it herself. I was considered "gifted" and so I got into a magnet elementary school, but it was so hostile to my ADHD and sickliness that I was forced to return to my old elementary school. You have to pay for your gym uniform in middle and high school and you have to pay up front if you're going to take certain classes. My high school did not offer AP Physics C, which would have allowed me to get my physics degree a semester early and save about $15K in the process, because the only physics teacher there was too busy teaching 3 different classes already. Students in the same school system had to drive themselves over to my school to take AP Physics 2. AP exams, which can potentially save upwards of 90% of what you would pay for an equivalent class in college, still cost nearly $100 a pop. The very existence of AP classes didn't come out of concern for students not being challenged enough by the curriculum material, it came out of the American government being scared shitless by Sputnik. I haven't even scratched the surface of just the issues I've personally had to deal with, and this is in a school district that is considered to be one of the better ones in the country, but at least you don't have to pay for this school system that fails miserably at educating the people its very purpose is to educate.

College, on the other hand, has been completely ruined by the profit motive. You need at least a bachelor's degree for most well-paying jobs that don't destroy your body in the long term. Despite operating costs being down due to the school being closed due to Corona, my college tuition has gone up for the fall semester and I'll likely be facing around $50k of student loan debt despite my parents saving since the day I was born, choosing an in-state college, and doing my damndest to finish early. Textbooks alone have gone up in price at nearly 3 times the rate of inflation, include one-time-use online homework codes with new textbooks so you have to buy them new for some classes, textbook companies will make university-specific versions of their textbook so you can't get a used one, textbook companies also sometimes make paperback-only versions with course worksheets inside them so that they can't be resold, and they reorder the chapters and homework problems in their textbooks that contain the same information so that old versions can't be used for assigned homework. That's not even considering the fact that the increasing cost of college outpaces inflation nearly 5 times over, so someone who doesn't have the advantages I have can look forward to an ante of over $100K of student loan debt just to play the game of the American job market. Once you get out of college, you can look forward to astronomical rent that will continue to increase despite your wages staying the same on top of a whole load of other things I can't even list in this post that continue to drag you down no matter how hard you try.

It takes an amount of "talent" and "grit" that most people can't muster, and that's if they even get a chance to. You can scream about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps from the rooftops all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that some people don't have boots or arms. There are people in this country that work full time and are still homeless. I'm not a Marxist, but it doesn't take a Marxist to see that the system is fundamentally broken and needs change.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

My new favorite thing is watching Broseph immediately conflate Marxist ideology with socialist economic policy and then go on a tear to defend neoliberal austerity

Remember when you cried about The_Donald being banned from reddit

I really don't care what you think lol

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Remember when you cried about The_Donald being banned from reddit

I really don't care what you think lol

I highly doubt this happened, and coming from a right-wing centrist whos possibly a Trumpeteer himself it means little

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ASithLord7 posted...

I highly doubt this happened

the archive is a thing bro

ASithLord7 posted...

a right-wing centrist

lol

ASithLord7 posted...

whos possibly a Trumpeteer himself

LOL

Broseph_Stalin posted...

the archive is a thing bro

Can you please share the post from the archive? I dont remember doing this.

Also this doesnt change the fact that you dont actually know what Marxism is.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Can you please share the post from the archive? I dont remember doing this.

You got called out by multiple people and fled the topic don't lie dude lmao

topic ID is 78811954

Broseph_Stalin posted...

You got called out by multiple people and fled the topic don't lie dude lmao

topic ID is 78811954

Great, can you please go ahead and share the post from topic ID 78811954 where I was crying about the_donald being shut down?

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Great, can you please go ahead and share the post from topic ID 78811954 where I was crying about the_donald being shut down?

My bad, you got mad at other people for supporting the sub being shut down. Huge difference.

https://i.imgur.com/JXmKXFA.png

I can't really screenshot you not posting but yeah, you fled the topic after that and couldn't explain why you were shitting on people for supporting reddit on that.

iPhone_7 posted...

As if they arent allowed to have their own opinions or political ideology?

Its starting to seem like that. But the push-back and rancor is not coming from whites or other minorities, but blacks themselves. I've noticed whenever a black person in the media says something anti-Democrat or anti-victim ideology, there are black posters here very quick to make a topic about it. Its as if they feel threatened by other black people having those stances.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

My bad, you got mad at other people for supporting the sub being shut down. Huge difference.

https://i.imgur.com/JXmKXFA.png

I can't really screenshot you not posting but yeah, you fled the topic after that and couldn't explain why you were shitting on people for supporting reddit on that.

Hmm. Im really not seeing it.


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No one is co-opting the BLM protests lol and thinking Marxists are tricking black people by supporting them is just lightly coded racism.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Hmm. Im really not seeing it.

You see what you want to see. You couldn't explain it then and you can't explain it now.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

You see what you want to see. You couldn't explain it then and you can't explain it now.

I think youve wasted enough of everyones time ITT. The only post youve made that is even remotely on-topic was a tirade about socialism and calling the validity of the BLM movement into question, which is highly suspect in and of itself.

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Squall28 posted...

Since it's being asked, honestly I haven't. You made a fine point sir.

Extremely famous black civil rights leaders. Its odd how you decided to speak on Marxism in relation to black people fighting for civil rights without even knowing the basic history of how the two intertwine, I believe is what people asking you the question are implying.

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Marxism as written isfounded on the ideas of racial equality, gender equality, economic equality, and decolonization. The fact that you don't seem to know or understand this tells me that you should probably shut the fuck up on the subject until you spend some time reading.

Most of the important black organizations and leaders during the civil rights movement were socialists or communists. Same with the leaders and organizations during the labor movement, you know, the ones that gave you the 40 hour work week, OT pay, the end of child labor, safety regulations (though OSHA didn't happen till the radium dial company killed a ton of women with radiation), and a ton of the other things workers take for granted now.

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I heard of this take before. It just seems like a simplistic boogeyman response to a movement, or more accurately part of a movement to some aspects you disagree with. Like that first video you linked, have opinions/demand from differing sects of people. I don't know any black leftist (I'm talking regular folks, not those media folks or people who show up on every news channels) who want to "work with white allies" and "disarm everyone".

And the Co-Founder of the BLM Organization... many people respect them for helping to create the tag but many people also dismiss her from the rest of the movement soooo lol. Also nothing is telling me exactly what is wrong with black marxists.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

You see what you want to see. You couldn't explain it then and you can't explain it now.

I personally literally cant see anything. I tried to check your screenshot out but its too blurry to read any of the posts.

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Garioshi posted...

Let's not act like you're not starting behind the 8 ball in America if you're born into a poor or even middle-class household. The public education system has been gutted, especially compared to private schools, with a huge lack of funding, larger class sizes, being ill-equipped to accommodate for both those who need help and the exceptional, underpaid and overworked teachers, and crumbling infrastructure.

My elementary, middle, and high schools all tested positive for having dangerous amounts of lead in their water fountains, and the newest of the three (my middle school) was built in 1974, with the others being built in the early 60's, my mom (who works at an elementary school) only got a pay raise because the school stopped paying into her retirement for her and now she needs to do it herself. I was considered "gifted" and so I got into a magnet elementary school, but it was so hostile to my ADHD and sickliness that I was forced to return to my old elementary school. You have to pay for your gym uniform in middle and high school and you have to pay up front if you're going to take certain classes. My high school did not offer AP Physics C, which would have allowed me to get my physics degree a semester early and save about $15K in the process, because the only physics teacher there was too busy teaching 3 different classes already. Students in the same school system had to drive themselves over to my school to take AP Physics 2. AP exams, which can potentially save upwards of 90% of what you would pay for an equivalent class in college, still cost nearly $100 a pop. The very existence of AP classes didn't come out of concern for students not being challenged enough by the curriculum material, it came out of the American government being scared shitless by Sputnik. I haven't even scratched the surface of just the issues I've personally had to deal with, and this is in a school district that is considered to be one of the better ones in the country, but at least you don't have to pay for this school system that fails miserably at educating the people its very purpose is to educate.

College, on the other hand, has been completely ruined by the profit motive. You need at least a bachelor's degree for most well-paying jobs that don't destroy your body in the long term. Despite operating costs being down due to the school being closed due to Corona, my college tuition has gone up for the fall semester and I'll likely be facing around $50k of student loan debt despite my parents saving since the day I was born, choosing an in-state college, and doing my damndest to finish early. Textbooks alone have gone up in price at nearly 3 times the rate of inflation, include one-time-use online homework codes with new textbooks so you have to buy them new for some classes, textbook companies will make university-specific versions of their textbook so you can't get a used one, textbook companies also sometimes make paperback-only versions with course worksheets inside them so that they can't be resold, and they reorder the chapters and homework problems in their textbooks that contain the same information so that old versions can't be used for assigned homework. That's not even considering the fact that the increasing cost of college outpaces inflation nearly 5 times over, so someone who doesn't have the advantages I have can look forward to an ante of over $100K of student loan debt just to play the game of the American job market. Once you get out of college, you can look forward to astronomical rent that will continue to increase despite your wages staying the same on top of a whole load of other things I can't even list in this post that continue to drag you down no matter how hard you try.

It takes an amount of "talent" and "grit" that most people can't muster, and that's if they even get a chance to. You can scream about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps from the rooftops all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that some people don't have boots or arms. There are people in this country that work full time and are still homeless. I'm not a Marxist, but it doesn't take a Marxist to see that the system is fundamentally broken and needs change.

I agree with all of this. I got out of college just in time. Students today are getting screwed with those costs. However what you're leaving out is that the U.S. is ranked #2 in terms of spend per pupil, behind Norway but is ranked

• OECD international math ranking in 2015: 36
• OECD international reading ranking in 2015: 18
• OECD international science ranking in 2015: 23

There are two issues with education in America: why isn't the amount of money being spent isn't increasing student performance, and second where is the money being generated going exactly, if not toward that first goal.
Source: https://www.insider.com/how-much-countries-around-the-world-spend-on-education-2019-8

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

I think youve wasted enough of everyones time ITT.

Must hurt to get called out on your behavior and have to do this all over again. Next time don't have a meltdown over a fucking hate sub being banned.

Shablagoo posted...

I personally literally cant see anything. I tried to check your screenshot out but its too blurry to read any of the posts.

try clicking the picture buddy.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

try clicking the picture buddy.

I did and that usually works but it didnt this time for whatever reason. :/

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We've gone from "BLM is not co-opted by marxists" to "Ok, BLM is being co-opted by marxists, but Marxism is just equality and to argue against that is coded racism."

The irony of all this is that Karl Marx was a huge racist

Never change CommunistEvents.

Naw, that's stupid

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Smashingpmkns posted...

No one is co-opting the BLM protests lol and thinking Marxists are tricking black people by supporting them is just lightly coded racism.

Almost seems a stretch to call it coded if you ask me
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RustyFerret posted...

The irony of all this is that Karl Marx was a huge racist

Actually, he wasnt. And I know what you plan on bringing up but your argument can be easily debunked, so dont bother. Furthermore, it wouldnt even be ironic if he were, because people who believe in the good ideas that are presented in Marxist theory dont worship him as some idol, think he was perfect, nor do they believe he was right about everything.

RustyFerret posted...

We've gone from "BLM is not co-opted by marxists" to "Ok, BLM is being co-opted by marxists, but Marxism is just equality and to argue against that is coded racism."

Explain where exactly anyone ITT went from the first to the second.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

To assume Black people cant believe in the tenets of Marxism is some next-level brain dead racism

it was a favorite tactic of the Conservative establishment during the Civil Rights Movement no way them black folk could possible interpret and understand political complexity and their own marginalization, they had to be put up to it by white Marxists of course.

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onedarksoul posted...

I agree with all of this. I got out of college just in time. Students today are getting screwed with those costs. However what you're leaving out is that the U.S. is ranked #2 in terms of spend per pupil, behind Norway but is ranked
* OECD international math ranking in 2015: 36
* OECD international reading ranking in 2015: 18
* OECD international science ranking in 2015: 23
There are two issues with education in America: why isn't the amount of money being spent isn't increasing student performance, and second where is the money being generated going exactly, if not toward that first goal.
Source: https://www.insider.com/how-much-countries-around-the-world-spend-on-education-2019-8

Administrators are notoriously overpaid in comparison to teachers, but it can't just be one group of people responsible for the terrible outcomes we have. I'm going to bet a lot of it has to do with the school system on the whole addressing students as a monolith, going too fast for some people and too slow for others, not being engaging for the students (as schools are treated much more like daycare than actual education), paying teachers less than, while working longer hours than, the rest of the world, and archaic curriculums that don't apply nearly as much to the real world. American grade school focuses much more on rote memorization (as can be seen with bog standard multiple choice and true/false questions) than critical thinking (which would be embodied by essays and general free response questions).

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Shablagoo posted...

Actually, he wasnt. And I know what you plan on bringing up but your argument can be easily debunked, so dont bother.

Found the marxist.

Shablagoo posted...

Explain where exactly anyone ITT went from the first to the second.

There have been threads addressing it.

Lenin was a pretty good guy, we should follow his teachings.


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